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"Is Shigsy losing his touch?"

To all Nintendo gamers, including myself, I hate to be the one to admit it, but I fear that our so-called Game creating god is losing his touch. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Mario and Zelda. I'm just worried about the future. To me, it looks like we're going downhill.

In the past, we've had remarkable creations from Shigsy. There has been Mario, Donkey Kong and Zelda, all of which have remained with Nintendo for many years. Super Mario 64 - fantastic, Zelda; Ocarina of Time - possibly the best game on Earth. But it's been a very long while since we have seen other titles as successful as these.

Not long ago, Luigi's Mansion was released. A brave step was taken to put Luigi in the spotlight and change the whole game scenario. Unfortunately, Luigi's Mansion didn't do as well as it was supposed to. Many gamers complained that it became repetetive and was ridiculously short. Apparantly you can complete it in 6 hours.

Recently, we have had Pikmin. Using a completely new concept of gaming and characters, many fans were attracted. Even though it's great, like Luigi's Mansion it's too short. You can complete it in 8 hours. the majority have found this depressing.

What's going on? Why are these games so short?

Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin do not square up to Super Mario 64 and Zelda; Ocarina of time. At least we still have Mario Sunshine and the new Zelda to look forward to. The fact that the Zelda game now looks like a paper cut-out is the least of my worries. I am just hoping that the Mario and Zelda games last longer than 8 hours.

Soz about posting it twice. my bad

Is Shigsy losing it, in a way, but the thing is he has been so rushed compared to what he is usually faced with. Shigsy usually releases a game every year or 2, but now, in about half a year, we will have Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin and Mario Sunshine. Too much for him to cope with. I think Nintendo really need Rare to pull their weight and release their usually top titles. He aint losing it, the industry is.

Is Shigsy losing it, in a way, but the thing is he has been so rushed compared to what he is usually faced with. Shigsy usually releases a game every year or 2, but now, in about half a year, we will have Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin and Mario Sunshine. Too much for him to cope with. I think Nintendo really need Rare to pull their weight and release their usualy top titles. He aint losing it, the industry is.

the thing i dont like about pikmin is that it has that stupid time limit. it would have been far better if you could explore it like in OOT, but i felt i was being rushed and i knew i wouldn't make it, so i got fed up and ditched it.

I don't really think putting OOT and Mario 64 agaist Pikmin and LM makes a fair comparison. They are totally different games, so you can't really say that the '64 ones are better, but i can kinda see where you are coming from. You could compare mario sunshine (october 8th! Yay!) and mario 64, as they are roughly the same games concept as eachother. Also, games are indeed becoming shorter, but that doesn't always mean they won't be better. For example, more shorter games (which are also greatgames) = more great games to play on, where larger games take longer to develop. So you see, by having more shorter games, it roughly equals out to not as many larger games, ya see!

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i might and admit i could be talking out of my ( )( ) but didn't he or someone at nintendo say that they were shorting the length of their games and making them in a more arcadey experience (i think this was quite a long time ago...at least a good few months -can't even remember where i just remember something being said along those lines)...of course it could have been in my dreams

Shigsy's not lost his touch, he's just "re-evaluated" his policies.

Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin were both far too short but very replayable.
I'd expect you to get about 20 or so hours out of each one atleast.
Besides, just playing Pikmin proves that Mr Miyamoto still has plenty of magic.

These games were sort of rushed out for the launch.
Nintendo's future titles will have had more time spent into them.

Zelda will be big (true to the nature of adventure games) and Mario won't be quite as big, but it'll be challenging so it should last roughly as long.

Anyway, go to Prime and read Sonic Rav's topic.
A game's size isn't quite the be all and end all of lastability.

Shigsy will never loose his touch for he is the master!

you've got some good points there.

The fact is that Nintendo were severely stung with the N64. It didn't do very well at all and this was because it had few games, at least three months apart usually. Although gamers had great fun with the machine (i did) due to its impressive library of games, they were released too scarcely.

to combat this with the GameCube, Nintendo have given some of their major franchises to second and even third parties, and are concentrating on really fun, yet short games. This way they can make them quicker and release games more frequently.

The second and third parties seem to be taking more time with their games though. And don't fret about Shigsy losing his touch - early reviews say that Mario Sunshine is absolutely fantastic, and has a MINIMUM of 25 hours play to complete the game first time.

Why don't you check out http://www.geocities.com/thestateofplay/immersion.html

for a similar article.

I don't think, and I probably never will think that Shigsy is losing his touch.

He rules.