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If there's one thing gamers want to see in all the latest and greatest games today it's realism being fully achieved.
We want our characters like Ryo Hazuki and Mario Mario to be fully clothed in denim where you can virtually "FEEL" that jean-like texture, while the long hair of hair of all those women really does look so shiny and life-like that you could almost feel it on the screen. A lot better than those cat-like things Mario and co. have on their heads today anyway!
We want to see the places we know and love that we have seen for ourselves with our own two eyes (or with just one in some cases). The Pyramids of Egypt made-to-scale as the newest RPG star dashes through the shoe-filling sand, the Mississippi River in it's full size and scale (and with the correct spelling!)
We want a lot from the games we buy, perhaps way too much?
When you look at the short list above and think of what you would personally like to see in terms of Photo-Reapistic graphics and other Realism issues, you'll see that even at today's level of technology, you're asking a hell-of-a-lot from the top development teams of all-around the globe!
To tell you the truth, I don't see what's so great about realistic games anyway. We have been turning to games for decades now as an alternative solution for entertainment to the boredom we find in life itself.
It offers us something different.
Surely if the Games Market was flooded with super-realistic games then we'd soon get bored and tire of them was too easily.
Just think of how many times you find yourself in 'the land of boredom 'during the average year.... Would you really like the idea of picking up an RPG only to experience déjá-vu in the one place where you could escape from it all?? The Gaming World could collapse faster than Conker after a big night out!
Let's be proud of all the fantasy game we have have. They offer us something totally different to what we know, we cannot predict what will happen next. Some of the greatest games of all-time have come straight from the imaginitive minds of Miyamoto, Naka, Suzuki and co. - setting the 'bench marks' in Gaming as we know it.
Role Playing Games are one of the most-popular gaming genres to date.
Thanks to the 'Fantasy' envolved in the likes of The Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy, these 2 series' alone have become HUGE!
Little Big Adventure, Grandia, Skies of Arcadia... these are some other, shorter, series' that spring to my mind.
If these games were set in the real world today, with human-like characters rather than the elves and quetches we all know, they would've surely ended long ago by now.
Shenmue may be set in the real world of Japan and the Middle East, but with a bit of Ancient Japanese Fantasy and the like inside, it has remained a hit and the third could be just as great - if not better!
Platform Adventures are certainly one genre of games that could not have survived even once without that dominant touch of imagination we've seen over the years.
The Mario brother may be humans, but since when do you see fire-breathing dragons taking Princess' hostage, little Toads running around and crying, and DINOSAURS!???
Banjo the Bear and Kazooie the Bird have worked very well together in a world where everything around you comes to life and talks - just like in Conker's Bad Fur Day too. Surely in the real world the big, dumb bear would rip the little birdy out of the backpack, and swallow it whole!? And how could a bear play a banjo anyway??
Sonic may be fading away, but he was still great while he was around. But since when have hedgehogs had the abillity to race-around at top-speeds, while using their spin-attacks to fend-off the world's most-intellegent Scientists to save their own local land. Surely he'd just go SPLAT like the rest in the real world!
It's the great games of the past like these; the Mario 64s, the Banjo Kazooies, the Ocarina of Times, and the Final Fantasys that have proved to us all that Games come best when reality is kept well-away.
Zelda: Ocarina of Time has been regarded as possibly the greatest game ever - let alone the world's no.1 RPG! The same applied to Mario 64 and Mario World in the Platform genre, and it looks set to happen again with both Mario Sunshine and Blink: The Timesweeper on the way.
Look at how Mario Kart on the SNES really gave racing games a boost.
Or how XIII could change the way we think about First Person Shooters.
The mind is a powerfull thing when it comes to gaming.
Let's not overcrowd it with what we already know and have seen.
We want our characters like Ryo Hazuki and Mario Mario to be fully clothed in denim where you can virtually "FEEL" that jean-like texture, while the long hair of hair of all those women really does look so shiny and life-like that you could almost feel it on the screen. A lot better than those cat-like things Mario and co. have on their heads today anyway!
We want to see the places we know and love that we have seen for ourselves with our own two eyes (or with just one in some cases). The Pyramids of Egypt made-to-scale as the newest RPG star dashes through the shoe-filling sand, the Mississippi River in it's full size and scale (and with the correct spelling!)
We want a lot from the games we buy, perhaps way too much?
When you look at the short list above and think of what you would personally like to see in terms of Photo-Reapistic graphics and other Realism issues, you'll see that even at today's level of technology, you're asking a hell-of-a-lot from the top development teams of all-around the globe!
To tell you the truth, I don't see what's so great about realistic games anyway. We have been turning to games for decades now as an alternative solution for entertainment to the boredom we find in life itself.
It offers us something different.
Surely if the Games Market was flooded with super-realistic games then we'd soon get bored and tire of them was too easily.
Just think of how many times you find yourself in 'the land of boredom 'during the average year.... Would you really like the idea of picking up an RPG only to experience déjá-vu in the one place where you could escape from it all?? The Gaming World could collapse faster than Conker after a big night out!
Let's be proud of all the fantasy game we have have. They offer us something totally different to what we know, we cannot predict what will happen next. Some of the greatest games of all-time have come straight from the imaginitive minds of Miyamoto, Naka, Suzuki and co. - setting the 'bench marks' in Gaming as we know it.
Role Playing Games are one of the most-popular gaming genres to date.
Thanks to the 'Fantasy' envolved in the likes of The Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy, these 2 series' alone have become HUGE!
Little Big Adventure, Grandia, Skies of Arcadia... these are some other, shorter, series' that spring to my mind.
If these games were set in the real world today, with human-like characters rather than the elves and quetches we all know, they would've surely ended long ago by now.
Shenmue may be set in the real world of Japan and the Middle East, but with a bit of Ancient Japanese Fantasy and the like inside, it has remained a hit and the third could be just as great - if not better!
Platform Adventures are certainly one genre of games that could not have survived even once without that dominant touch of imagination we've seen over the years.
The Mario brother may be humans, but since when do you see fire-breathing dragons taking Princess' hostage, little Toads running around and crying, and DINOSAURS!???
Banjo the Bear and Kazooie the Bird have worked very well together in a world where everything around you comes to life and talks - just like in Conker's Bad Fur Day too. Surely in the real world the big, dumb bear would rip the little birdy out of the backpack, and swallow it whole!? And how could a bear play a banjo anyway??
Sonic may be fading away, but he was still great while he was around. But since when have hedgehogs had the abillity to race-around at top-speeds, while using their spin-attacks to fend-off the world's most-intellegent Scientists to save their own local land. Surely he'd just go SPLAT like the rest in the real world!
It's the great games of the past like these; the Mario 64s, the Banjo Kazooies, the Ocarina of Times, and the Final Fantasys that have proved to us all that Games come best when reality is kept well-away.
Zelda: Ocarina of Time has been regarded as possibly the greatest game ever - let alone the world's no.1 RPG! The same applied to Mario 64 and Mario World in the Platform genre, and it looks set to happen again with both Mario Sunshine and Blink: The Timesweeper on the way.
Look at how Mario Kart on the SNES really gave racing games a boost.
Or how XIII could change the way we think about First Person Shooters.
The mind is a powerfull thing when it comes to gaming.
Let's not overcrowd it with what we already know and have seen.
garbe123 wrote:
> Finding the line between realistic gameplay and un-realistic gameplay
> is very easy to discover but sometimes the explanantion behind it can
> be hard to point out.
*
Yeah, in a way, the gameplay in every game is unrealistic (with possibly a few exceptions).
I do like realistic graphics: every time I play Wreckless I'm always astounded by what I'm looking at. Yet it's always refreshing to see developers trying to come up with something new in the visual department.
I thought the movie of the FPS 'XIII' looked great. Yeah we've seen cel-shading before, but never in a FPS. Moving the graphics away from realism has given the game a certain charm - it looks stylish.
> Finding the line between realistic gameplay and un-realistic gameplay
> is very easy to discover but sometimes the explanantion behind it can
> be hard to point out.
*
Yeah, in a way, the gameplay in every game is unrealistic (with possibly a few exceptions).
I do like realistic graphics: every time I play Wreckless I'm always astounded by what I'm looking at. Yet it's always refreshing to see developers trying to come up with something new in the visual department.
I thought the movie of the FPS 'XIII' looked great. Yeah we've seen cel-shading before, but never in a FPS. Moving the graphics away from realism has given the game a certain charm - it looks stylish.
I am a big fan of realistic games, but that doesn't mean that they can't be fun to play. A good example of a great realistic game is Project Gotham Racing on the Xbox, the game doesn't contain a trace of simulation it is just 100% pure arcade fun (with very realistic graphics may I add). I dislike fantasy games ut I don't mind a bit of un-realistic gameplay now and again, Max Payne is a prime example of a realistic game that is totally unrealistic, although that may seem like a very big contradiction but it is feesable. How many men have you seen that can slow time down whilst taking on the biggest Mafia family in New York and succeeding? Yet with all the licensed guns, believable characters and the BAFTA winning story line that the game includes surely should warrant it to be classed as a realistic title, don't you agree?
Finding the line between realistic gameplay and un-realistic gameplay is very easy to discover but sometimes the explanantion behind it can be hard to point out. Max Payne is a good example but there are also many more out there, playing on Fifa games and defeating Manchester United 10-0 with Southampton is very un-realistic yet the way you achieve our goal is easily believed. Anyway that is enough of my ramblings, I just thought I would share my point of view on your topic!
Good post though and and great point of discussion!
Finding the line between realistic gameplay and un-realistic gameplay is very easy to discover but sometimes the explanantion behind it can be hard to point out. Max Payne is a good example but there are also many more out there, playing on Fifa games and defeating Manchester United 10-0 with Southampton is very un-realistic yet the way you achieve our goal is easily believed. Anyway that is enough of my ramblings, I just thought I would share my point of view on your topic!
Good post though and and great point of discussion!
I prefer fantasy graphics and gameplay to out-and-out realism, but I do think that fantasy graphics are nearly always just as predictable as realistic graphics.
I think it would be refreshing to see a fantasy game (like a massive RPG) with a fantastically original graphical style and setting.
I think it would be refreshing to see a fantasy game (like a massive RPG) with a fantastically original graphical style and setting.
If there's one thing gamers want to see in all the latest and greatest games today it's realism being fully achieved.
We want our characters like Ryo Hazuki and Mario Mario to be fully clothed in denim where you can virtually "FEEL" that jean-like texture, while the long hair of hair of all those women really does look so shiny and life-like that you could almost feel it on the screen. A lot better than those cat-like things Mario and co. have on their heads today anyway!
We want to see the places we know and love that we have seen for ourselves with our own two eyes (or with just one in some cases). The Pyramids of Egypt made-to-scale as the newest RPG star dashes through the shoe-filling sand, the Mississippi River in it's full size and scale (and with the correct spelling!)
We want a lot from the games we buy, perhaps way too much?
When you look at the short list above and think of what you would personally like to see in terms of Photo-Reapistic graphics and other Realism issues, you'll see that even at today's level of technology, you're asking a hell-of-a-lot from the top development teams of all-around the globe!
To tell you the truth, I don't see what's so great about realistic games anyway. We have been turning to games for decades now as an alternative solution for entertainment to the boredom we find in life itself.
It offers us something different.
Surely if the Games Market was flooded with super-realistic games then we'd soon get bored and tire of them was too easily.
Just think of how many times you find yourself in 'the land of boredom 'during the average year.... Would you really like the idea of picking up an RPG only to experience déjá-vu in the one place where you could escape from it all?? The Gaming World could collapse faster than Conker after a big night out!
Let's be proud of all the fantasy game we have have. They offer us something totally different to what we know, we cannot predict what will happen next. Some of the greatest games of all-time have come straight from the imaginitive minds of Miyamoto, Naka, Suzuki and co. - setting the 'bench marks' in Gaming as we know it.
Role Playing Games are one of the most-popular gaming genres to date.
Thanks to the 'Fantasy' envolved in the likes of The Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy, these 2 series' alone have become HUGE!
Little Big Adventure, Grandia, Skies of Arcadia... these are some other, shorter, series' that spring to my mind.
If these games were set in the real world today, with human-like characters rather than the elves and quetches we all know, they would've surely ended long ago by now.
Shenmue may be set in the real world of Japan and the Middle East, but with a bit of Ancient Japanese Fantasy and the like inside, it has remained a hit and the third could be just as great - if not better!
Platform Adventures are certainly one genre of games that could not have survived even once without that dominant touch of imagination we've seen over the years.
The Mario brother may be humans, but since when do you see fire-breathing dragons taking Princess' hostage, little Toads running around and crying, and DINOSAURS!???
Banjo the Bear and Kazooie the Bird have worked very well together in a world where everything around you comes to life and talks - just like in Conker's Bad Fur Day too. Surely in the real world the big, dumb bear would rip the little birdy out of the backpack, and swallow it whole!? And how could a bear play a banjo anyway??
Sonic may be fading away, but he was still great while he was around. But since when have hedgehogs had the abillity to race-around at top-speeds, while using their spin-attacks to fend-off the world's most-intellegent Scientists to save their own local land. Surely he'd just go SPLAT like the rest in the real world!
It's the great games of the past like these; the Mario 64s, the Banjo Kazooies, the Ocarina of Times, and the Final Fantasys that have proved to us all that Games come best when reality is kept well-away.
Zelda: Ocarina of Time has been regarded as possibly the greatest game ever - let alone the world's no.1 RPG! The same applied to Mario 64 and Mario World in the Platform genre, and it looks set to happen again with both Mario Sunshine and Blink: The Timesweeper on the way.
Look at how Mario Kart on the SNES really gave racing games a boost.
Or how XIII could change the way we think about First Person Shooters.
The mind is a powerfull thing when it comes to gaming.
Let's not overcrowd it with what we already know and have seen.
We want our characters like Ryo Hazuki and Mario Mario to be fully clothed in denim where you can virtually "FEEL" that jean-like texture, while the long hair of hair of all those women really does look so shiny and life-like that you could almost feel it on the screen. A lot better than those cat-like things Mario and co. have on their heads today anyway!
We want to see the places we know and love that we have seen for ourselves with our own two eyes (or with just one in some cases). The Pyramids of Egypt made-to-scale as the newest RPG star dashes through the shoe-filling sand, the Mississippi River in it's full size and scale (and with the correct spelling!)
We want a lot from the games we buy, perhaps way too much?
When you look at the short list above and think of what you would personally like to see in terms of Photo-Reapistic graphics and other Realism issues, you'll see that even at today's level of technology, you're asking a hell-of-a-lot from the top development teams of all-around the globe!
To tell you the truth, I don't see what's so great about realistic games anyway. We have been turning to games for decades now as an alternative solution for entertainment to the boredom we find in life itself.
It offers us something different.
Surely if the Games Market was flooded with super-realistic games then we'd soon get bored and tire of them was too easily.
Just think of how many times you find yourself in 'the land of boredom 'during the average year.... Would you really like the idea of picking up an RPG only to experience déjá-vu in the one place where you could escape from it all?? The Gaming World could collapse faster than Conker after a big night out!
Let's be proud of all the fantasy game we have have. They offer us something totally different to what we know, we cannot predict what will happen next. Some of the greatest games of all-time have come straight from the imaginitive minds of Miyamoto, Naka, Suzuki and co. - setting the 'bench marks' in Gaming as we know it.
Role Playing Games are one of the most-popular gaming genres to date.
Thanks to the 'Fantasy' envolved in the likes of The Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy, these 2 series' alone have become HUGE!
Little Big Adventure, Grandia, Skies of Arcadia... these are some other, shorter, series' that spring to my mind.
If these games were set in the real world today, with human-like characters rather than the elves and quetches we all know, they would've surely ended long ago by now.
Shenmue may be set in the real world of Japan and the Middle East, but with a bit of Ancient Japanese Fantasy and the like inside, it has remained a hit and the third could be just as great - if not better!
Platform Adventures are certainly one genre of games that could not have survived even once without that dominant touch of imagination we've seen over the years.
The Mario brother may be humans, but since when do you see fire-breathing dragons taking Princess' hostage, little Toads running around and crying, and DINOSAURS!???
Banjo the Bear and Kazooie the Bird have worked very well together in a world where everything around you comes to life and talks - just like in Conker's Bad Fur Day too. Surely in the real world the big, dumb bear would rip the little birdy out of the backpack, and swallow it whole!? And how could a bear play a banjo anyway??
Sonic may be fading away, but he was still great while he was around. But since when have hedgehogs had the abillity to race-around at top-speeds, while using their spin-attacks to fend-off the world's most-intellegent Scientists to save their own local land. Surely he'd just go SPLAT like the rest in the real world!
It's the great games of the past like these; the Mario 64s, the Banjo Kazooies, the Ocarina of Times, and the Final Fantasys that have proved to us all that Games come best when reality is kept well-away.
Zelda: Ocarina of Time has been regarded as possibly the greatest game ever - let alone the world's no.1 RPG! The same applied to Mario 64 and Mario World in the Platform genre, and it looks set to happen again with both Mario Sunshine and Blink: The Timesweeper on the way.
Look at how Mario Kart on the SNES really gave racing games a boost.
Or how XIII could change the way we think about First Person Shooters.
The mind is a powerfull thing when it comes to gaming.
Let's not overcrowd it with what we already know and have seen.