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Fri 29/11/02 at 15:03
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Even with the more 'adult' and 'mature' games like the Resident Evil series and Eternal Darkness arriving on the GameCube's scene quite frequently now, Nintendo's tiny 'Cube is still being percieved as yet-another 'kiddy console', leaving gamers to go elsewhere in their search for good gaming towards SONY's PS2 and even Microsoft's X-Box. Obviously, adding more mature games to the list isn't really going to help Nintendo in their push for success the time-around. There must be something else they can do to influence the minds of others and make them see the sense in buying a GameCube and investing in Nintendo in the future too.
But what on Earth could they possibly do or add that could change they way we think of Nintendo?? More advertising and the rest will often be suggested, but I think they need to change something within the games themselves.

But by completely over-hauling these so-called kiddy games like Super Mario and The Legend of Zelda (along with all-others) for games like Resi and Halo is only going to make things worse for themselves. Without Mario and co. they just wouldn't be Nintendo, wouldn't be themselves.
However, something does need to be done though...
They need something that will sell itself, in-order-to help Nintendo sell more....

What sells better than Sex nowadays?
You hear about it all the time how "Sex sells" and it is something often added into advertisements and the like to grab people's attention and really bring some interest into their products - whatever it is they are trying to sell.
Not only does this work with deoderants and clothes and the rest, but I think a lot of games out-there today and tommorow could really benefit sales-wise just by adding a little bix of S.E.X. here-and-there.
Look at the new Dave Mirra XXX game for a great example...
Without the use of Sex, this would just be yet-another game trying to over-turn the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater series with nothing that makes it stand-out from the other competitors, nothing that makes it that special. And maybe it is just that! But you've seen it all for yourself, a lot of people have been talking about this game since seeing some of the 18-rated screen-shots and women in G-strings going up-and-down on bikes. Try to imagine that game with fully-clothed men and women and you'd see something identical to that last Dave Mirra effort, which really didn't go-down too-well with all the Tony Hawk fans.

Not only is this mult-format title set-for release on the Nintendo GameCube, but already on the 'Cube there is one title with a certain degree of "Sex Appeal" in SEGA's own Beach Spikers. It may just be a simple Volleyball game that's great fun with 4-players, but when you add-in some fit women in bikinis bouncing around in the hot sun, it becomes so-much-more to the gamers out-there with a more mature eye and view on things. The game itslef may not be topping-the-charts or anything special as-of-now, but how many times have you heard an anti-Ninty say something along the lines of: "Have you seen that new Volleyball game on the $h1++y GameCube?" "Yeah, looks pretty good. Loads of fit birds in it!"
And-so by just adding a few sexual touches here and there, SEGA have already got people starting to talk-about and take-notice of this game.

And then there's the new Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball title, where you can even adjust the measurements of your female characters to keep all males happy!
That may also not be a game as-great-as GTA: Vice City (which also has a sexual nature to parts of it) or something else like TimeSplitters 2, but these games are getting the attention they deserve for showing a couple of girls wearing very-little.

As GameCube owners and long-term Nintendo fans alike, we all know how great Nintendo's-own titles have been over the years, even if no-one else can seem to see it, without any sexual nature or refferences in them.
Just think how much more Super Mario SunShine could've sold if Miyamoto-san had decided to go with the flow here...
In-fact, Mario SunShine would've been an almost-perfect game for it! Think about it... It starts off as Mario's holiday with Princess Peach on the sun-dreanched Isle Delfino where it is usually VERY hot. And in those kind-of conditions you'd expect to see women in bikins and swim-suits, not in big heafty dresses. Mario was also packed-with a water cannon, FLUDD, which can spray water - everywhere. So all Nintendo would have to show in an clip where would be Mario running up to a sleeping Peach in the sun, spray here with water to make things 'tighter', and everyone - Ninty-or-not - would take-notice!
Do you see how easy it could be to grab their attention?
They're fed-up of seeing Mario and Luigi running-round in a colourfull world having fun. They wanna see some sex!!

And what about at the end of the next Zelda-saving adventure for Link... The courageous, young, elf-boy could carry the princess off into the sun-set at the end as she's showing some leg. And perhaps Shigsy could even add a few cut-scenes into the adventure where Ganondorf (or whoever it is) would be torturing Zelda in such a way that you can't help but look-at what state she is in.
Then people may finally begin to pick-up copies of The Legend of Zelda and start to play it, realising it is not just a 'kiddy game' but a true RPG-Adventure - just like Final Fantasy X!

Nintendo still need to add something more to the GameCube's catalogue of titles in-order to grab the attention of those who are looking for the more mature and 18-rated games out-there that will make them buy a particular console. Even with the likes of Enternal Darkness and the whole Resident Evil series on its way, it has been proven already that this still isn't enough to win them all over.
Sex is something that is still rarely used in games today, and originallity is something that is fading-away fast. Nintendo are always the ones to come-up-with the bright-ideas first... Perhaps this could be the right way to go?

What are your opinions on this?
Does Shigeru Miyamoto need to add some sex to Mario's life?
If you don't think this will help then what else will that hasn't already been done??
Fri 29/11/02 at 17:24
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"Must be Parkinson's"
Posts: 1,471
I think your missing the point. Halo had no sex yet it was mature, and fantastic.
Fri 29/11/02 at 17:15
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"gsybe you!"
Posts: 18,825
Thats why you were sending me odd suggestive e-mails!

EWWWWWWWWW!

:D
Fri 29/11/02 at 16:43
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Posts: 21,800
I hope you're not offering it to him Solksjaer?
Fri 29/11/02 at 15:57
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"Brownium Motion"
Posts: 4,100
Mario's big tash would make him a great 70's porn star!
Fri 29/11/02 at 15:53
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"Long time no see!"
Posts: 8,351
You're right, I am not convinced this is the way-forward for Nintendo.
However, I am only suggesting this a possibillity for something new they could try next.
Fri 29/11/02 at 15:45
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"Brownium Motion"
Posts: 4,100
Interesting post Solskjaer, but I reckon Nintendo should keep on making games exactly like they are. I've got a feeling you're just playing devil's advocate and you're not really convinced this is the way forward. The old adage comes to mind: "If it ain't broke then don't fix it."

Nintendo make some of the best games in the world by taking a cute/colourful environment but combining it with adult themes. These are all adult issues none more so than Mario's latest effort - cleaning the environment. Will people buy more games because sex is in them? I doubt it. If you wants to see sex, you'd buy a porno mag or video, not a game. BMX XXX is not being stocked in some shops for the opposite reason! In this case, sex isn't selling; it's causing more losses for the developer due low shelf space. Will it sell through notoriety? Possibly.

A more interesting concept would be concerning controversial issues. For exmple, Hitman 2 had to be pulled from the shelves because Sikhs objected to it depicting the slaughter of them (gives new meaning to the word Turbanator!). This recall didn't stop it from being the best selling PC game that week.
So, can controversy sell more games? Undoubtedly. Look at the amount of people moaning about Zelda new "cel-shaded" look. People moaned about how childish it would look but i'd bet my bottom dollar that these same people would still buy the game if Link was wearing a pink leotard!

Then again, Nintendo seems to shoot themselves in the foot. If they want to regard themselves as a major developer of serious adult games then they would stop making Pokemon and game with cute characters. Maybe Metroid is a sign of things to come? On the other day, Nintendo's focus is on having fun: games are fun and N recognises the need of having joyful experiences when playing. Why should they change that? Let other developers make "serious" games - Nintendo should stick to what they know best - fun!
Fri 29/11/02 at 15:41
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
It would have to be a whole new franchise. And to be extra careful, they should create some new wing of the company, "Otaku" say, and not release it under Nintendo's name at all. If it's a hit, then rename it "Nintendo Otaku" or something, and carry on.

But certainly don't take the risk of ruining Nintendo's name by coming up with something that gets branded as "smut" or something.
Fri 29/11/02 at 15:36
Regular
"Long time no see!"
Posts: 8,351
That's why I think it would have to be something used very wisely, as Nintendo already have fans like us who wouldn't want to see games like Mario and Zelda completely over-hauled.
But I still think something needs to be done to get more SONY/Microsoft fans see the games as more-appealing to theirselves.
Fri 29/11/02 at 15:26
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
I think Mario games should be left well alone. They are the kids element, and kids DO need an element of their own. Can't have all the pre-teens melting their brains on GTA:VC and BMX:XXX.

And to be honest, I don't want sex in games. For me. I don't play games for tossing material. But I recognise that some spotty little teens will do, so perhaps Nintendo should make a (tasteful) move in this direction.

But Nintendo are Japanese, and so we're more likely to see something about schoolgirls knickers and lifting skirts than any serious "X-Rated" material.
Fri 29/11/02 at 15:03
Regular
"Long time no see!"
Posts: 8,351
Even with the more 'adult' and 'mature' games like the Resident Evil series and Eternal Darkness arriving on the GameCube's scene quite frequently now, Nintendo's tiny 'Cube is still being percieved as yet-another 'kiddy console', leaving gamers to go elsewhere in their search for good gaming towards SONY's PS2 and even Microsoft's X-Box. Obviously, adding more mature games to the list isn't really going to help Nintendo in their push for success the time-around. There must be something else they can do to influence the minds of others and make them see the sense in buying a GameCube and investing in Nintendo in the future too.
But what on Earth could they possibly do or add that could change they way we think of Nintendo?? More advertising and the rest will often be suggested, but I think they need to change something within the games themselves.

But by completely over-hauling these so-called kiddy games like Super Mario and The Legend of Zelda (along with all-others) for games like Resi and Halo is only going to make things worse for themselves. Without Mario and co. they just wouldn't be Nintendo, wouldn't be themselves.
However, something does need to be done though...
They need something that will sell itself, in-order-to help Nintendo sell more....

What sells better than Sex nowadays?
You hear about it all the time how "Sex sells" and it is something often added into advertisements and the like to grab people's attention and really bring some interest into their products - whatever it is they are trying to sell.
Not only does this work with deoderants and clothes and the rest, but I think a lot of games out-there today and tommorow could really benefit sales-wise just by adding a little bix of S.E.X. here-and-there.
Look at the new Dave Mirra XXX game for a great example...
Without the use of Sex, this would just be yet-another game trying to over-turn the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater series with nothing that makes it stand-out from the other competitors, nothing that makes it that special. And maybe it is just that! But you've seen it all for yourself, a lot of people have been talking about this game since seeing some of the 18-rated screen-shots and women in G-strings going up-and-down on bikes. Try to imagine that game with fully-clothed men and women and you'd see something identical to that last Dave Mirra effort, which really didn't go-down too-well with all the Tony Hawk fans.

Not only is this mult-format title set-for release on the Nintendo GameCube, but already on the 'Cube there is one title with a certain degree of "Sex Appeal" in SEGA's own Beach Spikers. It may just be a simple Volleyball game that's great fun with 4-players, but when you add-in some fit women in bikinis bouncing around in the hot sun, it becomes so-much-more to the gamers out-there with a more mature eye and view on things. The game itslef may not be topping-the-charts or anything special as-of-now, but how many times have you heard an anti-Ninty say something along the lines of: "Have you seen that new Volleyball game on the $h1++y GameCube?" "Yeah, looks pretty good. Loads of fit birds in it!"
And-so by just adding a few sexual touches here and there, SEGA have already got people starting to talk-about and take-notice of this game.

And then there's the new Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball title, where you can even adjust the measurements of your female characters to keep all males happy!
That may also not be a game as-great-as GTA: Vice City (which also has a sexual nature to parts of it) or something else like TimeSplitters 2, but these games are getting the attention they deserve for showing a couple of girls wearing very-little.

As GameCube owners and long-term Nintendo fans alike, we all know how great Nintendo's-own titles have been over the years, even if no-one else can seem to see it, without any sexual nature or refferences in them.
Just think how much more Super Mario SunShine could've sold if Miyamoto-san had decided to go with the flow here...
In-fact, Mario SunShine would've been an almost-perfect game for it! Think about it... It starts off as Mario's holiday with Princess Peach on the sun-dreanched Isle Delfino where it is usually VERY hot. And in those kind-of conditions you'd expect to see women in bikins and swim-suits, not in big heafty dresses. Mario was also packed-with a water cannon, FLUDD, which can spray water - everywhere. So all Nintendo would have to show in an clip where would be Mario running up to a sleeping Peach in the sun, spray here with water to make things 'tighter', and everyone - Ninty-or-not - would take-notice!
Do you see how easy it could be to grab their attention?
They're fed-up of seeing Mario and Luigi running-round in a colourfull world having fun. They wanna see some sex!!

And what about at the end of the next Zelda-saving adventure for Link... The courageous, young, elf-boy could carry the princess off into the sun-set at the end as she's showing some leg. And perhaps Shigsy could even add a few cut-scenes into the adventure where Ganondorf (or whoever it is) would be torturing Zelda in such a way that you can't help but look-at what state she is in.
Then people may finally begin to pick-up copies of The Legend of Zelda and start to play it, realising it is not just a 'kiddy game' but a true RPG-Adventure - just like Final Fantasy X!

Nintendo still need to add something more to the GameCube's catalogue of titles in-order to grab the attention of those who are looking for the more mature and 18-rated games out-there that will make them buy a particular console. Even with the likes of Enternal Darkness and the whole Resident Evil series on its way, it has been proven already that this still isn't enough to win them all over.
Sex is something that is still rarely used in games today, and originallity is something that is fading-away fast. Nintendo are always the ones to come-up-with the bright-ideas first... Perhaps this could be the right way to go?

What are your opinions on this?
Does Shigeru Miyamoto need to add some sex to Mario's life?
If you don't think this will help then what else will that hasn't already been done??

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