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The majority of modern Hollywood films are infantile. They take no knowledge of life, no sensitivity of emotions, to understand them. Film teachers and most critics like films like BladeRunner and or Pulp Fiction they can be explained to a film or media class with ten catch phrases in fifty minutes.
Requiring no understanding of people, no cultural awareness or historical knowledge. Steven Speilberg tried to break this cycle with ‘A.I.’, he wanted to show something about life, about the difference between people, and about emotional confusion. However his attempt was in vain with most of the reasons being that nobody wanted a film they had to think about.
Nobody cared too much about paying to watch a film to see an amazingly interesting philosophical question put across. This was a rare film that was thrown back by critics, even the newest Hollywood ‘thought processing’ film ‘Vanilla Sky’ has been hit around by critics who cannot be bothered to read into the meanings and subtext in the film.
Hollywood will therefore continue to produce infantile films that don’t threaten the audience into thought. They are weightless emotional experiences. Nothing serious at stake. If it makes money, Hollywood will make it. As sad as that is. Its true. :(
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er-no
Requiring no understanding of people, no cultural awareness or historical knowledge. Steven Speilberg tried to break this cycle with ‘A.I.’, he wanted to show something about life, about the difference between people, and about emotional confusion. However his attempt was in vain with most of the reasons being that nobody wanted a film they had to think about.
Nobody cared too much about paying to watch a film to see an amazingly interesting philosophical question put across. This was a rare film that was thrown back by critics, even the newest Hollywood ‘thought processing’ film ‘Vanilla Sky’ has been hit around by critics who cannot be bothered to read into the meanings and subtext in the film.
Hollywood will therefore continue to produce infantile films that don’t threaten the audience into thought. They are weightless emotional experiences. Nothing serious at stake. If it makes money, Hollywood will make it. As sad as that is. Its true. :(
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er-no
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Why is everyone a David?
Because otherwise we'd all be called Hank
Because otherwise we'd all be called Hank
Small Frog wrote:
I found AI haunting and depressing (with the
> exception of the last half-hour or so), and thought it was one of the best films
> I have seen for a long time.
Right. First off, I loved A.I. I thought it was great. It wasn't depressing to me, although some of it was a bit chilling. The last half hour though, is the part that I DID find depressing. That should have been cut without a doubt!
"David had never had a birthday because David had never been born. So they baked a cake......and then they drew some pictures."
That was actually painful to watch for me. And the high tech robots at the end with 2000 years later appearing on the screen was like something out of Monty Python. They should have ended it once the narration had ended under the water.
When I get the DVD (March 18th it is out) I shall stop it at that part every time. I couldn't stand the ending. Hated it the first time, pulled my hair out the second time. I swear, I didn't look like Homer Simpson before!! :-D
And also, am I the only one to notice that basically everybody in the world is called David. In real life, in films and in games. Everyone is David!!
David Aames (Vanilla Sky)
David (A.I)
Dav1d (this site)
I know 5 Davids at school!
David Hayter (voice of Solid Snake)
(Even Snake's real name is David!)
Why is everbody a David!?!?!
I found AI haunting and depressing (with the
> exception of the last half-hour or so), and thought it was one of the best films
> I have seen for a long time.
Right. First off, I loved A.I. I thought it was great. It wasn't depressing to me, although some of it was a bit chilling. The last half hour though, is the part that I DID find depressing. That should have been cut without a doubt!
"David had never had a birthday because David had never been born. So they baked a cake......and then they drew some pictures."
That was actually painful to watch for me. And the high tech robots at the end with 2000 years later appearing on the screen was like something out of Monty Python. They should have ended it once the narration had ended under the water.
When I get the DVD (March 18th it is out) I shall stop it at that part every time. I couldn't stand the ending. Hated it the first time, pulled my hair out the second time. I swear, I didn't look like Homer Simpson before!! :-D
And also, am I the only one to notice that basically everybody in the world is called David. In real life, in films and in games. Everyone is David!!
David Aames (Vanilla Sky)
David (A.I)
Dav1d (this site)
I know 5 Davids at school!
David Hayter (voice of Solid Snake)
(Even Snake's real name is David!)
Why is everbody a David!?!?!
Damn good point Snuggly. I'm watching Rush Hour 2 as we type. Not amazing, but very funny. I need cheering up, and my recently arrived copy of Battle Royale ain't the way to do that. it can wait.
Yup, agree with Snuggly. Went to see Ocean's Eleven the other day... not that mentally challenging, but excellent all the same.
Now just for The Rat Pack to come out on DVD for me to have a look at.
Now just for The Rat Pack to come out on DVD for me to have a look at.
If you spent your life watching thought-provoking, harrowing dramas, how depressed would you be? I like to sit down and watch some real no-brainer films sometimes, I just like to escape, and have a laugh.
American Beauty, good example.
Intelligent, funny at times, and real.
I don't know, I think that there are plenty of movies out there that are though-provoking, or clever, probably more than there are mindless action flicks. Seven and Fight Club both work on a different level as they have the basic action appeal, as well as the deeper substance, and this is good to see. Fincher's next movie "The Panic Room" is due out later this year, so I look forward to that.
Then again, I can't wait to see Spiderman. I doubt there will be much substance there, plenty of action though, and web-slinging and the like.
A healthy mix of mindlessness and though-provoking movies compliment each other nicely, I believe.
Intelligent, funny at times, and real.
I don't know, I think that there are plenty of movies out there that are though-provoking, or clever, probably more than there are mindless action flicks. Seven and Fight Club both work on a different level as they have the basic action appeal, as well as the deeper substance, and this is good to see. Fincher's next movie "The Panic Room" is due out later this year, so I look forward to that.
Then again, I can't wait to see Spiderman. I doubt there will be much substance there, plenty of action though, and web-slinging and the like.
A healthy mix of mindlessness and though-provoking movies compliment each other nicely, I believe.
I'm not actually too bothered whether hollywood makes intelligent films or not. I'd rather they make good films. Films like L.A. Confidential may not have had layers of hidden meanings, but they proved that hollywood was capable of making damn fine films and not the money-spinning dross that they usually churn out.
I don't mind good action films, and I don't like poorly made stabs at intelligent films, and vice versa. The problem for me is that Hollywood trys to tap into the current zeitgeist as quickly as possible and ends up producing something bad/boring/pointless. All the Hell-yeah God bless America films that are being rolled ou by the dozen at the moment have been rushed to coincide with the current patriotic spirit of the American market and these films have on the whole been sub-standard.
Once Hollywood starts making good films again then intelligent films will flow naturally but until then you'll have to look outside Hollywood, keep your ear to the ground for releases of intelligent films on DVD. I'm currently waiting for 'The Believer' to come out on DVD (it didn't get shown by many cinemas). It's about a Jewish youth who becomes a neo-nazi because he hates his heritage so much. It looks like an intelligent, challenging film and I admit that it more than proves your point that intelligent films get bogged down by pap films churned out by Hollywood.
Still, once Hollywood starts producing good films again - American Beauty was a start - we might finally see some intelligent stuff coming through.
I don't mind good action films, and I don't like poorly made stabs at intelligent films, and vice versa. The problem for me is that Hollywood trys to tap into the current zeitgeist as quickly as possible and ends up producing something bad/boring/pointless. All the Hell-yeah God bless America films that are being rolled ou by the dozen at the moment have been rushed to coincide with the current patriotic spirit of the American market and these films have on the whole been sub-standard.
Once Hollywood starts making good films again then intelligent films will flow naturally but until then you'll have to look outside Hollywood, keep your ear to the ground for releases of intelligent films on DVD. I'm currently waiting for 'The Believer' to come out on DVD (it didn't get shown by many cinemas). It's about a Jewish youth who becomes a neo-nazi because he hates his heritage so much. It looks like an intelligent, challenging film and I admit that it more than proves your point that intelligent films get bogged down by pap films churned out by Hollywood.
Still, once Hollywood starts producing good films again - American Beauty was a start - we might finally see some intelligent stuff coming through.
You like A.I? Tell Vottanator, he'll want your babies.
Small Frog wrote:
Hollywood is not infantile, they are simply
> trying to make films that appeal to a mass-market. These are the young-to-mid
> teens, and this group likes easy-to-understand action films (a general
> statement, you understand). Hollywood directors are just trying to make money.
And therefore... Hollywood films are infantile (bar a couple).
Hollywood is not infantile, they are simply
> trying to make films that appeal to a mass-market. These are the young-to-mid
> teens, and this group likes easy-to-understand action films (a general
> statement, you understand). Hollywood directors are just trying to make money.
And therefore... Hollywood films are infantile (bar a couple).
By the sound of things, Mr Er-No is one of those people who likes to think about a film when they watched it. I found AI haunting and depressing (with the exception of the last half-hour or so), and thought it was one of the best films I have seen for a long time.
Hollywood is not infantile, they are simply trying to make films that appeal to a mass-market. These are the young-to-mid teens, and this group likes easy-to-understand action films (a general statement, you understand). Hollywood directors are just trying to make money.
Hollywood is not infantile, they are simply trying to make films that appeal to a mass-market. These are the young-to-mid teens, and this group likes easy-to-understand action films (a general statement, you understand). Hollywood directors are just trying to make money.
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