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Just saw a news article on poeple, not content with having their own pastie, trying to get Cornish recognised as a real language.
Why? They said that as the world was becoming more unified, it was nice to have something 'exclusive' that made them different.
Ignoring for now the practical issues such as the waste of already tight resources if they get their way on issues such as forcing schools in the area to teach the language to children, this still seems a ridiculous little exercise to me.
Lets look at their reasoning: they feel regional identity is converging with everywhere else, so they make up their own special language.
Do these people seem to attach their own identity to that of their region? Or do they actually care that the region itself seems to be losing its character?
From my experiences since moving to wales, where i think things are pretty similar, they probably do very strongly attach (or align) their personalities and even emotions to the stereotype of their country.
Just last week there was a whole tv program about elvis being welsh, apparently because one of his great grandfathers was born (or had once considered going on holiday) there. Why? Because if someone welsh did something good, everyone got to celebrate how great wales, and consequently themselves, were.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not just trying to have a go at wales and cornwall. Not everyone is like that, just a significant number of the people you meet.
And of course, england too has its overpatriotics people causing problems (national front, for one). It just seems more widespread and taken to a greater extent in other situations.
I just fail to see *why* these people seem to have picked up the attitude that cornwal being like other parts of the country means their own personalities more bland and unattractive. And why do they think speaking a different language will make them 'better' people.
Another point that seems blindingly obvious to me, which the cornish seem to have missed (and which distinguishes themselves from wales, where people have grown up speaking the language in a natural progression from times when it was everyone's first language) - the whole thing is a cliqué. It's about their special exclusive group which cuts off all the outsiders, because they don't even get to understand what people are saying.
To me, thie whole exercise is nothing more than a special club, the likes of which primary school children may make up in the playground.
And you know what, the government will waste our money on it, because they're too very pc not to. Because labour has no backbone.
Why? They said that as the world was becoming more unified, it was nice to have something 'exclusive' that made them different.
Ignoring for now the practical issues such as the waste of already tight resources if they get their way on issues such as forcing schools in the area to teach the language to children, this still seems a ridiculous little exercise to me.
Lets look at their reasoning: they feel regional identity is converging with everywhere else, so they make up their own special language.
Do these people seem to attach their own identity to that of their region? Or do they actually care that the region itself seems to be losing its character?
From my experiences since moving to wales, where i think things are pretty similar, they probably do very strongly attach (or align) their personalities and even emotions to the stereotype of their country.
Just last week there was a whole tv program about elvis being welsh, apparently because one of his great grandfathers was born (or had once considered going on holiday) there. Why? Because if someone welsh did something good, everyone got to celebrate how great wales, and consequently themselves, were.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not just trying to have a go at wales and cornwall. Not everyone is like that, just a significant number of the people you meet.
And of course, england too has its overpatriotics people causing problems (national front, for one). It just seems more widespread and taken to a greater extent in other situations.
I just fail to see *why* these people seem to have picked up the attitude that cornwal being like other parts of the country means their own personalities more bland and unattractive. And why do they think speaking a different language will make them 'better' people.
Another point that seems blindingly obvious to me, which the cornish seem to have missed (and which distinguishes themselves from wales, where people have grown up speaking the language in a natural progression from times when it was everyone's first language) - the whole thing is a cliqué. It's about their special exclusive group which cuts off all the outsiders, because they don't even get to understand what people are saying.
To me, thie whole exercise is nothing more than a special club, the likes of which primary school children may make up in the playground.
And you know what, the government will waste our money on it, because they're too very pc not to. Because labour has no backbone.
<- Pappa Lazarou -> wrote:
> hey belldandy, why do you put your name after each message? its
> clearly stated at the top. just wonderin
Ha ! Good point there ! :) I insist on standing out :P
~~Belldandy~~
> hey belldandy, why do you put your name after each message? its
> clearly stated at the top. just wonderin
Ha ! Good point there ! :) I insist on standing out :P
~~Belldandy~~
Belldandy wrote:
> Sure, the whole area can go ahead and start speaking only Cornish, but
> your tourists won't have a clue then you'll be looking for a lot more
> from Tony Blair than recognition !
lol, a good point :^)
> Sure, the whole area can go ahead and start speaking only Cornish, but
> your tourists won't have a clue then you'll be looking for a lot more
> from Tony Blair than recognition !
lol, a good point :^)
hey belldandy, why do you put your name after each message? its clearly stated at the top. just wonderin
I don't see it happening, even under Labour :) These people have the freedom to ask for whatever they want, people will listen, a few politicians will talk about it but thats all. If it were to get to legislature stage then too many Ministers from the opposition would point out the good points you made about exisiting over stretched resources e.t.c. At the end of the day Cornwall is part of England and doesn't have anything special about it that means it should be a seperate state any more than the Midlands does. Yes, there is a Cornish Language but its all but dead, like other local dialects in England.
Sure, the whole area can go ahead and start speaking only Cornish, but your tourists won't have a clue then you'll be looking for a lot more from Tony Blair than recognition !
~~Belldandy~~
Sure, the whole area can go ahead and start speaking only Cornish, but your tourists won't have a clue then you'll be looking for a lot more from Tony Blair than recognition !
~~Belldandy~~
I'm a Cornwall lad. I tell you, it's a different country! We will take over the world. Muahhhhhhhhhaa.
Just saw a news article on poeple, not content with having their own pastie, trying to get Cornish recognised as a real language.
Why? They said that as the world was becoming more unified, it was nice to have something 'exclusive' that made them different.
Ignoring for now the practical issues such as the waste of already tight resources if they get their way on issues such as forcing schools in the area to teach the language to children, this still seems a ridiculous little exercise to me.
Lets look at their reasoning: they feel regional identity is converging with everywhere else, so they make up their own special language.
Do these people seem to attach their own identity to that of their region? Or do they actually care that the region itself seems to be losing its character?
From my experiences since moving to wales, where i think things are pretty similar, they probably do very strongly attach (or align) their personalities and even emotions to the stereotype of their country.
Just last week there was a whole tv program about elvis being welsh, apparently because one of his great grandfathers was born (or had once considered going on holiday) there. Why? Because if someone welsh did something good, everyone got to celebrate how great wales, and consequently themselves, were.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not just trying to have a go at wales and cornwall. Not everyone is like that, just a significant number of the people you meet.
And of course, england too has its overpatriotics people causing problems (national front, for one). It just seems more widespread and taken to a greater extent in other situations.
I just fail to see *why* these people seem to have picked up the attitude that cornwal being like other parts of the country means their own personalities more bland and unattractive. And why do they think speaking a different language will make them 'better' people.
Another point that seems blindingly obvious to me, which the cornish seem to have missed (and which distinguishes themselves from wales, where people have grown up speaking the language in a natural progression from times when it was everyone's first language) - the whole thing is a cliqué. It's about their special exclusive group which cuts off all the outsiders, because they don't even get to understand what people are saying.
To me, thie whole exercise is nothing more than a special club, the likes of which primary school children may make up in the playground.
And you know what, the government will waste our money on it, because they're too very pc not to. Because labour has no backbone.
Why? They said that as the world was becoming more unified, it was nice to have something 'exclusive' that made them different.
Ignoring for now the practical issues such as the waste of already tight resources if they get their way on issues such as forcing schools in the area to teach the language to children, this still seems a ridiculous little exercise to me.
Lets look at their reasoning: they feel regional identity is converging with everywhere else, so they make up their own special language.
Do these people seem to attach their own identity to that of their region? Or do they actually care that the region itself seems to be losing its character?
From my experiences since moving to wales, where i think things are pretty similar, they probably do very strongly attach (or align) their personalities and even emotions to the stereotype of their country.
Just last week there was a whole tv program about elvis being welsh, apparently because one of his great grandfathers was born (or had once considered going on holiday) there. Why? Because if someone welsh did something good, everyone got to celebrate how great wales, and consequently themselves, were.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not just trying to have a go at wales and cornwall. Not everyone is like that, just a significant number of the people you meet.
And of course, england too has its overpatriotics people causing problems (national front, for one). It just seems more widespread and taken to a greater extent in other situations.
I just fail to see *why* these people seem to have picked up the attitude that cornwal being like other parts of the country means their own personalities more bland and unattractive. And why do they think speaking a different language will make them 'better' people.
Another point that seems blindingly obvious to me, which the cornish seem to have missed (and which distinguishes themselves from wales, where people have grown up speaking the language in a natural progression from times when it was everyone's first language) - the whole thing is a cliqué. It's about their special exclusive group which cuts off all the outsiders, because they don't even get to understand what people are saying.
To me, thie whole exercise is nothing more than a special club, the likes of which primary school children may make up in the playground.
And you know what, the government will waste our money on it, because they're too very pc not to. Because labour has no backbone.