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Yes, it's a highly original topic isn't it, but seeing as in the past I've been the one blasting about every religion going I thought I'd tell everyone about this, not that many people, or even a few, are going to be bothered, but anyways.....
I've always found it hard to believe in any religion. Christianity, Buddhism, heck even that Wicca stuff. I was the kind of person who sat there when a disaster happened on TV and thought "where's God now eh ?" In short I found it hard to believe in anything like religion and subscribed to the theory that religion was just one of the many ways of contorlling people in how they think. During my X Files fascination I even found it plausible that religion was somehow created by ET's. Even on 9/11, seeing people on TV talk about God and their religion, I found it hard to believe there was anything to believe in.
Throughout history, religion has been the cause of so much war and killings; The Crusades, the Witch Hunts, The Inquisition, The Middle East, even WW2 to a degree, and today's War against Terrorism boils down to one side believing in a form of religion to justify themselves.
Last week I bought a DVD (hang on here, I'll swing this back to my point in a moment), The West Wing Season 1 boxset 2. In one Episode The President (Martin Sheen) has to decide whether to pardon a man on death row. He calls a priest to him as the execution time draws near. As the clock ticks down the last minute he talks to the priest and says his staff have spent the day trying to convince him to pardon this guy, but he hasn't. He tells the priest he's prayed to God for help, but nothings come, so he hasn't pardoned the man (who has now been executed). The Priest then tells him a sotry, and makes it clear that God did send him help - his staff and the priest himself, who tried to save this man's life.
Now to me, this seemed to just make religion and belief so clear. WE're not going to see some massive intervention by any God, because we ourselvescan do things just as well.
Its hard to explain, and sounds stupid I know, you won't see me in a church anytime soon, but I think I believe a little, and thats enough eh ?
Thanks for reading this far,
~~Belldandy~~
I've always found it hard to believe in any religion. Christianity, Buddhism, heck even that Wicca stuff. I was the kind of person who sat there when a disaster happened on TV and thought "where's God now eh ?" In short I found it hard to believe in anything like religion and subscribed to the theory that religion was just one of the many ways of contorlling people in how they think. During my X Files fascination I even found it plausible that religion was somehow created by ET's. Even on 9/11, seeing people on TV talk about God and their religion, I found it hard to believe there was anything to believe in.
Throughout history, religion has been the cause of so much war and killings; The Crusades, the Witch Hunts, The Inquisition, The Middle East, even WW2 to a degree, and today's War against Terrorism boils down to one side believing in a form of religion to justify themselves.
Last week I bought a DVD (hang on here, I'll swing this back to my point in a moment), The West Wing Season 1 boxset 2. In one Episode The President (Martin Sheen) has to decide whether to pardon a man on death row. He calls a priest to him as the execution time draws near. As the clock ticks down the last minute he talks to the priest and says his staff have spent the day trying to convince him to pardon this guy, but he hasn't. He tells the priest he's prayed to God for help, but nothings come, so he hasn't pardoned the man (who has now been executed). The Priest then tells him a sotry, and makes it clear that God did send him help - his staff and the priest himself, who tried to save this man's life.
Now to me, this seemed to just make religion and belief so clear. WE're not going to see some massive intervention by any God, because we ourselvescan do things just as well.
Its hard to explain, and sounds stupid I know, you won't see me in a church anytime soon, but I think I believe a little, and thats enough eh ?
Thanks for reading this far,
~~Belldandy~~
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I believe that anyone can believe in what they like. The biggest principle in the the world is freedom. That is what makes countries like ours great. I can live in a street where my neighboors can believe what they like. I may not go to there place of worship but I can still say hello and have a drink with them. Religions should not be taken so seriously. I know a lot of people who are comforted by there beliefs. This is good. If something can help you the use it. But these people do not try to force there views, do not try to lauch terrorist attacks on anyone who disagrees. Maybee there is a God. If so then he must want everyone to get along. Maybee he spoke to a lot of people in the old days and gave them a rule of ethics. It is wrong to hurt people. This rule covers most things. Stealing from someone hurts them, murdering them hurts them (obviously) and there family/friends, insulting them hurts there feelings. The problem was all the different groups of people wrote this down differently and then argued over who was right.
If only everyone could concentrate more on sorting our world out and less on stupid arguments, we could have a better world. But thats never gonna happen, well at least not in my lifetime.
If only everyone could concentrate more on sorting our world out and less on stupid arguments, we could have a better world. But thats never gonna happen, well at least not in my lifetime.
Snuggly moves in mysterious ways.
The two posts by me at 2.03 and 2.05 where both posted after goatboys post at 2.08.
ie. ROFL should have followed Button it God Boy etc...
Very strange !
ie. ROFL should have followed Button it God Boy etc...
Very strange !
Button it God-Boy!
There, couldn't have a decent, agreeable discussion on religion could we?
There, couldn't have a decent, agreeable discussion on religion could we?
Crikeys - Poor old Sunggly is going to have a cardiac now - people agreeing in Life, being nice to each other and not arguing !
What is it all coming to ?
What is it all coming to ?
Weird - SR must have just changed their clock - post's have gone out of sync
Rofl :)
That's exactly my point Flanders.
What a person believes is right for them is just that, correct *for them* and it is not my place to tell them otherwise.
For the simple fact I do not like it when others try that with me.
By all means talk at length about your beliefs, if I don't agree then I have the option to discuss.
And that's where 90% of religious AND non-religious people fail.
A discussion is two people saying "I do not agree with your viewpoint, however I am willing to listen to you and try to understand".
A refusal to entertain the notions of others is fundamentalist. Doesn't have to be religion to be fundamentalist. Just an absolute refusal to consider anyone else's ideas about a subject.
I may not personally place faith in a Christian idealology, but I make sure I listen and take in as much info as I can.
Which is why I equally entertain other religions, because I just don't know for a fact whether god exists or not.
That's called having faith - to believe because you do. So it's not that I do not believe in God, it's that I do not have faith in a god.
I could be wrong.
But so could you, or a Sikh, or Muslim or any other denomination.
But if we would all just let each other live in our own ways, as long as it does not harm anyone else, then we'd all experience something approaching heaven - whatever your definition is.
Just think of it. No wars over religion, no bigotry, nobody knocking on your door trying to sell you Watchtower, nobody persecuting you because you are Christian/Jewish/Whatever.
But hey, that's just me and what do I know?
What a person believes is right for them is just that, correct *for them* and it is not my place to tell them otherwise.
For the simple fact I do not like it when others try that with me.
By all means talk at length about your beliefs, if I don't agree then I have the option to discuss.
And that's where 90% of religious AND non-religious people fail.
A discussion is two people saying "I do not agree with your viewpoint, however I am willing to listen to you and try to understand".
A refusal to entertain the notions of others is fundamentalist. Doesn't have to be religion to be fundamentalist. Just an absolute refusal to consider anyone else's ideas about a subject.
I may not personally place faith in a Christian idealology, but I make sure I listen and take in as much info as I can.
Which is why I equally entertain other religions, because I just don't know for a fact whether god exists or not.
That's called having faith - to believe because you do. So it's not that I do not believe in God, it's that I do not have faith in a god.
I could be wrong.
But so could you, or a Sikh, or Muslim or any other denomination.
But if we would all just let each other live in our own ways, as long as it does not harm anyone else, then we'd all experience something approaching heaven - whatever your definition is.
Just think of it. No wars over religion, no bigotry, nobody knocking on your door trying to sell you Watchtower, nobody persecuting you because you are Christian/Jewish/Whatever.
But hey, that's just me and what do I know?
That's one thing I like about you Goaty.
You are quite happy to argue without judging. Too many Christians judge others and to many non-believers are also too quick to judge us christians.
If I want to slip on my sandals and sing kum-by-yah then let me - as long as I am not trying to force feed my religion to you then what's the problem ?
You know what I belive and I know what you belive - If ever you want to talk about it then I am happy to engage in conversation but I will never come on here and demand you listen to me.
You are quite happy to argue without judging. Too many Christians judge others and to many non-believers are also too quick to judge us christians.
If I want to slip on my sandals and sing kum-by-yah then let me - as long as I am not trying to force feed my religion to you then what's the problem ?
You know what I belive and I know what you belive - If ever you want to talk about it then I am happy to engage in conversation but I will never come on here and demand you listen to me.
Goatboy wrote:
> I couldn't care less what people believe in if it works for them.
>
> All I ask is that I am left alone to get on with my life in the manner
> I see fit.
> And any decent religious person would do that, it's called tolerance
> and love.
>
> So if you do hassle me for not believing, then you've got it wrong and
> are going to whatever version of purgatory fits your description.
>
> Eh? Eh?
Isn't purgatory some sort of place halfway between heaven and hell where you wait while they sum up your life to see how good you have been (greek myth or something?)....dsoesn't sound too bad, maybe they would let me have my PS2 while i wait :)
Your threat therefore doesn't scare me...
prepare to be hassled....:p
> I couldn't care less what people believe in if it works for them.
>
> All I ask is that I am left alone to get on with my life in the manner
> I see fit.
> And any decent religious person would do that, it's called tolerance
> and love.
>
> So if you do hassle me for not believing, then you've got it wrong and
> are going to whatever version of purgatory fits your description.
>
> Eh? Eh?
Isn't purgatory some sort of place halfway between heaven and hell where you wait while they sum up your life to see how good you have been (greek myth or something?)....dsoesn't sound too bad, maybe they would let me have my PS2 while i wait :)
Your threat therefore doesn't scare me...
prepare to be hassled....:p
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