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Mon 10/06/02 at 19:59
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Ok, this one could get pretty deep, but I've just thought of it and I'm typing it out quick while it still makes sense 'scuse and mistakes? Cheers.

Right, if some bloke wondered up to you and said "Oi! We've got this machine thing over here, and we want you to test it. Basically, you walk in one side, it copies you EXACTLY, and then you're (the "you" he's talking to now) is completely destroyed."

Would you do it?

Surely if it's an EXACT copy of you, then you won't notice anything. You'll just walk in one side of the machine, and out the other - like nothing has happened.

Or would you?

Are we more than the sum of our parts? Would something be missing from the copy? Experiences, memories etc, would they all be there? Are they stored somewhere in our brain, well they must be I guess, but would they be copied as well?

I look at it in this way:

Memories, emotions, feelings - our "soul" if you like, has to be stored somewhere. So if you were copied exactly, the copy would have all the same thoughts etc. They would be you.

But there's no bloody way I'd walk into a machine like that. You could go stick it where the sun don't shine.

Weird, eh?

(And no, I haven't been drinking :-D)
Tue 11/06/02 at 13:02
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It is like in a stargate episode, when this team had thier brains transfered from thier bodies to exact replica machines. Except that it was thier thought patturns rather than the actual brain. Wierd.

Imagine if you were just a brain in a jar, with no senses but you were conscious, you would just sit thier forever just thinking...

I heard somewhere that we only use something like 1% of our brain power most of the time, and that the human brain is the most complex thing known in existance. So what if we could all use 100%? Maybe we would have pychic powers...or maybe we would go insane because there would be to many thoughts...

:0o
Tue 11/06/02 at 12:21
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I wouldn't go in your machine because there's probably a big bloke in there waiting to hold you down and bum you. Nice try though.
Tue 11/06/02 at 10:04
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See, this is what thinking too much does to you.
Tue 11/06/02 at 09:11
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In a odd twist of coincidence, I was reading about this the night before last.

According to the book I was reading, quantum physics actually does support the idea of teleportation (but I'm not saying you're talking rubbish Turbo, s'just what I read).

However due to some bizarre quantum effect which involves not being able to copy quantum information, you have to destroy the article you're teleporting in order to extract the information in order to transmit it to the receiver and reconstruct it. Some eggheads somewhere have actually done it with a photon.

However, the problem is that if there's a problem with the transmission, or your data gets corrupted, then that's you right royally shafted.

So I wouldn't. The soul thing doesn't worry me. I'm as religious as your average ant. If it wasn't for the potential of accidental erasure of myself from existence, I'd be first in line.
Tue 11/06/02 at 07:53
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Er, I won't go in to this, but according to modern qauntum physics ideas it probably wouldn't be possible to do that. Ever.

Nut anyway, if it was, I wouldn't do it. Too much hassle. What do I gain? See myself be killed? No thanks.
Tue 11/06/02 at 07:15
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Even if someone could clone you i doubt that it would be an exact copy Humans are apes as we all know and as such the most complicated creatures on the planet (other then pan dimensonal white mice)and i would be surprised if they was other humans on other planets humonoid yes but not human
Tue 11/06/02 at 07:08
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Back when I used to watch TV, I saw a program about this. Basically it was to do with the idea of 'teleporters' used in sci fi shows.

Gah.... I would type more, but the spacebar on my keyboard is broken, and inserting spaces at random into my sentences, hence it's taking me ages to write at the mo.

That and the fact I'd feel a little werid saying "In answer to your rhetorical question..."
Mon 10/06/02 at 20:26
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No... because I'd die. Copy me exactly, and let that one live, and then kill me? No thanks, I'll stay here please. :)

But I think it's pretty much possible to do so... I dunno. Bah. Not got the eyes for this at the moment. They're all blurry and closing.
Mon 10/06/02 at 20:14
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The simple answer for me is no cause there is only one of me
Mon 10/06/02 at 19:59
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Ok, this one could get pretty deep, but I've just thought of it and I'm typing it out quick while it still makes sense 'scuse and mistakes? Cheers.

Right, if some bloke wondered up to you and said "Oi! We've got this machine thing over here, and we want you to test it. Basically, you walk in one side, it copies you EXACTLY, and then you're (the "you" he's talking to now) is completely destroyed."

Would you do it?

Surely if it's an EXACT copy of you, then you won't notice anything. You'll just walk in one side of the machine, and out the other - like nothing has happened.

Or would you?

Are we more than the sum of our parts? Would something be missing from the copy? Experiences, memories etc, would they all be there? Are they stored somewhere in our brain, well they must be I guess, but would they be copied as well?

I look at it in this way:

Memories, emotions, feelings - our "soul" if you like, has to be stored somewhere. So if you were copied exactly, the copy would have all the same thoughts etc. They would be you.

But there's no bloody way I'd walk into a machine like that. You could go stick it where the sun don't shine.

Weird, eh?

(And no, I haven't been drinking :-D)

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