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From teamtalk.com
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Old Firm face SPL backlash
The 10 non-Old Firm clubs in Scotland's top flight have announced that they intend to resign from the SPL after the two-year notice period.
Scotland's top clubs outside of Celtic and Rangers were furious with the Old Firm's decision to block the proposed SPL TV channel last week, insisting that they did not want to give up their own media rights.
That led to an angry reaction from the other clubs in the SPL, with a number of chairmen insisting that they were prepared to go it alone and cut the two Glasgow giants adrift.
And it now appears that they have had the courage of their convictions on this occasion, with the clubs announcing that they are set to resign from the league, giving the necessary two years' notice to leave and setting in place a move which could force the largest change ever in the Scottish game.
All 12 clubs met at Hampden Park this morning but failed to come to a compromise agreement, and the debate ended with the 10 other clubs notifying the SPL that they have agreed to resign to form their own league.
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Old Firm face SPL backlash
The 10 non-Old Firm clubs in Scotland's top flight have announced that they intend to resign from the SPL after the two-year notice period.
Scotland's top clubs outside of Celtic and Rangers were furious with the Old Firm's decision to block the proposed SPL TV channel last week, insisting that they did not want to give up their own media rights.
That led to an angry reaction from the other clubs in the SPL, with a number of chairmen insisting that they were prepared to go it alone and cut the two Glasgow giants adrift.
And it now appears that they have had the courage of their convictions on this occasion, with the clubs announcing that they are set to resign from the league, giving the necessary two years' notice to leave and setting in place a move which could force the largest change ever in the Scottish game.
All 12 clubs met at Hampden Park this morning but failed to come to a compromise agreement, and the debate ended with the 10 other clubs notifying the SPL that they have agreed to resign to form their own league.
Anyone know how the Welsh teams came to be part of the football league?
The Play-off's aren't really fair. I remember one season , when the Premier League dropped from 22 teams to 20, 4 teams went down, and only two came up. Middlesborough won the first division, and just 3 points behind them were Portsmouth. Portsmouth were a good 10 points above the team immediately beneath them, but still had to go through the play-off's, and didn't even make the final. A team that had gained many fewer points came up instead.
Not exactly fair, but they certainly are exciting.
Didn't they used to also have relegation play-off's?
The problem with them is that the form team is rewarded, rather than those that have played best all season.
Not exactly fair, but they certainly are exciting.
Didn't they used to also have relegation play-off's?
The problem with them is that the form team is rewarded, rather than those that have played best all season.
I apologise for jumping in there - I just read "Rangers and Celtic should be invited to join the Premier League" and my blood boiled. I should know better! :-)
The split league is an idea, but then how do you decide initially who should be in which part? There are some teams that are very borderline. The only fair way would be to announce it a season or two in advance, and say (for example) "At the end of the 2003/2004 season, the top 10 teams in the Premiership will become PL Division 1, the bottom 10 will become PL Division 2".
Even then, I'm not sure about the play-offs, as I don't agree with the current play-offs in our own existing leagues. If a team battles hard all season and finishes 2nd in the 1st Division, I don't see why they should then have to play the teams immediately below them to secure their promotion. After all, at the end of this season, we won't be having play-offs between Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool to decide who are champions and runners-up, will we?
The split league is an idea, but then how do you decide initially who should be in which part? There are some teams that are very borderline. The only fair way would be to announce it a season or two in advance, and say (for example) "At the end of the 2003/2004 season, the top 10 teams in the Premiership will become PL Division 1, the bottom 10 will become PL Division 2".
Even then, I'm not sure about the play-offs, as I don't agree with the current play-offs in our own existing leagues. If a team battles hard all season and finishes 2nd in the 1st Division, I don't see why they should then have to play the teams immediately below them to secure their promotion. After all, at the end of this season, we won't be having play-offs between Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool to decide who are champions and runners-up, will we?
I didn't say they should go right into the top division, I suggested a playoff between them and a couple of Premier Division 2 clubs, to see where they go.
I'm sure it won't be long before there's a second Premier league, given the situation with TV money that the football league find themselves in. Larger football league clubs could well join a restructured Premier League.
We definitely need a smaller league, so I wouldn't like to see the league extended to let Rangers and Celtic in, it would be an extra 4 fixtures, which would be ridiculous.
I'm sure it won't be long before there's a second Premier league, given the situation with TV money that the football league find themselves in. Larger football league clubs could well join a restructured Premier League.
We definitely need a smaller league, so I wouldn't like to see the league extended to let Rangers and Celtic in, it would be an extra 4 fixtures, which would be ridiculous.
I also don't think that reducing the number of teams would revive the League Cup. Teams would welcome the reduction in Prem matches, so they wouldn't then want to put the number of games back up by playing a full part in the League Cup - they'd be back to square one.
Meka Dragon wrote:
> I reckon my idea should go ahead. You?
No, absolutely not.
I don't see why they should be allowed straight in to our Premiership. If they want to play in our league system, they should have to start at the bottom and work through the leagues, like every other newcomer team. Okay, maybe they would be far better than the lower-league teams, but if they're so confident of that, let them prove it.
It has been suggested that the Premiership could be temporarily expanded to include them, but that would only add to an already overcrowded fixture list, so I'm sure many of the top teams would object to that.
I also don't think it's right that they have an automatic passage to our Premier league when Division 1 teams have been fighting hard for the privilege season after season. When you think that the runners-up in the lower divisions aren't even guaranteed promotion (because the enter those ridiculous play-offs), that just makes it even more wrong that two teams who've never played in our league should be given automatic access. Such a move could well prompt a similar reaction from the smaller teams in the English Premier league to that which has occurred in Scotland.
You then have the prospect of away games. Unless Rangers and Celtic relocated to the North of England, away games for fans in England would be an absolute nightmare. Even more so for Rangers and Celtic fans, because 50% of their games would mean journeying all the way to England.
Even so, all of this is likely to be pointless discussion. Last time the idea was mentioned officially, FIFA said that they would block any such move.
> I reckon my idea should go ahead. You?
No, absolutely not.
I don't see why they should be allowed straight in to our Premiership. If they want to play in our league system, they should have to start at the bottom and work through the leagues, like every other newcomer team. Okay, maybe they would be far better than the lower-league teams, but if they're so confident of that, let them prove it.
It has been suggested that the Premiership could be temporarily expanded to include them, but that would only add to an already overcrowded fixture list, so I'm sure many of the top teams would object to that.
I also don't think it's right that they have an automatic passage to our Premier league when Division 1 teams have been fighting hard for the privilege season after season. When you think that the runners-up in the lower divisions aren't even guaranteed promotion (because the enter those ridiculous play-offs), that just makes it even more wrong that two teams who've never played in our league should be given automatic access. Such a move could well prompt a similar reaction from the smaller teams in the English Premier league to that which has occurred in Scotland.
You then have the prospect of away games. Unless Rangers and Celtic relocated to the North of England, away games for fans in England would be an absolute nightmare. Even more so for Rangers and Celtic fans, because 50% of their games would mean journeying all the way to England.
Even so, all of this is likely to be pointless discussion. Last time the idea was mentioned officially, FIFA said that they would block any such move.
Right, here's what should happen. Rangers and Cletic should be invited to play in a newly stuctured Premier League, in two season's time.
There will be 2 premier league divisions, each consisting of 16 clubs. Basically the current Premier League clubs, the 2 Scottish giants, and 10 teams that are in the top part of the Nationwide division 1.
The bottom 4 teams will be relegated from the Premier League 1, into 2, leaving 16 teams. The teams that finished in positions 15 and 16 will have a two legged playoff against the Scottish teams to see who goes into division 1 and who goes into division 2. (It would be unfair to allow the Scottish teams straight in at the top).
This would mean only 30 league games a season, so there will be fewer matches with little to play for, as relegation positions, and European places will only ever be a few positions away for all teams. With fewer matches, teams wouldn't have to field weakened teams in the League cup, so that competition would also be revived. Promotion and relegation will continue between The football leagues and the Premier leagues.
I reckon my idea should go ahead. You?
There will be 2 premier league divisions, each consisting of 16 clubs. Basically the current Premier League clubs, the 2 Scottish giants, and 10 teams that are in the top part of the Nationwide division 1.
The bottom 4 teams will be relegated from the Premier League 1, into 2, leaving 16 teams. The teams that finished in positions 15 and 16 will have a two legged playoff against the Scottish teams to see who goes into division 1 and who goes into division 2. (It would be unfair to allow the Scottish teams straight in at the top).
This would mean only 30 league games a season, so there will be fewer matches with little to play for, as relegation positions, and European places will only ever be a few positions away for all teams. With fewer matches, teams wouldn't have to field weakened teams in the League cup, so that competition would also be revived. Promotion and relegation will continue between The football leagues and the Premier leagues.
I reckon my idea should go ahead. You?
interesting, *ponders*, scottish footie is a bit of a joke, however ill be suprised that it is not rangers and celtic pulling out. the spl is not competitive enough so i dont really blame those non firm clubs boycotting the league, i mean its always rangers and celtic all the way
lol at scottish footie
lol at scottish footie
From teamtalk.com
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Old Firm face SPL backlash
The 10 non-Old Firm clubs in Scotland's top flight have announced that they intend to resign from the SPL after the two-year notice period.
Scotland's top clubs outside of Celtic and Rangers were furious with the Old Firm's decision to block the proposed SPL TV channel last week, insisting that they did not want to give up their own media rights.
That led to an angry reaction from the other clubs in the SPL, with a number of chairmen insisting that they were prepared to go it alone and cut the two Glasgow giants adrift.
And it now appears that they have had the courage of their convictions on this occasion, with the clubs announcing that they are set to resign from the league, giving the necessary two years' notice to leave and setting in place a move which could force the largest change ever in the Scottish game.
All 12 clubs met at Hampden Park this morning but failed to come to a compromise agreement, and the debate ended with the 10 other clubs notifying the SPL that they have agreed to resign to form their own league.
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Old Firm face SPL backlash
The 10 non-Old Firm clubs in Scotland's top flight have announced that they intend to resign from the SPL after the two-year notice period.
Scotland's top clubs outside of Celtic and Rangers were furious with the Old Firm's decision to block the proposed SPL TV channel last week, insisting that they did not want to give up their own media rights.
That led to an angry reaction from the other clubs in the SPL, with a number of chairmen insisting that they were prepared to go it alone and cut the two Glasgow giants adrift.
And it now appears that they have had the courage of their convictions on this occasion, with the clubs announcing that they are set to resign from the league, giving the necessary two years' notice to leave and setting in place a move which could force the largest change ever in the Scottish game.
All 12 clubs met at Hampden Park this morning but failed to come to a compromise agreement, and the debate ended with the 10 other clubs notifying the SPL that they have agreed to resign to form their own league.