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I posted this in the FOG Prime a few days ago, but since most of the people it applies to are newbies or just hang around the FOG chat, I've decided to post it here. Hopefully it'll lay rest to all this arguing around the forums, but it probably won't. Read it, then think about what you're saying. If you love the PS2 and think its better than everything else, keep your opinion to yourself and discuss *DISCUSS* whats good and whats not about your console. Pointless fighting is exactly that. Pointless...
Many gamers fall into the trap. I know how to avoid it, and its usually the casual masses that do it. The trap of negativity, where everything is wrong, brand names are right and only games with the cool image are allowed. And why are these people totally anti whats good and whatnot? Publicity. Magazines. And general lack of enthusiasm.
I bought an Xbox with the sole intention of being able to play games on it. Not for the hard drive, the broadband capabilities or, being a popular reason on its own, for Halo. I bought it to use as a gamesplaying device because that is what I like to do with my spare time. And unlike many people, my decision wasn't altered by all the negative hype.
Why oh why, pray tell me, is the Xbox a PC in a box. What makes it a PC? Is it because its graphics chip is made by NVidia? Because it isn't made by NVidia, just developed by them. And if using PC brand names makes a console a PC, then the GameCube ought to be one of these whirring great machines as well considering it has IBM processor.
It has got a hard drive. I don't consider this to be essential to heighten the gameplaying experience, yet the first company to announce a hard drive add on was Sony with the PlayStation 2. So Xbox isn't the originator of this, but it doesn't make the Xbox a PC. The PlayStation 2 is just as PC-ish.
As for internet capabilities, online is apparently the future, so no comment can be passed there. And every console, PS2 Xbox and GC will all have keyboard and mouse peripherals, so these things don't make the Xbox a PC either.
Its all the negative, pointless untrue hype which has made Xbox not a very big hit in this country, and gives all the other console lovers reason or excuse as to why this is so. And it is pure negative trash, spewed by tabloids, and anti Microsoft people. Don't fall into the trap of calling a console crap, because never can that statement be true (bar the Virtual Boy).
And whats wrong with a bit of originality. My friend called Mad Maestro crap because it was merely different. It has an original concept, great music and is really fun and refreshing to play. Yet because of this, my mate thinks it is terrible and prefers to play the 'original' (his words, not mine) Metal Gear Solid 2. And MGS2 is a great game, but not original. This is such a bad attitude to take on games, and I believe that we should welcome these 'kooky' Japanese games with open arms since they offer originality and a great time. Remember, Rez was made in Japan. Could you imagine any western developer making something similar on the refreshing scale?
And what angers me is all this stupid pointless 'console wars' talk. It isn't console wars, its petty arguments between the people who'd rather play with Mario and the people who'd rather play with Solid Snake. Grow Up. The GameCube is awesome, the Xbox great and the PS2 has a great selection of games. No console is better or worse when it comes to games, and the only thing which you could get a valid debate out of is system specifications. Which of course is ludicrously pointless since its the games that make or break a console, not how many gigapixels it can multi-texture every nanosecond.
A biased opinion is not a bad thing, constructive criticism is a welcome fact, but petty argument between one fifteen year old boy at one end of the line and an eight year old boy who still collects Pokemon cards is not a 'console war'. Grow up, you lot. We can all have our own opinions, but we don't want to hear you saying 'The PS2 is better than the GameCube because it has Metal Gear'. Opinions are fine; constructive criticism OK - nasty factually devoid arguments aren't.
Some people really ought to open there eyes. Others should become aware of the fact that there are good games on all consoles. And some should just stop chucking unfounded abuse because they don't like the company they're throwing it at. Don't judge a console by what it seems to lack; judge it by what it has to offer.
Many gamers fall into the trap. I know how to avoid it, and its usually the casual masses that do it. The trap of negativity, where everything is wrong, brand names are right and only games with the cool image are allowed. And why are these people totally anti whats good and whatnot? Publicity. Magazines. And general lack of enthusiasm.
I bought an Xbox with the sole intention of being able to play games on it. Not for the hard drive, the broadband capabilities or, being a popular reason on its own, for Halo. I bought it to use as a gamesplaying device because that is what I like to do with my spare time. And unlike many people, my decision wasn't altered by all the negative hype.
Why oh why, pray tell me, is the Xbox a PC in a box. What makes it a PC? Is it because its graphics chip is made by NVidia? Because it isn't made by NVidia, just developed by them. And if using PC brand names makes a console a PC, then the GameCube ought to be one of these whirring great machines as well considering it has IBM processor.
It has got a hard drive. I don't consider this to be essential to heighten the gameplaying experience, yet the first company to announce a hard drive add on was Sony with the PlayStation 2. So Xbox isn't the originator of this, but it doesn't make the Xbox a PC. The PlayStation 2 is just as PC-ish.
As for internet capabilities, online is apparently the future, so no comment can be passed there. And every console, PS2 Xbox and GC will all have keyboard and mouse peripherals, so these things don't make the Xbox a PC either.
Its all the negative, pointless untrue hype which has made Xbox not a very big hit in this country, and gives all the other console lovers reason or excuse as to why this is so. And it is pure negative trash, spewed by tabloids, and anti Microsoft people. Don't fall into the trap of calling a console crap, because never can that statement be true (bar the Virtual Boy).
And whats wrong with a bit of originality. My friend called Mad Maestro crap because it was merely different. It has an original concept, great music and is really fun and refreshing to play. Yet because of this, my mate thinks it is terrible and prefers to play the 'original' (his words, not mine) Metal Gear Solid 2. And MGS2 is a great game, but not original. This is such a bad attitude to take on games, and I believe that we should welcome these 'kooky' Japanese games with open arms since they offer originality and a great time. Remember, Rez was made in Japan. Could you imagine any western developer making something similar on the refreshing scale?
And what angers me is all this stupid pointless 'console wars' talk. It isn't console wars, its petty arguments between the people who'd rather play with Mario and the people who'd rather play with Solid Snake. Grow Up. The GameCube is awesome, the Xbox great and the PS2 has a great selection of games. No console is better or worse when it comes to games, and the only thing which you could get a valid debate out of is system specifications. Which of course is ludicrously pointless since its the games that make or break a console, not how many gigapixels it can multi-texture every nanosecond.
A biased opinion is not a bad thing, constructive criticism is a welcome fact, but petty argument between one fifteen year old boy at one end of the line and an eight year old boy who still collects Pokemon cards is not a 'console war'. Grow up, you lot. We can all have our own opinions, but we don't want to hear you saying 'The PS2 is better than the GameCube because it has Metal Gear'. Opinions are fine; constructive criticism OK - nasty factually devoid arguments aren't.
Some people really ought to open there eyes. Others should become aware of the fact that there are good games on all consoles. And some should just stop chucking unfounded abuse because they don't like the company they're throwing it at. Don't judge a console by what it seems to lack; judge it by what it has to offer.
That just takes the biscuit.
Your Honour wrote:
> ½pint wrote:
> Your Honour wrote:
> The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS
> want to get away from the PC image.
>
> You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band
> will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
>
>
> Hmmm. This is debatable.
>
>
>
> Hmmm. Not it's not.
>
>
> MS have siad themselves. It was on www.xbox.com before the machine was
> even launched. I'll try and find the article, but I'm not holding my
> breath...
>
> No net access, only games playing. Which suits me fine as sitting on a
> sofa with a keyboard is a pain in the @rse.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com /html/businesstechnology/134455927_xbox17.html
(Remove gap after .com)
> ½pint wrote:
> Your Honour wrote:
> The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS
> want to get away from the PC image.
>
> You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band
> will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
>
>
> Hmmm. This is debatable.
>
>
>
> Hmmm. Not it's not.
>
>
> MS have siad themselves. It was on www.xbox.com before the machine was
> even launched. I'll try and find the article, but I'm not holding my
> breath...
>
> No net access, only games playing. Which suits me fine as sitting on a
> sofa with a keyboard is a pain in the @rse.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com /html/businesstechnology/134455927_xbox17.html
(Remove gap after .com)
Oh yes, Microsoft knows best, listen to daddy. Why not give people the choice? Some people would have bought an Xbox INSTEAD of a PC, thinking they'll be able to surf on it as well. Now what, they can? And MS aren't even going to give them the option, they're just going to say "We don't think you should. Live with it". Could this be because they want people to surf the net on... a PC? I'm sure they'd make much more money from it, after all, you need a Windows OS at bare minimum for you average console-player.
Your Honour wrote:
> No net access, only games playing. Which suits me fine as sitting on a
> sofa with a keyboard is a pain in the @rse.
That's 100% true. Exactly what I think. Heh heh. Want a keyboard and mouse? Play on your PC.
Nice one.
> No net access, only games playing. Which suits me fine as sitting on a
> sofa with a keyboard is a pain in the @rse.
That's 100% true. Exactly what I think. Heh heh. Want a keyboard and mouse? Play on your PC.
Nice one.
½pint wrote:
> Your Honour wrote:
> The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS
> want to get away from the PC image.
>
> You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band
> will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
>
>
> Hmmm. This is debatable.
Hmmm. Not it's not.
MS have siad themselves. It was on www.xbox.com before the machine was even launched. I'll try and find the article, but I'm not holding my breath...
No net access, only games playing. Which suits me fine as sitting on a sofa with a keyboard is a pain in the @rse.
> Your Honour wrote:
> The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS
> want to get away from the PC image.
>
> You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band
> will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
>
>
> Hmmm. This is debatable.
Hmmm. Not it's not.
MS have siad themselves. It was on www.xbox.com before the machine was even launched. I'll try and find the article, but I'm not holding my breath...
No net access, only games playing. Which suits me fine as sitting on a sofa with a keyboard is a pain in the @rse.
½pint wrote:
> The online scene is yet to be seen, since no consoles are actually
> online, its yet to be determined what it'll actually be used for.
*cough* mynewpost'The Online Odyssey'gotoitnow *cough*
Good post man...
Keyboards and mice for consoles...I've never understood this fully. Just about the only games these are any use for, is PC ports. So either a) get the PC version, ya bum! or b) use the controller.
Shelling out for a keyboard and a mouse seems dumb (although with all these friggin' USB ports you can just nick your PC ones...).
> The online scene is yet to be seen, since no consoles are actually
> online, its yet to be determined what it'll actually be used for.
*cough* mynewpost'The Online Odyssey'gotoitnow *cough*
Good post man...
Keyboards and mice for consoles...I've never understood this fully. Just about the only games these are any use for, is PC ports. So either a) get the PC version, ya bum! or b) use the controller.
Shelling out for a keyboard and a mouse seems dumb (although with all these friggin' USB ports you can just nick your PC ones...).
Your Honour wrote:
> The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS
> want to get away from the PC image.
>
> You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band
> will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
Hmmm. This is debatable. The only console yet to display online activities was the PS2 which also showed an HDTV, and yes, net surfing. So far, you can surf the net. Although whether it'll happen on the Xbox is an entirely different matter. I wouldn't use it though because I already have *dun dun dun* a PC.
And there are those interact (are they interact?) joypads which are really long with a keyboard in the middle. They look great for messaging and the like whilst playing games. And there are ones for the GameCube, PS2 and Xbox.
The online scene is yet to be seen, since no consoles are actually online, its yet to be determined what it'll actually be used for.
> The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS
> want to get away from the PC image.
>
> You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band
> will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
Hmmm. This is debatable. The only console yet to display online activities was the PS2 which also showed an HDTV, and yes, net surfing. So far, you can surf the net. Although whether it'll happen on the Xbox is an entirely different matter. I wouldn't use it though because I already have *dun dun dun* a PC.
And there are those interact (are they interact?) joypads which are really long with a keyboard in the middle. They look great for messaging and the like whilst playing games. And there are ones for the GameCube, PS2 and Xbox.
The online scene is yet to be seen, since no consoles are actually online, its yet to be determined what it'll actually be used for.
A consoles wars topic by a Regular (even though its more rational than most)?
You should know better!
You should know better!
"And every console, PS2 Xbox and GC will all have keyboard and mouse peripherals, so these things don't make the Xbox a PC either."
That is utter gash.
The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS want to get away from the PC image.
You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
Just to clear that up.
Good post, by the way.
That is utter gash.
The Xbox will NOT have a keyboard and mouse available for it, as MS want to get away from the PC image.
You WON'T be able to surf the 'net. The only thing that broad band will be used for is online gaming. Nothing else.
Just to clear that up.
Good post, by the way.
I posted this in the FOG Prime a few days ago, but since most of the people it applies to are newbies or just hang around the FOG chat, I've decided to post it here. Hopefully it'll lay rest to all this arguing around the forums, but it probably won't. Read it, then think about what you're saying. If you love the PS2 and think its better than everything else, keep your opinion to yourself and discuss *DISCUSS* whats good and whats not about your console. Pointless fighting is exactly that. Pointless...
Many gamers fall into the trap. I know how to avoid it, and its usually the casual masses that do it. The trap of negativity, where everything is wrong, brand names are right and only games with the cool image are allowed. And why are these people totally anti whats good and whatnot? Publicity. Magazines. And general lack of enthusiasm.
I bought an Xbox with the sole intention of being able to play games on it. Not for the hard drive, the broadband capabilities or, being a popular reason on its own, for Halo. I bought it to use as a gamesplaying device because that is what I like to do with my spare time. And unlike many people, my decision wasn't altered by all the negative hype.
Why oh why, pray tell me, is the Xbox a PC in a box. What makes it a PC? Is it because its graphics chip is made by NVidia? Because it isn't made by NVidia, just developed by them. And if using PC brand names makes a console a PC, then the GameCube ought to be one of these whirring great machines as well considering it has IBM processor.
It has got a hard drive. I don't consider this to be essential to heighten the gameplaying experience, yet the first company to announce a hard drive add on was Sony with the PlayStation 2. So Xbox isn't the originator of this, but it doesn't make the Xbox a PC. The PlayStation 2 is just as PC-ish.
As for internet capabilities, online is apparently the future, so no comment can be passed there. And every console, PS2 Xbox and GC will all have keyboard and mouse peripherals, so these things don't make the Xbox a PC either.
Its all the negative, pointless untrue hype which has made Xbox not a very big hit in this country, and gives all the other console lovers reason or excuse as to why this is so. And it is pure negative trash, spewed by tabloids, and anti Microsoft people. Don't fall into the trap of calling a console crap, because never can that statement be true (bar the Virtual Boy).
And whats wrong with a bit of originality. My friend called Mad Maestro crap because it was merely different. It has an original concept, great music and is really fun and refreshing to play. Yet because of this, my mate thinks it is terrible and prefers to play the 'original' (his words, not mine) Metal Gear Solid 2. And MGS2 is a great game, but not original. This is such a bad attitude to take on games, and I believe that we should welcome these 'kooky' Japanese games with open arms since they offer originality and a great time. Remember, Rez was made in Japan. Could you imagine any western developer making something similar on the refreshing scale?
And what angers me is all this stupid pointless 'console wars' talk. It isn't console wars, its petty arguments between the people who'd rather play with Mario and the people who'd rather play with Solid Snake. Grow Up. The GameCube is awesome, the Xbox great and the PS2 has a great selection of games. No console is better or worse when it comes to games, and the only thing which you could get a valid debate out of is system specifications. Which of course is ludicrously pointless since its the games that make or break a console, not how many gigapixels it can multi-texture every nanosecond.
A biased opinion is not a bad thing, constructive criticism is a welcome fact, but petty argument between one fifteen year old boy at one end of the line and an eight year old boy who still collects Pokemon cards is not a 'console war'. Grow up, you lot. We can all have our own opinions, but we don't want to hear you saying 'The PS2 is better than the GameCube because it has Metal Gear'. Opinions are fine; constructive criticism OK - nasty factually devoid arguments aren't.
Some people really ought to open there eyes. Others should become aware of the fact that there are good games on all consoles. And some should just stop chucking unfounded abuse because they don't like the company they're throwing it at. Don't judge a console by what it seems to lack; judge it by what it has to offer.
Many gamers fall into the trap. I know how to avoid it, and its usually the casual masses that do it. The trap of negativity, where everything is wrong, brand names are right and only games with the cool image are allowed. And why are these people totally anti whats good and whatnot? Publicity. Magazines. And general lack of enthusiasm.
I bought an Xbox with the sole intention of being able to play games on it. Not for the hard drive, the broadband capabilities or, being a popular reason on its own, for Halo. I bought it to use as a gamesplaying device because that is what I like to do with my spare time. And unlike many people, my decision wasn't altered by all the negative hype.
Why oh why, pray tell me, is the Xbox a PC in a box. What makes it a PC? Is it because its graphics chip is made by NVidia? Because it isn't made by NVidia, just developed by them. And if using PC brand names makes a console a PC, then the GameCube ought to be one of these whirring great machines as well considering it has IBM processor.
It has got a hard drive. I don't consider this to be essential to heighten the gameplaying experience, yet the first company to announce a hard drive add on was Sony with the PlayStation 2. So Xbox isn't the originator of this, but it doesn't make the Xbox a PC. The PlayStation 2 is just as PC-ish.
As for internet capabilities, online is apparently the future, so no comment can be passed there. And every console, PS2 Xbox and GC will all have keyboard and mouse peripherals, so these things don't make the Xbox a PC either.
Its all the negative, pointless untrue hype which has made Xbox not a very big hit in this country, and gives all the other console lovers reason or excuse as to why this is so. And it is pure negative trash, spewed by tabloids, and anti Microsoft people. Don't fall into the trap of calling a console crap, because never can that statement be true (bar the Virtual Boy).
And whats wrong with a bit of originality. My friend called Mad Maestro crap because it was merely different. It has an original concept, great music and is really fun and refreshing to play. Yet because of this, my mate thinks it is terrible and prefers to play the 'original' (his words, not mine) Metal Gear Solid 2. And MGS2 is a great game, but not original. This is such a bad attitude to take on games, and I believe that we should welcome these 'kooky' Japanese games with open arms since they offer originality and a great time. Remember, Rez was made in Japan. Could you imagine any western developer making something similar on the refreshing scale?
And what angers me is all this stupid pointless 'console wars' talk. It isn't console wars, its petty arguments between the people who'd rather play with Mario and the people who'd rather play with Solid Snake. Grow Up. The GameCube is awesome, the Xbox great and the PS2 has a great selection of games. No console is better or worse when it comes to games, and the only thing which you could get a valid debate out of is system specifications. Which of course is ludicrously pointless since its the games that make or break a console, not how many gigapixels it can multi-texture every nanosecond.
A biased opinion is not a bad thing, constructive criticism is a welcome fact, but petty argument between one fifteen year old boy at one end of the line and an eight year old boy who still collects Pokemon cards is not a 'console war'. Grow up, you lot. We can all have our own opinions, but we don't want to hear you saying 'The PS2 is better than the GameCube because it has Metal Gear'. Opinions are fine; constructive criticism OK - nasty factually devoid arguments aren't.
Some people really ought to open there eyes. Others should become aware of the fact that there are good games on all consoles. And some should just stop chucking unfounded abuse because they don't like the company they're throwing it at. Don't judge a console by what it seems to lack; judge it by what it has to offer.