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"Complicated Champs League qualification."

I was scratching my head this morning trying to work out the different permiatations regarding Arsenals game tonight and how they can qualify.

At first i didn't understand how Leverkusen could go through if they win tonight, regardless of our result in Turin.


This is how it is gonna work.

P W D L F A pts

Deportivo 5 3 1 1 6 3 10
Arsenal 5 2 1 2 8 7 7
B. Leverkusen 5 2 1 2 8 10 7
Juventus 5 1 1 3 6 8 4

- Deportivo are through
- Juventus are out
- If Arsenal and Leverkusen both win, then they and Deportivo will all be on 10 points.
- Arsenal will go out because they have only scored 4 points in the games between these three teams. (A win and a draw with Leverkusen and two losses to Deportivo)
- If Leverkusen win against Deportivo tonight they will have scored 7 points against the fellow teams that are tied on 10 points.

Now my head hurts so i think that i am going for a lie down.

Well, at the moment Leverkusen are top of the group! We (united) could get Deportivo in the next stage...

Nice penalty from henry...

HEHEHEHE Leverkusen just got another...Bye bye Arsenal...

I'm a united fan and I have mixed feelings about Arsenal getting through. I'd like them to qualify for the good of English football, but I'd rather play Leverkusen than Arsenal. Mind you I'd also rather play Arsenal than Liverpool, we just can't beat them at the moment!

Solskjær_24 wrote:
> C'mon Juvé!!!!

And they wonder why anyone who doesn't support United hates them!

Meka Dragon wrote:
> Still, I can't see Leverkausen winning in Spain, can you? So Arsenal
> should go through with a draw..... right?


I'm not so sure, as Deportivo - like Juventus - are 'resting' many first team players for tonight's game. So anything could happen.

C'mon Juvé!!!!

I'd like to see Arsenal fail to qualify, but it is pretty un-realistic.
What have Juventus got to play for????
They cannot progress any further, and are more likely to be resting some top players for the bigger and more important matches in Serie A. And Arsenal should win safely as long as they don't do anything stupid.

But then again...
Arsenal didn't exactly look 'world class' against Villa on Sunday (with the exception of Pires' goal) and especially in defence! So maybe if Nedved, DelPiero and Trezeguet are all in Juventus' starting XI, we could see a surprise result!

Oh yes. Minster indeed.

Tetchy wrote:

Do you you ever get really nervous before a
> really important game? Sad i know, but i am already.

Yep, I know that feeling. Worse for England games, I tend to find though.

Especially that Germany - England match.

On the subject of England, don't we play Italy next Wednesday? (Minster then?)

Absolutely Mek's. I forgot to mention that if Arsenal and Leverkusen draw then Arsenal are through. Yippee!

Do you you ever get really nervous before a really important game? Sad i know, but i am already.

Ah! So that's how it works, results between the three teams.

For some reason I thought they'd compare them two at a time, in which case Arsenal have a better record against Leverkausen, so should go through, but Leverkausen have a better record against Deportivo, so they go through, but Deportivo have a better record against Arsenal, so they go through.....

Which, as you see, didn't make sense.

An equally good suggestion would be to let all three into the next round, and throw Real Madrid out of the competition for no apparent reason.

Still, I can't see Leverkausen winning in Spain, can you? So Arsenal should go through with a draw..... right?

It's a bit annoying for us Gunners because we might go out at the expense of a team that we have beaten but if they manage to beat Deportivo away form home then i guess they deserve to go through.

Blaady Germans.