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I'd better explain here, at the beginning, that this was supposed to be a short, couple of paragraphs size post. It’s just that trying to explain what I mean has taken up rather more room than trying to get across what I'm trying to say… sorry… Anyway...
There is a school of thought that suggests that musical taste is a very individual thing. So individual, in fact, that it would be morally irreprehensible for anyone to judge another persons taste in any way.
That these are generally the same pupils that will then criticise your taste in movies, literature, clothing, haircut, lifestyle, speech and why it is that they do everything so much better than you is another matter altogether, however...
See, Its not that I demand the right to have a point of view on any and all music (thereby having a point of view on the music you like/dislike/whatever), its more than I'm going to have one anyway and there’s nothing you can do about it (I'm willing to demand that everybody else can have a point of view on music, but only because I'm such a nice guy).
What I'm trying to say here is that I'm not trying to put across the idea that there is something wrong with have a point of view (thereby later on allowing me to make out that there is something wrong with it without seeming to get my hands dirty), its just the way that point of view is put across, and how you got your point of view (see, I'm starting already).
I'm losing my way here, so getting back to the point. There are a remarkably large number of people who buy pop/chart music, and a lot of people who don’t really like it but don’t know where else to go. Many of these people try, every once in a while to buy something outside of their norm, possibly one track by some musician who somehow managed to get some airtime, only to discover that all the other tracks are either terrible, or too different (bit of healthy wild speculation there).
It's a treacherous path to figuring out where your musical tastes lie, especially given how late in life it is before most people seem to start trying to define it. It doesn’t help, as your just starting out and before you’ve gotten yourself a sure footing, that people are so willing to tell you what they think about how you made completely the wrong choice, how the album you’ve just bought and yet to hear is second rate pap, ripped off from some guy from the eighties, who themselves were completely rubbish and were puppets of the corporate machine.
Right, now this is the bit where I try to make some sort of rational point, and try to make this post not come across as some personal therapy (its not... honest)
See, from what I’ve seen (separating myself from the issue here), most of the people who decide not to move outside of pop music are generally pretty cool about it all. There may be a little light jesting, but nothing offensive, well natured, you know.
And most people who genuinely know there stuff are pretty cool about it too. Often because they have already had to wade though their fair share of unwanted opinions about their musical choices before they got to the point of having more articulated, well rounded responses themselves. And often because its always good to see people trying out something new, especially when its a medium your particularly interest in yourself... (although don’t think your in any way completely blameless, its just that I'm about to wimp out and place the blame on an easier target :) )
The problem, I reckon, is with the people at the shallow end of the pool (ironically many of which are people who have just decided to try something other than pop). I'm really trying not to say nu-metal fans here, mainly because the majority of them are probably cool cats, its more the stereotype of nu-metals fans that I'm trying to get the impression of... people who wear, talk and walk exactly the same clothing in their exercise of pseudo-individuality. People who seem claim ownership of opinion they don’t understand, and which, it seems are actually said within quotation marks. People whose favourite conversation seems to revolve around the vocalisation of what they hate, and their description always seems to best fit them. This isn’t a rant, and I'm a little concerned that I'm beginning to come across as a Daily Mail reader, so I'll stop here, hopefully you know the sort of person I'm trying to put across.
To the conclusion section (which is all the post should have been made up of, but its taken me this long to get it down to one paragraph and I'm too lazy to cut the rest).
What I'm trying to say is, I dunno, cut people some slack when they try something new.
A few years back, I picked up the sequel to Catch22 (I forget the title) and I was having a chat with a mate of mine who had already read it. He gave me his opinion, he mentioned what he liked, and disliked, and why. He told me what his opinion was, but he didn’t tell me what mine should be.
It just seems a shame that so many people stick to the safety of pop music because of the amount of hassle they'll receive by considering an alternative.
I reckon, having an opinion is important, it’s just that its always nicer when the opinion is your own. I reckon that it’s just as important to be able to freely express your opinion too, just try not to feel too disheartened if the other person disagrees. And always show your working.
There is a school of thought that suggests that musical taste is a very individual thing. So individual, in fact, that it would be morally irreprehensible for anyone to judge another persons taste in any way.
That these are generally the same pupils that will then criticise your taste in movies, literature, clothing, haircut, lifestyle, speech and why it is that they do everything so much better than you is another matter altogether, however...
See, Its not that I demand the right to have a point of view on any and all music (thereby having a point of view on the music you like/dislike/whatever), its more than I'm going to have one anyway and there’s nothing you can do about it (I'm willing to demand that everybody else can have a point of view on music, but only because I'm such a nice guy).
What I'm trying to say here is that I'm not trying to put across the idea that there is something wrong with have a point of view (thereby later on allowing me to make out that there is something wrong with it without seeming to get my hands dirty), its just the way that point of view is put across, and how you got your point of view (see, I'm starting already).
I'm losing my way here, so getting back to the point. There are a remarkably large number of people who buy pop/chart music, and a lot of people who don’t really like it but don’t know where else to go. Many of these people try, every once in a while to buy something outside of their norm, possibly one track by some musician who somehow managed to get some airtime, only to discover that all the other tracks are either terrible, or too different (bit of healthy wild speculation there).
It's a treacherous path to figuring out where your musical tastes lie, especially given how late in life it is before most people seem to start trying to define it. It doesn’t help, as your just starting out and before you’ve gotten yourself a sure footing, that people are so willing to tell you what they think about how you made completely the wrong choice, how the album you’ve just bought and yet to hear is second rate pap, ripped off from some guy from the eighties, who themselves were completely rubbish and were puppets of the corporate machine.
Right, now this is the bit where I try to make some sort of rational point, and try to make this post not come across as some personal therapy (its not... honest)
See, from what I’ve seen (separating myself from the issue here), most of the people who decide not to move outside of pop music are generally pretty cool about it all. There may be a little light jesting, but nothing offensive, well natured, you know.
And most people who genuinely know there stuff are pretty cool about it too. Often because they have already had to wade though their fair share of unwanted opinions about their musical choices before they got to the point of having more articulated, well rounded responses themselves. And often because its always good to see people trying out something new, especially when its a medium your particularly interest in yourself... (although don’t think your in any way completely blameless, its just that I'm about to wimp out and place the blame on an easier target :) )
The problem, I reckon, is with the people at the shallow end of the pool (ironically many of which are people who have just decided to try something other than pop). I'm really trying not to say nu-metal fans here, mainly because the majority of them are probably cool cats, its more the stereotype of nu-metals fans that I'm trying to get the impression of... people who wear, talk and walk exactly the same clothing in their exercise of pseudo-individuality. People who seem claim ownership of opinion they don’t understand, and which, it seems are actually said within quotation marks. People whose favourite conversation seems to revolve around the vocalisation of what they hate, and their description always seems to best fit them. This isn’t a rant, and I'm a little concerned that I'm beginning to come across as a Daily Mail reader, so I'll stop here, hopefully you know the sort of person I'm trying to put across.
To the conclusion section (which is all the post should have been made up of, but its taken me this long to get it down to one paragraph and I'm too lazy to cut the rest).
What I'm trying to say is, I dunno, cut people some slack when they try something new.
A few years back, I picked up the sequel to Catch22 (I forget the title) and I was having a chat with a mate of mine who had already read it. He gave me his opinion, he mentioned what he liked, and disliked, and why. He told me what his opinion was, but he didn’t tell me what mine should be.
It just seems a shame that so many people stick to the safety of pop music because of the amount of hassle they'll receive by considering an alternative.
I reckon, having an opinion is important, it’s just that its always nicer when the opinion is your own. I reckon that it’s just as important to be able to freely express your opinion too, just try not to feel too disheartened if the other person disagrees. And always show your working.
yay! ... some people read my post!
Cheers guys.
Anyway, I'll let you get back to your favourte Simpsons quotes and 'what music your listening to' topics :)
Cheers guys.
Anyway, I'll let you get back to your favourte Simpsons quotes and 'what music your listening to' topics :)
Great topic! It may have taken a while, but you got there in the end. Anyway, yeah, I don't like to tell others what to like and what not to like, though if someone does start insulting my taste in music I usually give as good as I get...
I generally will give people more respect for listening to anything different rather than just sticking to the charts, but there are certain groups that seem to be getting just as bad as those sticking to the charts... (see 'Warring Factions' if you want to find out what I mean)... simply because they are only listening to it becasue it's the 'in' thing. Anyway, good on everybody with their own opinoins and taste, and don't let anyone tell you what is good or not, you are the only one who can decide that!
I generally will give people more respect for listening to anything different rather than just sticking to the charts, but there are certain groups that seem to be getting just as bad as those sticking to the charts... (see 'Warring Factions' if you want to find out what I mean)... simply because they are only listening to it becasue it's the 'in' thing. Anyway, good on everybody with their own opinoins and taste, and don't let anyone tell you what is good or not, you are the only one who can decide that!
Good topic. Methinks that I should stop telling people what to like...
'POP!'
This must be a really dull topic huh?
This must be a really dull topic huh?
Small Frog wrote:
> Cheers for that. It's nice to see someone with a bit of sense on the forums,
> rather than some of the bigots that are on frequently.
aww... cant I be a bigot too... they seem to have soo much fun!
> Cheers for that. It's nice to see someone with a bit of sense on the forums,
> rather than some of the bigots that are on frequently.
aww... cant I be a bigot too... they seem to have soo much fun!
Cheers for that. It's nice to see someone with a bit of sense on the forums, rather than some of the bigots that are on frequently.
Music *is* highly personal. My tastes vary a hell of a lot - I like hardcore stuff like Slayer and Soulfly, but also like more pop-ish stuff like Stereophonics, Starsailor, Toploader and Coldplay. I like older artists like the Beatles and Elton John. I even like some classical music - Franz Schubert wrote stuff that would be hardcore rock if played on a guitar (see if you can find a track called 'Der Doppelganger' - it's pure nu-metal material!). And I think that Nessun Dorma (hope I spelt that right :) ) sung by Pavarotti is one of the most inspiring pieces of music ever recorded.
Anyway, that's my personal opinion. If you don't like it, you can go and commit and unsanitary act with your own mother. So there.
Music *is* highly personal. My tastes vary a hell of a lot - I like hardcore stuff like Slayer and Soulfly, but also like more pop-ish stuff like Stereophonics, Starsailor, Toploader and Coldplay. I like older artists like the Beatles and Elton John. I even like some classical music - Franz Schubert wrote stuff that would be hardcore rock if played on a guitar (see if you can find a track called 'Der Doppelganger' - it's pure nu-metal material!). And I think that Nessun Dorma (hope I spelt that right :) ) sung by Pavarotti is one of the most inspiring pieces of music ever recorded.
Anyway, that's my personal opinion. If you don't like it, you can go and commit and unsanitary act with your own mother. So there.
I'd better explain here, at the beginning, that this was supposed to be a short, couple of paragraphs size post. It’s just that trying to explain what I mean has taken up rather more room than trying to get across what I'm trying to say… sorry… Anyway...
There is a school of thought that suggests that musical taste is a very individual thing. So individual, in fact, that it would be morally irreprehensible for anyone to judge another persons taste in any way.
That these are generally the same pupils that will then criticise your taste in movies, literature, clothing, haircut, lifestyle, speech and why it is that they do everything so much better than you is another matter altogether, however...
See, Its not that I demand the right to have a point of view on any and all music (thereby having a point of view on the music you like/dislike/whatever), its more than I'm going to have one anyway and there’s nothing you can do about it (I'm willing to demand that everybody else can have a point of view on music, but only because I'm such a nice guy).
What I'm trying to say here is that I'm not trying to put across the idea that there is something wrong with have a point of view (thereby later on allowing me to make out that there is something wrong with it without seeming to get my hands dirty), its just the way that point of view is put across, and how you got your point of view (see, I'm starting already).
I'm losing my way here, so getting back to the point. There are a remarkably large number of people who buy pop/chart music, and a lot of people who don’t really like it but don’t know where else to go. Many of these people try, every once in a while to buy something outside of their norm, possibly one track by some musician who somehow managed to get some airtime, only to discover that all the other tracks are either terrible, or too different (bit of healthy wild speculation there).
It's a treacherous path to figuring out where your musical tastes lie, especially given how late in life it is before most people seem to start trying to define it. It doesn’t help, as your just starting out and before you’ve gotten yourself a sure footing, that people are so willing to tell you what they think about how you made completely the wrong choice, how the album you’ve just bought and yet to hear is second rate pap, ripped off from some guy from the eighties, who themselves were completely rubbish and were puppets of the corporate machine.
Right, now this is the bit where I try to make some sort of rational point, and try to make this post not come across as some personal therapy (its not... honest)
See, from what I’ve seen (separating myself from the issue here), most of the people who decide not to move outside of pop music are generally pretty cool about it all. There may be a little light jesting, but nothing offensive, well natured, you know.
And most people who genuinely know there stuff are pretty cool about it too. Often because they have already had to wade though their fair share of unwanted opinions about their musical choices before they got to the point of having more articulated, well rounded responses themselves. And often because its always good to see people trying out something new, especially when its a medium your particularly interest in yourself... (although don’t think your in any way completely blameless, its just that I'm about to wimp out and place the blame on an easier target :) )
The problem, I reckon, is with the people at the shallow end of the pool (ironically many of which are people who have just decided to try something other than pop). I'm really trying not to say nu-metal fans here, mainly because the majority of them are probably cool cats, its more the stereotype of nu-metals fans that I'm trying to get the impression of... people who wear, talk and walk exactly the same clothing in their exercise of pseudo-individuality. People who seem claim ownership of opinion they don’t understand, and which, it seems are actually said within quotation marks. People whose favourite conversation seems to revolve around the vocalisation of what they hate, and their description always seems to best fit them. This isn’t a rant, and I'm a little concerned that I'm beginning to come across as a Daily Mail reader, so I'll stop here, hopefully you know the sort of person I'm trying to put across.
To the conclusion section (which is all the post should have been made up of, but its taken me this long to get it down to one paragraph and I'm too lazy to cut the rest).
What I'm trying to say is, I dunno, cut people some slack when they try something new.
A few years back, I picked up the sequel to Catch22 (I forget the title) and I was having a chat with a mate of mine who had already read it. He gave me his opinion, he mentioned what he liked, and disliked, and why. He told me what his opinion was, but he didn’t tell me what mine should be.
It just seems a shame that so many people stick to the safety of pop music because of the amount of hassle they'll receive by considering an alternative.
I reckon, having an opinion is important, it’s just that its always nicer when the opinion is your own. I reckon that it’s just as important to be able to freely express your opinion too, just try not to feel too disheartened if the other person disagrees. And always show your working.
There is a school of thought that suggests that musical taste is a very individual thing. So individual, in fact, that it would be morally irreprehensible for anyone to judge another persons taste in any way.
That these are generally the same pupils that will then criticise your taste in movies, literature, clothing, haircut, lifestyle, speech and why it is that they do everything so much better than you is another matter altogether, however...
See, Its not that I demand the right to have a point of view on any and all music (thereby having a point of view on the music you like/dislike/whatever), its more than I'm going to have one anyway and there’s nothing you can do about it (I'm willing to demand that everybody else can have a point of view on music, but only because I'm such a nice guy).
What I'm trying to say here is that I'm not trying to put across the idea that there is something wrong with have a point of view (thereby later on allowing me to make out that there is something wrong with it without seeming to get my hands dirty), its just the way that point of view is put across, and how you got your point of view (see, I'm starting already).
I'm losing my way here, so getting back to the point. There are a remarkably large number of people who buy pop/chart music, and a lot of people who don’t really like it but don’t know where else to go. Many of these people try, every once in a while to buy something outside of their norm, possibly one track by some musician who somehow managed to get some airtime, only to discover that all the other tracks are either terrible, or too different (bit of healthy wild speculation there).
It's a treacherous path to figuring out where your musical tastes lie, especially given how late in life it is before most people seem to start trying to define it. It doesn’t help, as your just starting out and before you’ve gotten yourself a sure footing, that people are so willing to tell you what they think about how you made completely the wrong choice, how the album you’ve just bought and yet to hear is second rate pap, ripped off from some guy from the eighties, who themselves were completely rubbish and were puppets of the corporate machine.
Right, now this is the bit where I try to make some sort of rational point, and try to make this post not come across as some personal therapy (its not... honest)
See, from what I’ve seen (separating myself from the issue here), most of the people who decide not to move outside of pop music are generally pretty cool about it all. There may be a little light jesting, but nothing offensive, well natured, you know.
And most people who genuinely know there stuff are pretty cool about it too. Often because they have already had to wade though their fair share of unwanted opinions about their musical choices before they got to the point of having more articulated, well rounded responses themselves. And often because its always good to see people trying out something new, especially when its a medium your particularly interest in yourself... (although don’t think your in any way completely blameless, its just that I'm about to wimp out and place the blame on an easier target :) )
The problem, I reckon, is with the people at the shallow end of the pool (ironically many of which are people who have just decided to try something other than pop). I'm really trying not to say nu-metal fans here, mainly because the majority of them are probably cool cats, its more the stereotype of nu-metals fans that I'm trying to get the impression of... people who wear, talk and walk exactly the same clothing in their exercise of pseudo-individuality. People who seem claim ownership of opinion they don’t understand, and which, it seems are actually said within quotation marks. People whose favourite conversation seems to revolve around the vocalisation of what they hate, and their description always seems to best fit them. This isn’t a rant, and I'm a little concerned that I'm beginning to come across as a Daily Mail reader, so I'll stop here, hopefully you know the sort of person I'm trying to put across.
To the conclusion section (which is all the post should have been made up of, but its taken me this long to get it down to one paragraph and I'm too lazy to cut the rest).
What I'm trying to say is, I dunno, cut people some slack when they try something new.
A few years back, I picked up the sequel to Catch22 (I forget the title) and I was having a chat with a mate of mine who had already read it. He gave me his opinion, he mentioned what he liked, and disliked, and why. He told me what his opinion was, but he didn’t tell me what mine should be.
It just seems a shame that so many people stick to the safety of pop music because of the amount of hassle they'll receive by considering an alternative.
I reckon, having an opinion is important, it’s just that its always nicer when the opinion is your own. I reckon that it’s just as important to be able to freely express your opinion too, just try not to feel too disheartened if the other person disagrees. And always show your working.