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I'm married, and have a young son (Bradley 18 Months).Have any of you guys got kids? If so, how do you feel about the censorship of games in this country?I personally feel that in some ways censorship and certification are good things, but cutting out large parts of a game isn't really necessary.An age certification, is really all a game requires, as many parents generally know what is or is not good for their child to be playing.By censoring games, I feel as an adult I'm being, in some ways, deprived of my right to watch what I like, and in this instance play what I like.
I think that, classing games such as Resident Evil in the same category as a video nasty, just goes to show how main stream gaming has now become.I've also noticed lately, how people have started to blame games such as Time Crisis, for the massacres that have taken place in America.Saying, how realistic these games can be.Now I know for a fact, the Armies of the world do use video training for combat situations,but they're far removed from real combat situations.And having used many large calibre weapons in the past, when playing this game I fail to see the similarity!!!!!
How do you feel about this?ARTY (34)
P.S. Glad to see some good talking (at last) on this forum.Kill the console war tripe (buy em all!!!) thats what I say.
I think that, classing games such as Resident Evil in the same category as a video nasty, just goes to show how main stream gaming has now become.I've also noticed lately, how people have started to blame games such as Time Crisis, for the massacres that have taken place in America.Saying, how realistic these games can be.Now I know for a fact, the Armies of the world do use video training for combat situations,but they're far removed from real combat situations.And having used many large calibre weapons in the past, when playing this game I fail to see the similarity!!!!!
How do you feel about this?ARTY (34)
P.S. Glad to see some good talking (at last) on this forum.Kill the console war tripe (buy em all!!!) thats what I say.
> Also, Babylonian you make some of the best points I've ever had
> the pleasure to read on this forum, you really should take you're
> skills further yah know.Do you use you're writeing skills for a
> living?
Many thanks for your kind words! No, I don't write for a living. Well, I do in a sense - I'm a computer programmer, so I do write programs! But no, not stuff like this. Though with the comments people have made on these forums, it is tempting!
My sympathies to yourself and Kieran, who've been to hell and back with the loss/illness of your kids. As I've said, I have no kids of my own, so I can only guess at what you've been through, but it sure puts the rants on these forums into perspective.
Best wishes to you both.
> the pleasure to read on this forum, you really should take you're
> skills further yah know.Do you use you're writeing skills for a
> living?
Many thanks for your kind words! No, I don't write for a living. Well, I do in a sense - I'm a computer programmer, so I do write programs! But no, not stuff like this. Though with the comments people have made on these forums, it is tempting!
My sympathies to yourself and Kieran, who've been to hell and back with the loss/illness of your kids. As I've said, I have no kids of my own, so I can only guess at what you've been through, but it sure puts the rants on these forums into perspective.
Best wishes to you both.
kieran0601 wrote:
> I am married, and i have a son, Kieran (hence the screen name). He
> is my pride and joy. He was very ill when he was a baby, he spent
> nine months in hospital (Alder hey, liverpool) with various
> problems and we almost lost him on a few occasions. After leaving
> hospital, he contracted meningitis and again was admitted to Alder
> Hey. He has had six different operations since, and is now
> fighting fit. He will be four in January.
>
> So that is my life as a father so far.
>
.Jeez, this made me jump a bit!!!!!I had a son called Kieran, but he died shortly after birth.I'm very glad you're son is doing so well, dispite his rough start to life.Listen, I don't often give out my e-mail address, but if you would like to talk about anything just call ([email protected]).My Bradley now has his brothers name as his middle name.I really am glad for you, it's great to know there's a little guy called Kieran out there who made it, and if you don't call, then good luck to you and you're family.
Also, Babylonian you make some of the best points I've ever had the pleasure to read on this forum, you really should take you're skills further yah know.Do you use you're writeing skills for a living?I'm in the Building trade, and have not really had much to do with reading and writeing since 1983 (when I left school!!)Hence my bad spelling and punctuation.
My boy is very special to me, and I would protect him from all harm, but as for games I would, without being over bearing, keep an eye on his game types.I think most kids are on the whole stable enough to endure certain game titles, without becomeing axe wielding nutters!!!
saying that though, I don't think giving a five year old RE would be to clever, but to a 13 year old it's not so bad.So, I feel certification and letting parents be the judge of things, is the best policy.After all, the worst cases of murder in this country were commited by adults and not kids.What made them so bad, books!! did we try and ban them? And at the end of the day, I'd rather give my kid a video game, than have him spaced out on drugs!!!!!Thanks ARTY
P.s. you kids out there got anything to say please respond, I'd like to hear what you've got to say(where's ANT gone)
> I am married, and i have a son, Kieran (hence the screen name). He
> is my pride and joy. He was very ill when he was a baby, he spent
> nine months in hospital (Alder hey, liverpool) with various
> problems and we almost lost him on a few occasions. After leaving
> hospital, he contracted meningitis and again was admitted to Alder
> Hey. He has had six different operations since, and is now
> fighting fit. He will be four in January.
>
> So that is my life as a father so far.
>
.Jeez, this made me jump a bit!!!!!I had a son called Kieran, but he died shortly after birth.I'm very glad you're son is doing so well, dispite his rough start to life.Listen, I don't often give out my e-mail address, but if you would like to talk about anything just call ([email protected]).My Bradley now has his brothers name as his middle name.I really am glad for you, it's great to know there's a little guy called Kieran out there who made it, and if you don't call, then good luck to you and you're family.
Also, Babylonian you make some of the best points I've ever had the pleasure to read on this forum, you really should take you're skills further yah know.Do you use you're writeing skills for a living?I'm in the Building trade, and have not really had much to do with reading and writeing since 1983 (when I left school!!)Hence my bad spelling and punctuation.
My boy is very special to me, and I would protect him from all harm, but as for games I would, without being over bearing, keep an eye on his game types.I think most kids are on the whole stable enough to endure certain game titles, without becomeing axe wielding nutters!!!
saying that though, I don't think giving a five year old RE would be to clever, but to a 13 year old it's not so bad.So, I feel certification and letting parents be the judge of things, is the best policy.After all, the worst cases of murder in this country were commited by adults and not kids.What made them so bad, books!! did we try and ban them? And at the end of the day, I'd rather give my kid a video game, than have him spaced out on drugs!!!!!Thanks ARTY
P.s. you kids out there got anything to say please respond, I'd like to hear what you've got to say(where's ANT gone)
I am married, and i have a son, Kieran (hence the screen name). He is my pride and joy. He was very ill when he was a baby, he spent nine months in hospital (Alder hey, liverpool) with various problems and we almost lost him on a few occasions. After leaving hospital, he contracted meningitis and again was admitted to Alder Hey. He has had six different operations since, and is now fighting fit. He will be four in January.
So that is my life as a father so far.
Anyways, about censorship. I agree with Babylonian to a point, but feel that certain censoring is necessary to protect children. There has been many cases in the media which highlight the fact that children who can gain access to films which are not "appropriate", can emulate the scenes which they witnessed. This of course is not the "norm", but just an example of what could happen.
But in games, i agree that it should be up to the parents to choose what their children should play. My comments are probably going to cause some controvercy, but at the end of the day, they are only my opinions.
So that is my life as a father so far.
Anyways, about censorship. I agree with Babylonian to a point, but feel that certain censoring is necessary to protect children. There has been many cases in the media which highlight the fact that children who can gain access to films which are not "appropriate", can emulate the scenes which they witnessed. This of course is not the "norm", but just an example of what could happen.
But in games, i agree that it should be up to the parents to choose what their children should play. My comments are probably going to cause some controvercy, but at the end of the day, they are only my opinions.
Ooh, a favourite subject of mine, this. Bear in mind though that I'm not married, and have no kids...
I generally don't believe in censorship, at least of the kind where bits are hacked out of films and games. I believe that adults should be able to make up their own minds, and (with the greatest respect to you) that responsibility for what children watch/play should rest entirely with the parents.
With the advent of 128-bit machines, the need for age guidance is, I feel, only just becoming absolutely necessary. I agree with age ratings, but I think they should be purely for guidance, and that parts shouldn't be removed to make a film/game fit any particular guidelines.
If I go to see a film or buy a game, I usually do so because I know roughly what the content is about, and it interests me. I want to see it as the creator originally intended - not the version some Mary Whitehouse think-alike has determined it is "safe" for me to see.
If necessary, they could introduce a new "21" age rating to cover those films where 'excessive' sex or violence is left in, but I see no reason to cut it out as long as it is made clear about the contents. If I don't like something, I am quite capable of switching off the console, turning over the TV, or walking out of the cinema.
I also don't believe any of the scapegoating of films and games with regard to violence. If someone is going to commit a crime, *something* will push them into it. Violence and crime existed long before films and video games; it's just that because they haven't managed to prevent it yet, they need something to blame it on, and films/games are the easiest target.
Game and film makers aren't some all-powerful force for evil and corruption; they're normal people, just like the rest of us. I think that games and films are actually led by society, not vice-versa, and that they are just reflecting the changes in society. The reason people don't like it is because they don't want to admit what is happening.
The first real violent films were the 'classic' war films that everyone praises, even up to the more recent movies such as Platoon, Hamburger Hill and Saving Private Ryan, which all contain some very brutal scenes.
Such films are heaped with praise as they are based on history. But take those same violent scenes and put them in an action film with Arnie and Stallone, and suddenly it's all very wrong and unnecessary. Why is that?
My opinion is that *no-one* has the right to decide for me what is or isn't suitable for my viewing. I'm not some gullible fool who will follow whatever I see in a movie, and I don't want to be treated like one.
If some teenager decides he wants to wear a trenchcoat and shoot his schoolmates, then he's already unstable; The Matrix or Time Crisis may have given him the final idea, but he would've done something similar anyway.
In short, my opinion is that censorship takes away our right to decide for ourselves, and that is wrong, IMHO.
I generally don't believe in censorship, at least of the kind where bits are hacked out of films and games. I believe that adults should be able to make up their own minds, and (with the greatest respect to you) that responsibility for what children watch/play should rest entirely with the parents.
With the advent of 128-bit machines, the need for age guidance is, I feel, only just becoming absolutely necessary. I agree with age ratings, but I think they should be purely for guidance, and that parts shouldn't be removed to make a film/game fit any particular guidelines.
If I go to see a film or buy a game, I usually do so because I know roughly what the content is about, and it interests me. I want to see it as the creator originally intended - not the version some Mary Whitehouse think-alike has determined it is "safe" for me to see.
If necessary, they could introduce a new "21" age rating to cover those films where 'excessive' sex or violence is left in, but I see no reason to cut it out as long as it is made clear about the contents. If I don't like something, I am quite capable of switching off the console, turning over the TV, or walking out of the cinema.
I also don't believe any of the scapegoating of films and games with regard to violence. If someone is going to commit a crime, *something* will push them into it. Violence and crime existed long before films and video games; it's just that because they haven't managed to prevent it yet, they need something to blame it on, and films/games are the easiest target.
Game and film makers aren't some all-powerful force for evil and corruption; they're normal people, just like the rest of us. I think that games and films are actually led by society, not vice-versa, and that they are just reflecting the changes in society. The reason people don't like it is because they don't want to admit what is happening.
The first real violent films were the 'classic' war films that everyone praises, even up to the more recent movies such as Platoon, Hamburger Hill and Saving Private Ryan, which all contain some very brutal scenes.
Such films are heaped with praise as they are based on history. But take those same violent scenes and put them in an action film with Arnie and Stallone, and suddenly it's all very wrong and unnecessary. Why is that?
My opinion is that *no-one* has the right to decide for me what is or isn't suitable for my viewing. I'm not some gullible fool who will follow whatever I see in a movie, and I don't want to be treated like one.
If some teenager decides he wants to wear a trenchcoat and shoot his schoolmates, then he's already unstable; The Matrix or Time Crisis may have given him the final idea, but he would've done something similar anyway.
In short, my opinion is that censorship takes away our right to decide for ourselves, and that is wrong, IMHO.
Yeah, i got a kid, her name is malibu and she's just over 1 year old.
On the subject of censorship, I think that parents have to take more responsibility for what there kids play and watch.
On the subject of censorship, I think that parents have to take more responsibility for what there kids play and watch.
I'm married, and have a young son (Bradley 18 Months).Have any of you guys got kids? If so, how do you feel about the censorship of games in this country?I personally feel that in some ways censorship and certification are good things, but cutting out large parts of a game isn't really necessary.An age certification, is really all a game requires, as many parents generally know what is or is not good for their child to be playing.By censoring games, I feel as an adult I'm being, in some ways, deprived of my right to watch what I like, and in this instance play what I like.
I think that, classing games such as Resident Evil in the same category as a video nasty, just goes to show how main stream gaming has now become.I've also noticed lately, how people have started to blame games such as Time Crisis, for the massacres that have taken place in America.Saying, how realistic these games can be.Now I know for a fact, the Armies of the world do use video training for combat situations,but they're far removed from real combat situations.And having used many large calibre weapons in the past, when playing this game I fail to see the similarity!!!!!
How do you feel about this?ARTY (34)
P.S. Glad to see some good talking (at last) on this forum.Kill the console war tripe (buy em all!!!) thats what I say.
I think that, classing games such as Resident Evil in the same category as a video nasty, just goes to show how main stream gaming has now become.I've also noticed lately, how people have started to blame games such as Time Crisis, for the massacres that have taken place in America.Saying, how realistic these games can be.Now I know for a fact, the Armies of the world do use video training for combat situations,but they're far removed from real combat situations.And having used many large calibre weapons in the past, when playing this game I fail to see the similarity!!!!!
How do you feel about this?ARTY (34)
P.S. Glad to see some good talking (at last) on this forum.Kill the console war tripe (buy em all!!!) thats what I say.