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Just a quick one - i was going to put it in another topic, but thought it might need a new one.
So we've seen the screen shots (i've even managed to see them in more than 16 colors : ) ), and nobody is really impressed. One argument in their defense is that they are only still images, which may not protray the game as well as clips showing motion. Other arguments suggest that it's early enough to expect noticable improvements.
I have another theory.
Consider mario 64. Now, to me, mario sunshine fills the same kind of mould, in playing style, but particularly in the apperance of the game - simple and cartoony.
How much graphical 'improvement' can the game really take?
Well, eliminate pop-up and fogging. Smooth out all those polygon-deficient shapes. Add detail here and there.
But so far as i can tell, all that's been done, and nicely so.
What about effects and detail like we see in, for example star fox screen shots?
I have to say, i really don't think that kind of detail has a place in a title like mario sunshine. The cartoony feel is based on the simple colors and textures that we are familiar with. It's somewhat similar to cell shading in the overall result.
If nintendo start to add fine effects like we see in the star fox adventures -the fur, backgrounds and detail- we cease to have something with that mario style. I really don't want to see that happen.
Maybe one more example of what i mean. Remember the sr news story on the futurama license? If not, the details aren't really important. Just consider the style of the cartoon - nice and simple colors and textures. The story mentioned how the game would almost mirror the apperance of the cartoon. I think this is similar to the mario sunshine style, it has to be kept simple, or it wouldn't look like the tv series, however nice the graphics were.
So maybe we don't need to see graphic boundaries pushed back too far in mario sunshine. Maybe they've reached the ideal already.
So we've seen the screen shots (i've even managed to see them in more than 16 colors : ) ), and nobody is really impressed. One argument in their defense is that they are only still images, which may not protray the game as well as clips showing motion. Other arguments suggest that it's early enough to expect noticable improvements.
I have another theory.
Consider mario 64. Now, to me, mario sunshine fills the same kind of mould, in playing style, but particularly in the apperance of the game - simple and cartoony.
How much graphical 'improvement' can the game really take?
Well, eliminate pop-up and fogging. Smooth out all those polygon-deficient shapes. Add detail here and there.
But so far as i can tell, all that's been done, and nicely so.
What about effects and detail like we see in, for example star fox screen shots?
I have to say, i really don't think that kind of detail has a place in a title like mario sunshine. The cartoony feel is based on the simple colors and textures that we are familiar with. It's somewhat similar to cell shading in the overall result.
If nintendo start to add fine effects like we see in the star fox adventures -the fur, backgrounds and detail- we cease to have something with that mario style. I really don't want to see that happen.
Maybe one more example of what i mean. Remember the sr news story on the futurama license? If not, the details aren't really important. Just consider the style of the cartoon - nice and simple colors and textures. The story mentioned how the game would almost mirror the apperance of the cartoon. I think this is similar to the mario sunshine style, it has to be kept simple, or it wouldn't look like the tv series, however nice the graphics were.
So maybe we don't need to see graphic boundaries pushed back too far in mario sunshine. Maybe they've reached the ideal already.
Here's a discussion I had with someone about the Mario screens this mornin' :-
[11:32] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: p.s. the lastest screenshots of mario sunshine, metroid, and zelda (esp. zelda) are extremely unimpressive
[11:33] Cooky says: :P
[11:33] Cooky says: i'm just looking at them now as a matter of fact
[11:33] Cooky says: Mario looks GREAT
[11:33] Cooky says: http://www.nintendo.com/games/ gamepage/gamepage_main.jsp?gameId=824
[11:33] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: see...i look at jet set radio future...which im gettin tommorrow funnily enough...and it look amazing on the screenies, and videos....but mario sunshire and the rest just dont look that good
[11:34] Cooky says: different graphical style
[11:34] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: woooooooa....hold on there kid...theyre on nintendo.com
[11:34] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: = bias
[11:34] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: = pr b*******
[11:34] Cooky says: screenshot = bias
[11:34] Cooky says: ay
[11:35] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: roflmao, even the screenies on there look unimpressive
[11:35] Cooky says: check the 3rd one down
[11:35] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ok mayb ninty.com aint bias...they could at least show good screenies
[11:36] Cooky says: i admit they r a bit low quality, but i LUV MARIO! if i was a woman i'd want his kids
[11:36] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ok so im lookin at the 3rd one...and it looks ood because??? there are 2 polygons in the whole image and it looks like an n64 port?
[11:37] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: go look at jet set radio future...again a cartoon style game. and look at mario sunshine.... :/
[11:37] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ok there will HOPEFULLY be the gameplay in there
[11:37] Cooky says: and this is only 1 level! :|
[11:37] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: but graphically those screenshots DO NOT cut the grade
[11:38] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ive seen screenshos of loads of different levels
[11:38] Cooky says: yer i admit, that it does look quite a bit like Mario 64, but with Mario with a few more polys on him
[11:39] Cooky says: but if there's one thing i always know! NEVER judge a Nintendo game till you've played it
[11:41] Cooky says: http://www.nintendo.com/games/
gamepage/screenshots.jsp?gameId=824
[11:52] Cooky says: 63days 11hrs 7mins 30secs
[11:52] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: doesnt matter, those screenshots are still dog****
[11:52] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: :p
[11:53] Cooky says: :'(
[11:55] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ure only cryin cos u kno its true :P
[11:55] Cooky says: sci r bringing a rally game to GC! yay
[11:55] Cooky says: i admit there not as good as they should be
[11:55] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: Sci...lol...nooooooooooo
[11:55] Cooky says: i think they'll look better come release day
[11:56] Cooky says: maybe if i get a job at sci i can play test it for em :D
[11:56] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: rite m8, im gone, cyas l8r :P
[11:57] Cooky says: :'(
[11:57] Cooky says: cya l8r
Dunno why I'm postin' this. Just had a bit of a discussion about the Mario Sunshine that I thought I'd share!
:)
[11:32] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: p.s. the lastest screenshots of mario sunshine, metroid, and zelda (esp. zelda) are extremely unimpressive
[11:33] Cooky says: :P
[11:33] Cooky says: i'm just looking at them now as a matter of fact
[11:33] Cooky says: Mario looks GREAT
[11:33] Cooky says: http://www.nintendo.com/games/ gamepage/gamepage_main.jsp?gameId=824
[11:33] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: see...i look at jet set radio future...which im gettin tommorrow funnily enough...and it look amazing on the screenies, and videos....but mario sunshire and the rest just dont look that good
[11:34] Cooky says: different graphical style
[11:34] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: woooooooa....hold on there kid...theyre on nintendo.com
[11:34] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: = bias
[11:34] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: = pr b*******
[11:34] Cooky says: screenshot = bias
[11:34] Cooky says: ay
[11:35] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: roflmao, even the screenies on there look unimpressive
[11:35] Cooky says: check the 3rd one down
[11:35] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ok mayb ninty.com aint bias...they could at least show good screenies
[11:36] Cooky says: i admit they r a bit low quality, but i LUV MARIO! if i was a woman i'd want his kids
[11:36] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ok so im lookin at the 3rd one...and it looks ood because??? there are 2 polygons in the whole image and it looks like an n64 port?
[11:37] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: go look at jet set radio future...again a cartoon style game. and look at mario sunshine.... :/
[11:37] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ok there will HOPEFULLY be the gameplay in there
[11:37] Cooky says: and this is only 1 level! :|
[11:37] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: but graphically those screenshots DO NOT cut the grade
[11:38] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ive seen screenshos of loads of different levels
[11:38] Cooky says: yer i admit, that it does look quite a bit like Mario 64, but with Mario with a few more polys on him
[11:39] Cooky says: but if there's one thing i always know! NEVER judge a Nintendo game till you've played it
[11:41] Cooky says: http://www.nintendo.com/games/
gamepage/screenshots.jsp?gameId=824
[11:52] Cooky says: 63days 11hrs 7mins 30secs
[11:52] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: doesnt matter, those screenshots are still dog****
[11:52] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: :p
[11:53] Cooky says: :'(
[11:55] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: ure only cryin cos u kno its true :P
[11:55] Cooky says: sci r bringing a rally game to GC! yay
[11:55] Cooky says: i admit there not as good as they should be
[11:55] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: Sci...lol...nooooooooooo
[11:55] Cooky says: i think they'll look better come release day
[11:56] Cooky says: maybe if i get a job at sci i can play test it for em :D
[11:56] Tim - Stressed, leave me alone :p says: rite m8, im gone, cyas l8r :P
[11:57] Cooky says: :'(
[11:57] Cooky says: cya l8r
Dunno why I'm postin' this. Just had a bit of a discussion about the Mario Sunshine that I thought I'd share!
:)
They are in game shots as it is due summer and it isnt cel-shaded so it isn't like Zelda...
Mario has always been colourful and not detailed and that is they way it will be and to me it looks gorgeous, especially todays shots.
Definatly my most anticipated game.
Mario has always been colourful and not detailed and that is they way it will be and to me it looks gorgeous, especially todays shots.
Definatly my most anticipated game.
I reckon as long as the levels are differnet from mario 64 and the cartoon graphics aren't taken away then i'll like it.
ps if you know anythign about GBA's then read my new thread.
Thanks.
ps if you know anythign about GBA's then read my new thread.
Thanks.
Sorry about that, I got disconnected while the message was posted, and it then said i'd left a the field blank! So I went back to post it, and then there were 2!
I'm confident that Mario Sunshine will still be a great game, despite it's appearence. Just like Zelda!
This is all just as long as it plays at least SOMETHING like Mario 64.
I don't think we can consider those screen shots as final in-game shots, as they may not even be proper Beta-version ones!
I don't really find the idea of using a water-cannon to clean paint off of the walls as too intreaging, but i'm sure we'll get to spray people in the face! :D
I also agree with your point about how we need it's appearence to have certain boundries, otherwise it just wouldn't be Mario!
I think you were right to make this a seperate topic.
This is all just as long as it plays at least SOMETHING like Mario 64.
I don't think we can consider those screen shots as final in-game shots, as they may not even be proper Beta-version ones!
I don't really find the idea of using a water-cannon to clean paint off of the walls as too intreaging, but i'm sure we'll get to spray people in the face! :D
I also agree with your point about how we need it's appearence to have certain boundries, otherwise it just wouldn't be Mario!
I think you were right to make this a seperate topic.
I'm confident that Mario Sunshine will still be a great game, despite it's appearence. Just like Zelda!
This is all just as long as it plays at least SOMETHING like Mario 64.
I don't think we can consider those screen shots as final in-game shots, as they may not even be proper Beta-version ones!
I don't really find the idea of using a water-cannon to clean paint off of the walls as too intreaging, but i'm sure we'll get to spray people in the face! :D
I also agree with your point about how we need it's appearence to have certain boundries, otherwise it just wouldn't be Mario!
I think you were right to make this a seperate topic.
This is all just as long as it plays at least SOMETHING like Mario 64.
I don't think we can consider those screen shots as final in-game shots, as they may not even be proper Beta-version ones!
I don't really find the idea of using a water-cannon to clean paint off of the walls as too intreaging, but i'm sure we'll get to spray people in the face! :D
I also agree with your point about how we need it's appearence to have certain boundries, otherwise it just wouldn't be Mario!
I think you were right to make this a seperate topic.
Just a quick one - i was going to put it in another topic, but thought it might need a new one.
So we've seen the screen shots (i've even managed to see them in more than 16 colors : ) ), and nobody is really impressed. One argument in their defense is that they are only still images, which may not protray the game as well as clips showing motion. Other arguments suggest that it's early enough to expect noticable improvements.
I have another theory.
Consider mario 64. Now, to me, mario sunshine fills the same kind of mould, in playing style, but particularly in the apperance of the game - simple and cartoony.
How much graphical 'improvement' can the game really take?
Well, eliminate pop-up and fogging. Smooth out all those polygon-deficient shapes. Add detail here and there.
But so far as i can tell, all that's been done, and nicely so.
What about effects and detail like we see in, for example star fox screen shots?
I have to say, i really don't think that kind of detail has a place in a title like mario sunshine. The cartoony feel is based on the simple colors and textures that we are familiar with. It's somewhat similar to cell shading in the overall result.
If nintendo start to add fine effects like we see in the star fox adventures -the fur, backgrounds and detail- we cease to have something with that mario style. I really don't want to see that happen.
Maybe one more example of what i mean. Remember the sr news story on the futurama license? If not, the details aren't really important. Just consider the style of the cartoon - nice and simple colors and textures. The story mentioned how the game would almost mirror the apperance of the cartoon. I think this is similar to the mario sunshine style, it has to be kept simple, or it wouldn't look like the tv series, however nice the graphics were.
So maybe we don't need to see graphic boundaries pushed back too far in mario sunshine. Maybe they've reached the ideal already.
So we've seen the screen shots (i've even managed to see them in more than 16 colors : ) ), and nobody is really impressed. One argument in their defense is that they are only still images, which may not protray the game as well as clips showing motion. Other arguments suggest that it's early enough to expect noticable improvements.
I have another theory.
Consider mario 64. Now, to me, mario sunshine fills the same kind of mould, in playing style, but particularly in the apperance of the game - simple and cartoony.
How much graphical 'improvement' can the game really take?
Well, eliminate pop-up and fogging. Smooth out all those polygon-deficient shapes. Add detail here and there.
But so far as i can tell, all that's been done, and nicely so.
What about effects and detail like we see in, for example star fox screen shots?
I have to say, i really don't think that kind of detail has a place in a title like mario sunshine. The cartoony feel is based on the simple colors and textures that we are familiar with. It's somewhat similar to cell shading in the overall result.
If nintendo start to add fine effects like we see in the star fox adventures -the fur, backgrounds and detail- we cease to have something with that mario style. I really don't want to see that happen.
Maybe one more example of what i mean. Remember the sr news story on the futurama license? If not, the details aren't really important. Just consider the style of the cartoon - nice and simple colors and textures. The story mentioned how the game would almost mirror the apperance of the cartoon. I think this is similar to the mario sunshine style, it has to be kept simple, or it wouldn't look like the tv series, however nice the graphics were.
So maybe we don't need to see graphic boundaries pushed back too far in mario sunshine. Maybe they've reached the ideal already.