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Tue 12/03/02 at 19:30
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I was thinking in a lecture earlier and came across this idea, I may be reading into things too much but I thought I should share it for an idea on your views.
I see consoles as being very advanced input/output systems. You as the user provide an input and the console goes through the process of creating an advanced output of graphics and sound. The input, process and output will all improve with time but I think there is a limit on how good the input can be. Well at least if they continue along the lines they are going.

My reasons for this is there is a limit on us as humans, ie there is a limit on the controls and buttons as we can only physically use so many controls at one time. Control pads have improved a lot, not only the ergonomics of them but also the increased functionality of them, more buttins and controls to allow you to do more in the game, but there is a limit on how much we can physically do, not only does it depend on the person playing it (hand size) but also on what the developer requires the user to do in the game. Also the time it takes for us to react and then make a movement is limited, the consoles can process the data much much faster. This made me think that if the input continues along the lines of the control pad or mouse and keyboard then there will be a limit on how good input can get. This may not happen for some time but I think that there is a limit due to our human limitations.

I guess this all comes down to what happens in the future. Looking back we can see just how far consoles have come, maybe we will see new ways of input such as: voice, Body motion or even maybe one day the power of the brain. I'll explain through these.

Voice
The idea of this is very simple using your voice as an input to control the game in some way. In my opinion it does have a lot of potential to be used along side another means of input such as a control pad but I don't think that it could be used on its own and I don't think it would be as much fun on its own.
I think that first person shooters and RPG's could benefit the most, and if computer A.I reaches the standard where you could have a fully inteligent conversation with the computer or console game then maybe we could see games where you have to ask the questions and comunicate to find out the required information to progress, such a thing may be a while away but could make gaming a lot better.

Imagine playing a first person shooter and controlling your allied troops using your voice, giving commands like "Move out" and "retreat" or telling them what targets to hit or to provide back up.
I know this is starting to take off a little in Japan, a football game over there used this technology for commands such as pass and shoot, although I would imagine this would be quite mad when 2 players are playing both shouting different commands, maybe individual head sets are needed. :)
I do see some problems with this technology though, even the PC voice recognition isn't that great at the moment, it will get better but could a game cope with all the extra coding needed or maybe it would have to be loaded sepearately onto the hard disk? Also how will it cope with different dialects as my Scottish accent is a lot different to a Liverpudlian or Geordie, Irish or Welsh accent. Maybe the software will analyse the way you say certain letters and combination of letters to set it up the first time and save your data allowing others to use the software on your console.

Body Motion
Again the concept is quite simple, you move and the console using some peripheral devices such as cameras or motion sensors detects your movement and uses it as part of the input. Probably the best example is the Police 24/7 arcade and soon to be PS2 game. It is a first person shooter where you have to physically move to avoid bullets, a camera detects your movement and makes the on screen character perform the same actions.
Again this is something a bit different that depends on technology and also on cost as the cost has to be suitable to make it appeal to the mass number of gamers worldwide.

I think the potential is with the first person shooters and maybe with fighting games like Tekken or even boxing games. I think there is a market out there for this sort of input and the above mentioned genres really could be improved using ti in my view, I guess it all depends on what developers want to use and include in their games.
Similar to the voice recognition is the idea of the software code needed to allow it could be used on a game to improve the graphics, gameplay etc so maybe it is up to the console developer to produce a standard device and software that can be installed to the hard disk and then developers can make use of that.

Who knows? Soon we could have realistic fights where you roll around kicking, scratching and making too much effort in trying to hit your opponent and then opting for a good kick to the groin to finish them off. Or boxing games that really do prove you swing like a girl or have a glass jaw.

Brain power
This seems like a weird concept at first but when you think about it you never really know what is possible. Scientists claim we only use a small percentage of the brains capabilities and even scientists themselves know very little about this extremely important organ. We could see an input device that is like a helmet that you wear and it takes your thoughts and uses what you think to control the game. Although I don't quite see how this could be fun it may well apeal to others as it has a certain futuristic appeal to it.
It is very unlikely that a system like this will be around for quite some time unless some major breakthrough happens but it is another possibility for the future of gaming.

I can just picture us all sitting wearing chrome helmets to control games, but would this mean those who can use their brains better would be better at games, the genius people out there would rule all.

Sorry to go on so much, didn't realise how long it was until I reached this bit. I would like to read your views so if you have any please post them.
Do you think there will come a time when the input system can't get any better? If so when? Which of the future possibilities appeal to you most?
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Tue 12/03/02 at 19:30
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I was thinking in a lecture earlier and came across this idea, I may be reading into things too much but I thought I should share it for an idea on your views.
I see consoles as being very advanced input/output systems. You as the user provide an input and the console goes through the process of creating an advanced output of graphics and sound. The input, process and output will all improve with time but I think there is a limit on how good the input can be. Well at least if they continue along the lines they are going.

My reasons for this is there is a limit on us as humans, ie there is a limit on the controls and buttons as we can only physically use so many controls at one time. Control pads have improved a lot, not only the ergonomics of them but also the increased functionality of them, more buttins and controls to allow you to do more in the game, but there is a limit on how much we can physically do, not only does it depend on the person playing it (hand size) but also on what the developer requires the user to do in the game. Also the time it takes for us to react and then make a movement is limited, the consoles can process the data much much faster. This made me think that if the input continues along the lines of the control pad or mouse and keyboard then there will be a limit on how good input can get. This may not happen for some time but I think that there is a limit due to our human limitations.

I guess this all comes down to what happens in the future. Looking back we can see just how far consoles have come, maybe we will see new ways of input such as: voice, Body motion or even maybe one day the power of the brain. I'll explain through these.

Voice
The idea of this is very simple using your voice as an input to control the game in some way. In my opinion it does have a lot of potential to be used along side another means of input such as a control pad but I don't think that it could be used on its own and I don't think it would be as much fun on its own.
I think that first person shooters and RPG's could benefit the most, and if computer A.I reaches the standard where you could have a fully inteligent conversation with the computer or console game then maybe we could see games where you have to ask the questions and comunicate to find out the required information to progress, such a thing may be a while away but could make gaming a lot better.

Imagine playing a first person shooter and controlling your allied troops using your voice, giving commands like "Move out" and "retreat" or telling them what targets to hit or to provide back up.
I know this is starting to take off a little in Japan, a football game over there used this technology for commands such as pass and shoot, although I would imagine this would be quite mad when 2 players are playing both shouting different commands, maybe individual head sets are needed. :)
I do see some problems with this technology though, even the PC voice recognition isn't that great at the moment, it will get better but could a game cope with all the extra coding needed or maybe it would have to be loaded sepearately onto the hard disk? Also how will it cope with different dialects as my Scottish accent is a lot different to a Liverpudlian or Geordie, Irish or Welsh accent. Maybe the software will analyse the way you say certain letters and combination of letters to set it up the first time and save your data allowing others to use the software on your console.

Body Motion
Again the concept is quite simple, you move and the console using some peripheral devices such as cameras or motion sensors detects your movement and uses it as part of the input. Probably the best example is the Police 24/7 arcade and soon to be PS2 game. It is a first person shooter where you have to physically move to avoid bullets, a camera detects your movement and makes the on screen character perform the same actions.
Again this is something a bit different that depends on technology and also on cost as the cost has to be suitable to make it appeal to the mass number of gamers worldwide.

I think the potential is with the first person shooters and maybe with fighting games like Tekken or even boxing games. I think there is a market out there for this sort of input and the above mentioned genres really could be improved using ti in my view, I guess it all depends on what developers want to use and include in their games.
Similar to the voice recognition is the idea of the software code needed to allow it could be used on a game to improve the graphics, gameplay etc so maybe it is up to the console developer to produce a standard device and software that can be installed to the hard disk and then developers can make use of that.

Who knows? Soon we could have realistic fights where you roll around kicking, scratching and making too much effort in trying to hit your opponent and then opting for a good kick to the groin to finish them off. Or boxing games that really do prove you swing like a girl or have a glass jaw.

Brain power
This seems like a weird concept at first but when you think about it you never really know what is possible. Scientists claim we only use a small percentage of the brains capabilities and even scientists themselves know very little about this extremely important organ. We could see an input device that is like a helmet that you wear and it takes your thoughts and uses what you think to control the game. Although I don't quite see how this could be fun it may well apeal to others as it has a certain futuristic appeal to it.
It is very unlikely that a system like this will be around for quite some time unless some major breakthrough happens but it is another possibility for the future of gaming.

I can just picture us all sitting wearing chrome helmets to control games, but would this mean those who can use their brains better would be better at games, the genius people out there would rule all.

Sorry to go on so much, didn't realise how long it was until I reached this bit. I would like to read your views so if you have any please post them.
Do you think there will come a time when the input system can't get any better? If so when? Which of the future possibilities appeal to you most?

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