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Documentary on these two on CH4 Tuesday at 10pm for anyone thats interested.
Just thought I'd mention that.
Just thought I'd mention that.
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Nice to see another manc in here, no hard feelings scouser, i have to work for one and on the first day, we had to learn the 'oven shuffle'; i believe you're familiar with it: microwave oven under one arm, video recorder under the other, 'cavern club' t-shirt, dodgy tache, shellsuit, etc. I jest of course.
On the biggie/2pac issue, though they were broadly categorised as bitter rivals, they had very different backgrounds. Biggie's upbringing was a modest one, was generally a well behaved individual, and by no means a criminal. He came from a a very loving, stable mum too.
2pac was a lot more theatrical, classically-trained dancer in fact, very encouragable, led the gangster lifestyle he rapped so earnestly about, bit messed in the head.
AS regards their music, the first thing everyone should recognise is that both were fantastic artists, admired by most of the industry and adored by fans. Any 'favourite' is entirely subjective, and comes with the caveat that no one person's opinion is any more or less valid than another's.
They both started work off on bootleg mix cds sold from carboots, and 2pac took some of that mentality through until his death, he worked at a furious pace that his producers could not keep up with, it's no surprise one his beats came from pagemaster or whatever, he had little regard for production and cared about the lyrics alone. Which is difficult to criticise given the over-production of most rap songs these days, unfortunately at the expense of the rhymes.
Biggie was a bit like that too, but obviously his puffy collabos were far more commercial, not that i don't respect puff daddy or anything, just that he's not exactly underground (which is where you'll find biggie's best work incidentally).
Biggie's first major single, 'juicy' is a great song with wicked lyrics, unfortunately it's almost entirely fabricated, not that it didn't still take a great lyricist in biggie to write the made-up lines.
So both artists were legends, don't even start any dmx/ja rule rubbish, they're both commercial artists (not that there's anything wrong with that, just that they aren't really very credible). If there's any beef, it's probably been engineered in the penthouse boardroom of a Manhattan skyscraper between DMX, Ja Rule and Russell Simmons, the Def Jam CEO (oh, and employer to both rappers, kinda ruling out any beef whatsoever).
*changing my name to Fountain_Of_Knowledge*
On the biggie/2pac issue, though they were broadly categorised as bitter rivals, they had very different backgrounds. Biggie's upbringing was a modest one, was generally a well behaved individual, and by no means a criminal. He came from a a very loving, stable mum too.
2pac was a lot more theatrical, classically-trained dancer in fact, very encouragable, led the gangster lifestyle he rapped so earnestly about, bit messed in the head.
AS regards their music, the first thing everyone should recognise is that both were fantastic artists, admired by most of the industry and adored by fans. Any 'favourite' is entirely subjective, and comes with the caveat that no one person's opinion is any more or less valid than another's.
They both started work off on bootleg mix cds sold from carboots, and 2pac took some of that mentality through until his death, he worked at a furious pace that his producers could not keep up with, it's no surprise one his beats came from pagemaster or whatever, he had little regard for production and cared about the lyrics alone. Which is difficult to criticise given the over-production of most rap songs these days, unfortunately at the expense of the rhymes.
Biggie was a bit like that too, but obviously his puffy collabos were far more commercial, not that i don't respect puff daddy or anything, just that he's not exactly underground (which is where you'll find biggie's best work incidentally).
Biggie's first major single, 'juicy' is a great song with wicked lyrics, unfortunately it's almost entirely fabricated, not that it didn't still take a great lyricist in biggie to write the made-up lines.
So both artists were legends, don't even start any dmx/ja rule rubbish, they're both commercial artists (not that there's anything wrong with that, just that they aren't really very credible). If there's any beef, it's probably been engineered in the penthouse boardroom of a Manhattan skyscraper between DMX, Ja Rule and Russell Simmons, the Def Jam CEO (oh, and employer to both rappers, kinda ruling out any beef whatsoever).
*changing my name to Fountain_Of_Knowledge*
Tiltawhirl wrote:
> Scouse Tw@t wrote:
> "I got blood on my d**k and there's no remorse, I got blood on my
> dick cause I f***ed a corpse"
Heh that songs in CKY3...
> Scouse Tw@t wrote:
> "I got blood on my d**k and there's no remorse, I got blood on my
> dick cause I f***ed a corpse"
Heh that songs in CKY3...
Ashley wrote:
> As i have the best taste i must assure you that tupac was far better.
> His stuff had a bit of meaning and was better put together
Er...that's put me, erm, fears to rest? ;) I did sorta say this already, but say what you have to, it all makes sense anyways ;)
> As i have the best taste i must assure you that tupac was far better.
> His stuff had a bit of meaning and was better put together
Er...that's put me, erm, fears to rest? ;) I did sorta say this already, but say what you have to, it all makes sense anyways ;)
man if what they say is true about Biggie being involved in Pac's death then the whole s**t with the west and east coast could kick off again. This could signal the start of a very violent era in rap music......... ah well least it's better than reading about puffs like Gareth Gates and Will Young singing about the birds and flowers and love and all that crap.
As i have the best taste i must assure you that tupac was far better. His stuff had a bit of meaning and was better put together
What's good about those lyrics? They're the type of lyrics what Eminem would try. And he's just looking for the attention when he says all that crap.
Biggie had a better voice, more hardcore beats and to top it all he was fat.
"Biggie Smalls is the wickedest N****s say I'm pu**y, I dare ya to stick ya dick in this, if I was pu**y i'd be filled with sipholous, herpees, gonareah, climidia"
You can't get better lyrics than Biggy's. Well you can but they certainly are better than most of Tupacs.
"Biggie Smalls is the wickedest N****s say I'm pu**y, I dare ya to stick ya dick in this, if I was pu**y i'd be filled with sipholous, herpees, gonareah, climidia"
You can't get better lyrics than Biggy's. Well you can but they certainly are better than most of Tupacs.
Biggie rapped about stuff that hadn't happened. Tu-Pac, when he did it, he was talking for real. He went through it all, getting shot, up for a crime he didn't commit, and going to prison for quite a while. He still came back as strong as ever though, and wrote some of his most meaningful stuff then.
Scouse Tw@t wrote:
DMX deserve the respect they've got.
They? DMX is one dude.
> And Biggie better than Tu-Pac? What the f~~k are you spouting there?
Yes much better, have you heard any of his more undergroung stuff?
Not the crap he's done with Poof Daddy and the bum bandits, listen to Biggy freestyling over some proper beats, he da funking Daddy of Hip Hop.
Tupac's early stuff like Tupacalypse etc etc was good but then he went all girly and crap. Hell he had a tune that had the music from Pagemaster in the back ground, pathetic.
"I got blood on my d**k and there's no remorse, I got blood on my dick cause I f***ed a corpse"
DMX deserve the respect they've got.
They? DMX is one dude.
> And Biggie better than Tu-Pac? What the f~~k are you spouting there?
Yes much better, have you heard any of his more undergroung stuff?
Not the crap he's done with Poof Daddy and the bum bandits, listen to Biggy freestyling over some proper beats, he da funking Daddy of Hip Hop.
Tupac's early stuff like Tupacalypse etc etc was good but then he went all girly and crap. Hell he had a tune that had the music from Pagemaster in the back ground, pathetic.
"I got blood on my d**k and there's no remorse, I got blood on my dick cause I f***ed a corpse"
Did you type that in an attemt to get me to disagree?
Anyway, I erm...totally agree with that. Ja-Rule is at the bottom of the lengend-ladder, DMX deserve the respect they've got.
And Biggie better than Tu-Pac? What the f~~k are you spouting there?
Anyway, I erm...totally agree with that. Ja-Rule is at the bottom of the lengend-ladder, DMX deserve the respect they've got.
And Biggie better than Tu-Pac? What the f~~k are you spouting there?
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