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"Genres that we miss out on?"

Been thinking a bit lately and getting ideas from posts and what people I know have been saying about a few things within the gaming industry. Missing genres was something that came up. Are there any? Ok allow me to explain in more detail so you fully understand what I mean. Today's games industry is very large and growing larger and larger all the time, we have various consoles and thousands possibly millions of games to choose from. All of these games can be catogrised into genres such as action, adventure, sport, racing, First person shooter etc. These can probably be broken down more into other categories as well. But is there any genres that have been missed out?

Well take the sports genre first, If we a go a step down we can see that it is only really the most popular sports that have games about them, such as Football, rugby, cricket, boxing, tennis, golf, American football, Ice hockey, wrestling etc and also games based on big events such as the winter and summer olympics. There are a lot more sports some of which could make pretty decent games. I am struggling to think of sports and I am sure there are some that should be mentioned here but are left out. I think that sports like volleyball (beach or normal), shinty, karate, kick boxing, swimming, badminton, other martial arts, etc could make decent games that would apeal to some people.

I can see though why there aren't games based on these sports, they aren't hugely popular or everyones cup of tea so to speak so the developer is taking a risk as they may not sell enough to break even or make a small profit which in turn isn't good business so they don't do it. The games that have games based upon them are usually worldwide sports with a huge fan base and are likely to sell well if they are decent enough. In other words unless they know the game they are making will appeal to people and also as long as they can make the game good and playable, if they can't then they will not make it - not worth it money wise.

So what else is missing, One thing I think we are missing is comedy, sure some games have funny parts or scenes but have you ever played a game that continued the theme of being funny the whole way through? I have no idea how something like this would work or what the story the game could have but maybe having a game designed to be funny could turn out quite well. Of course there are things some find funny that others wont or things that may be funny but also not intended for young children, I guess an idea would have to be well thought out before to make sure the game will actually apeal to some. These days some films are getting closer and closer to being similar in a way to the development of films, with actors providing voices, story writers writing the story of the game, directors providing knowledge and help on adding little touches to make it even more special. MGS2 is close to a film, not just with the number of cut scenes but the whole story line to it all, so is there a possibility of comedy writers from films being involved with the development of games? Is such a thing a possibility for the future?

One thing I think we miss out on is mixing genres. For example I think GTA3 could have been even better if when you are using a weapon it moves into a First Person Shooter view, I know it did for a few of the weapons but it should have been for them all and should have been improved. A few games already do something like this with things like driving vehicles in some levels of first person shooters. But I think that the idea could be improved a lot to make these games better.

I was thinking on my own idea for a game, the idea is in the game ideas forum and I would like your views on it too please. It kind of has a mixed genre theme to it all. You begin as a rookie cop driving around the city responding to calls through the radio, then depending on how well you do you can become promoted to various positions in the police force or even on to the FBI or C.I.A. As you move higher up the ranks you are involved in more adventurous cases that could take a while to solve. So you could go from things like catching small time crooks and family disturbances to fighting drug lords and their small armies to tracking down mass murderers.

The game would be a mixture of driving, First person shooter and action adventure. Probably a bit similar to GTA3 but more advanced to allow you into all the buildings and be able to go about an everyday life that constantly changes to match what has happend in the game. I think that there is not enough genres left to explore so we can only improve the ones we are used too. I think the next step is to combine the genres and make the best out of the knowledge of the other genres that the developers already have.

I don't know how well this would work or if people would like it, obviously it needs more thought as to the whole story and all the options as to what can and can't happen but I think the basic idea could work out quite well. We will end up with a point were we are just making games on the same genres time and time again with no new variety of games appearing, one solution is to mix the genres to pro-long the life and create some very special games by using the best ideas from other games. Obviously there are limitations on what developers can do, there are limits on what they can and can't include (Mostly due to disk space available) but could we see (In future consoles?) developers mixing genres, maybe adding something extra to games making some of the games we play at present seem very poor.

As I was writing this I thought of something else which I may as well include here aswell. What my thought was about was about making your own games and the fall of bedroom programmers.
I remember when I was young my dad used to have a computer that we played games on, every month he bought a magazine which had about 3-4 pages of code that if you took the time to enter and compile then you could play the game that the code created. Some of them where quite good as the standard of games at that time wasn't very high and games were quite easy to create.

These days very few consoles even allow you to create your own games, Obviously you can do it on a PC, I think the only one that allows it is the PS2 and the Linux version of the PS2. But with the way the games industry has grown todays games are of a very high standard and to create your own game to match any of these is almost impossible and to type in pre-written code from a developer could take days even weeks as there are millions of lines of code in most games.

So I thought maybe this is something that could be worked on a little for the future to make it easier for everyone to make their own games. I know a lot of people who are interested in it that study things like games technology or computer science at uni but would like more practice on their own doing it for a particular console. So what do you think? Should console developers have an option for us to be able to design decent games ourselfs? Maybe release software with the console that you can use if you want to try make your own or ignore if you don't.

I think it could be a good idea as there are more and more people who want to get into the industry to make games and with competition so high only the good ones will get in, practice and experience is the best and sometimes the only way to get better.

Ok so what are your views on this, are there any genres you think the industry is missing out on? Would you like to create your own games?

All I can think of is flight sims using birds instead of planes.
I don't if anyone has read Cinnamon's "Blackbird" game idea in the Game Ideas Forum? - Well something like. Whether it's a new genre I'm not sure, but it's a curious idea.

Excellent post...I tried to think of some missing genres but I couldn't think of any. Comedy would be hard to implement because it would probably involve less player participation. Saying that, who remembers the classic comedic point and click adventures like Sam & Max? They were funny.

I honestly think that mixing genres, if done properly, will be what we will see more of in the future. Shenmue immediately springs to mind as a game that has successfully done this, but as the market becomes more and more competitive I think developers will have to give the traditional genres something extra to give them the edge over their rivals - amalgamating genres could be the way to do that.

Protoss wrote:

> Speaking of which I have heard there is a new game for PC where you
> can make your own super heros and battle them...
> :0)



I saw something like this in the import section on the PSW DVD a few months a back.

It looked fairly dismal if you ask me. :-D

Well consoles generally miss out on good stratergy titles (because of the need for a mouse for it to be effective) and PCs usually don't have beat'em ups...though an online beat'em up would rock.

Speaking of which I have heard there is a new game for PC where you can make your own super heros and battle them...
:0)

Been thinking a bit lately and getting ideas from posts and what people I know have been saying about a few things within the gaming industry. Missing genres was something that came up. Are there any? Ok allow me to explain in more detail so you fully understand what I mean. Today's games industry is very large and growing larger and larger all the time, we have various consoles and thousands possibly millions of games to choose from. All of these games can be catogrised into genres such as action, adventure, sport, racing, First person shooter etc. These can probably be broken down more into other categories as well. But is there any genres that have been missed out?

Well take the sports genre first, If we a go a step down we can see that it is only really the most popular sports that have games about them, such as Football, rugby, cricket, boxing, tennis, golf, American football, Ice hockey, wrestling etc and also games based on big events such as the winter and summer olympics. There are a lot more sports some of which could make pretty decent games. I am struggling to think of sports and I am sure there are some that should be mentioned here but are left out. I think that sports like volleyball (beach or normal), shinty, karate, kick boxing, swimming, badminton, other martial arts, etc could make decent games that would apeal to some people.

I can see though why there aren't games based on these sports, they aren't hugely popular or everyones cup of tea so to speak so the developer is taking a risk as they may not sell enough to break even or make a small profit which in turn isn't good business so they don't do it. The games that have games based upon them are usually worldwide sports with a huge fan base and are likely to sell well if they are decent enough. In other words unless they know the game they are making will appeal to people and also as long as they can make the game good and playable, if they can't then they will not make it - not worth it money wise.

So what else is missing, One thing I think we are missing is comedy, sure some games have funny parts or scenes but have you ever played a game that continued the theme of being funny the whole way through? I have no idea how something like this would work or what the story the game could have but maybe having a game designed to be funny could turn out quite well. Of course there are things some find funny that others wont or things that may be funny but also not intended for young children, I guess an idea would have to be well thought out before to make sure the game will actually apeal to some. These days some films are getting closer and closer to being similar in a way to the development of films, with actors providing voices, story writers writing the story of the game, directors providing knowledge and help on adding little touches to make it even more special. MGS2 is close to a film, not just with the number of cut scenes but the whole story line to it all, so is there a possibility of comedy writers from films being involved with the development of games? Is such a thing a possibility for the future?

One thing I think we miss out on is mixing genres. For example I think GTA3 could have been even better if when you are using a weapon it moves into a First Person Shooter view, I know it did for a few of the weapons but it should have been for them all and should have been improved. A few games already do something like this with things like driving vehicles in some levels of first person shooters. But I think that the idea could be improved a lot to make these games better.

I was thinking on my own idea for a game, the idea is in the game ideas forum and I would like your views on it too please. It kind of has a mixed genre theme to it all. You begin as a rookie cop driving around the city responding to calls through the radio, then depending on how well you do you can become promoted to various positions in the police force or even on to the FBI or C.I.A. As you move higher up the ranks you are involved in more adventurous cases that could take a while to solve. So you could go from things like catching small time crooks and family disturbances to fighting drug lords and their small armies to tracking down mass murderers.

The game would be a mixture of driving, First person shooter and action adventure. Probably a bit similar to GTA3 but more advanced to allow you into all the buildings and be able to go about an everyday life that constantly changes to match what has happend in the game. I think that there is not enough genres left to explore so we can only improve the ones we are used too. I think the next step is to combine the genres and make the best out of the knowledge of the other genres that the developers already have.

I don't know how well this would work or if people would like it, obviously it needs more thought as to the whole story and all the options as to what can and can't happen but I think the basic idea could work out quite well. We will end up with a point were we are just making games on the same genres time and time again with no new variety of games appearing, one solution is to mix the genres to pro-long the life and create some very special games by using the best ideas from other games. Obviously there are limitations on what developers can do, there are limits on what they can and can't include (Mostly due to disk space available) but could we see (In future consoles?) developers mixing genres, maybe adding something extra to games making some of the games we play at present seem very poor.

As I was writing this I thought of something else which I may as well include here aswell. What my thought was about was about making your own games and the fall of bedroom programmers.
I remember when I was young my dad used to have a computer that we played games on, every month he bought a magazine which had about 3-4 pages of code that if you took the time to enter and compile then you could play the game that the code created. Some of them where quite good as the standard of games at that time wasn't very high and games were quite easy to create.

These days very few consoles even allow you to create your own games, Obviously you can do it on a PC, I think the only one that allows it is the PS2 and the Linux version of the PS2. But with the way the games industry has grown todays games are of a very high standard and to create your own game to match any of these is almost impossible and to type in pre-written code from a developer could take days even weeks as there are millions of lines of code in most games.

So I thought maybe this is something that could be worked on a little for the future to make it easier for everyone to make their own games. I know a lot of people who are interested in it that study things like games technology or computer science at uni but would like more practice on their own doing it for a particular console. So what do you think? Should console developers have an option for us to be able to design decent games ourselfs? Maybe release software with the console that you can use if you want to try make your own or ignore if you don't.

I think it could be a good idea as there are more and more people who want to get into the industry to make games and with competition so high only the good ones will get in, practice and experience is the best and sometimes the only way to get better.

Ok so what are your views on this, are there any genres you think the industry is missing out on? Would you like to create your own games?