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Now, any company who doesn't learn from their own mistakes will sink faster than Gary Barlow's career as a solo artist.
Nintendo at least, are able to do that *most* of the time. They release a 64-bit cartidge based console in a market of CD based consoles, it gets little third party support, so they ditch cartridges (to name but one example).
What they don't seem to do though, is pay any attention to their competitors. In fact it seems more like they deliberately ignore them, supposing themselves to be superior in some way perhaps? This is asking for trouble.
Nintendo aren't afraid to try something different, (in fact, I think they may very well be afraid to try anything which isn't different - which could be even more dangerous) and they do like to show off their innovation. This is all well and good, and it reaps some great advantages, but being different doesn't always mean better. Nintendo are very relucant to swallow their pride and take ideas from rivals, no matter how good.
I'm sure they had some very good reasons for using cartridges on the N64, and I suspect many of you can remember more of them than me. However, the fact remains that the disadvantages outweighed the advantages, as it turned out. Developers flocked to CD's instead, and the N64 was left with few games.
This time round online gaming is rumored to be the next big thing. Many Dreamcast and PS2 owners have cited it as the reason they bought their respective consoles. Now, the GC does have space for a modem to be plugged in, but Nintendo have not exactly been stirring up a blizzard of excitement over the online possibilities. When Edge visited Nintendo HQ last summer, Nintendo made it clear that they weren't too bothered about online gaming just yet, because they felt they could go a lot further with standard gaming first.
Now, why did they say this? Surely as the next 'step forward', Nintendo should be leaping on this and taking the place by storm with revolutionary mass-multiplayer games?
But wait, they didn't think of it first, so it can't be that great an idea, can it? Best do things their own way. Can't have their image tarnished by leaping on a bandwagon, can they?
Well, at least they have been smart enough to allow online capabilties at all.
Ditto with DVD's. Fair point made by Nintendo, they aren't really to do with gaming so they can be left out. Also a very nice way of saying that they don't want to copy that idea either.
Now, I'm not saying Nintendo are right, and I'm not saying that they are wrong. I'm just saying that it doesn't hurt to swallow your pride and take a leaf out of someone else's book every once in a while.
Nintendo at least, are able to do that *most* of the time. They release a 64-bit cartidge based console in a market of CD based consoles, it gets little third party support, so they ditch cartridges (to name but one example).
What they don't seem to do though, is pay any attention to their competitors. In fact it seems more like they deliberately ignore them, supposing themselves to be superior in some way perhaps? This is asking for trouble.
Nintendo aren't afraid to try something different, (in fact, I think they may very well be afraid to try anything which isn't different - which could be even more dangerous) and they do like to show off their innovation. This is all well and good, and it reaps some great advantages, but being different doesn't always mean better. Nintendo are very relucant to swallow their pride and take ideas from rivals, no matter how good.
I'm sure they had some very good reasons for using cartridges on the N64, and I suspect many of you can remember more of them than me. However, the fact remains that the disadvantages outweighed the advantages, as it turned out. Developers flocked to CD's instead, and the N64 was left with few games.
This time round online gaming is rumored to be the next big thing. Many Dreamcast and PS2 owners have cited it as the reason they bought their respective consoles. Now, the GC does have space for a modem to be plugged in, but Nintendo have not exactly been stirring up a blizzard of excitement over the online possibilities. When Edge visited Nintendo HQ last summer, Nintendo made it clear that they weren't too bothered about online gaming just yet, because they felt they could go a lot further with standard gaming first.
Now, why did they say this? Surely as the next 'step forward', Nintendo should be leaping on this and taking the place by storm with revolutionary mass-multiplayer games?
But wait, they didn't think of it first, so it can't be that great an idea, can it? Best do things their own way. Can't have their image tarnished by leaping on a bandwagon, can they?
Well, at least they have been smart enough to allow online capabilties at all.
Ditto with DVD's. Fair point made by Nintendo, they aren't really to do with gaming so they can be left out. Also a very nice way of saying that they don't want to copy that idea either.
Now, I'm not saying Nintendo are right, and I'm not saying that they are wrong. I'm just saying that it doesn't hurt to swallow your pride and take a leaf out of someone else's book every once in a while.
i agree with the majority of whats been said, as ive said before (if any of you have noticed) i think ninty should keep less game secrets (not tell everything, but they are sly sometimes - Zelda again springs to mind) and they should ask the public more often, if the public want online capability , give it to them, dvd's - give it to them, Zelda not in cel shaded - give it to them.
They would do a lot better, but again i still buy their products and games...
They would do a lot better, but again i still buy their products and games...
I would say that (even though I am a Ninty fan) that Nintendo are far too arrogant towards the companies working for them and the fans.
They have said nothing really about online gaming at all and they didn't tell us the release until a few weeks ago and that really p!$$ed some people off and so did the new Zelda look.
Basically Ninty are quite arrogant to their fans..... I mean very arrogant. :D
I still like them though!
They have said nothing really about online gaming at all and they didn't tell us the release until a few weeks ago and that really p!$$ed some people off and so did the new Zelda look.
Basically Ninty are quite arrogant to their fans..... I mean very arrogant. :D
I still like them though!
Personally I think Ninty were wise not to go straight in to the online gaming idea. In UK for example broadband still isn't really up and running, and very slow gaming would ensue. I think Ninty will wait for a year or so then decide whether it is worth going on the online train.
On DVDs, most people willing to spend Ł100s on games are very likely to have a DVD already, be it in PS2, or PC, or an external DVD player. The idea to have 2 types of GC, one with DVD one without is a masterstroke. Apparently the Q has sold very well in Japan, and the GC is picking up (finally) too.
On DVDs, most people willing to spend Ł100s on games are very likely to have a DVD already, be it in PS2, or PC, or an external DVD player. The idea to have 2 types of GC, one with DVD one without is a masterstroke. Apparently the Q has sold very well in Japan, and the GC is picking up (finally) too.
slave2games wrote:
> Doesn't anyone see this as a masterstroke by Nintendo? Think about it, they
> don't want to rush into the online market because it hasn't REALLY taken off
> yet. They in fact get tyhe chance to see how well it does, or how their
> competitiors handle it. Granted, this could give Microsoft and SONY the head
> start if it does take off, but if it is bad, or only gets an average reception
> for the public, then Nintendo still have their gaming heratige intact, and will
> not be known for jumping on the bandwagon which has been many developers'
> downfall
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If it DOES take off (which it most likely will) then Nintendo will already know the do's and don'ts, instead of the trial and error routine Sony and Microsoft have to do
Nintendo learn from their opponent's mistakes
> Doesn't anyone see this as a masterstroke by Nintendo? Think about it, they
> don't want to rush into the online market because it hasn't REALLY taken off
> yet. They in fact get tyhe chance to see how well it does, or how their
> competitiors handle it. Granted, this could give Microsoft and SONY the head
> start if it does take off, but if it is bad, or only gets an average reception
> for the public, then Nintendo still have their gaming heratige intact, and will
> not be known for jumping on the bandwagon which has been many developers'
> downfall
---------
If it DOES take off (which it most likely will) then Nintendo will already know the do's and don'ts, instead of the trial and error routine Sony and Microsoft have to do
Nintendo learn from their opponent's mistakes
Doesn't anyone see this as a masterstroke by Nintendo? Think about it, they don't want to rush into the online market because it hasn't REALLY taken off yet. They in fact get tyhe chance to see how well it does, or how their competitiors handle it. Granted, this could give Microsoft and SONY the head start if it does take off, but if it is bad, or only gets an average reception for the public, then Nintendo still have their gaming heratige intact, and will not be known for jumping on the bandwagon which has been many developers' downfall
Online gaming will come to the Gamecube, and the early seeds of it were planted years ago.
The Pokémon link-up thing gives people their first taste of interconnectivity.
All Nintendo would have to do to make it a success would be to launch a Pokémon online game. Trade and battle around the world.
But they wait. No doubt because they don't want to be a one-trick pony yet again. N64 with only Mario64?
Nintendo online with only Pokémon would not be a good idea.
Phantasy Star Online is still on it's way, and I bet Nintendo announce a couple of games of their own to try to boost the online side of things.
Still, why do they have to go in all guns blazing? Just tacking on a few online features would introduce people slowly, then hit them with a fully online game.
You're right though, too often they dismiss what the competition is doing, and head in a different direction. Goodbye realistic graphics, PS2 and Xbox can do that.
At least being individual will forever keep them in their own niché? Just maybe not always a successful one.
The Pokémon link-up thing gives people their first taste of interconnectivity.
All Nintendo would have to do to make it a success would be to launch a Pokémon online game. Trade and battle around the world.
But they wait. No doubt because they don't want to be a one-trick pony yet again. N64 with only Mario64?
Nintendo online with only Pokémon would not be a good idea.
Phantasy Star Online is still on it's way, and I bet Nintendo announce a couple of games of their own to try to boost the online side of things.
Still, why do they have to go in all guns blazing? Just tacking on a few online features would introduce people slowly, then hit them with a fully online game.
You're right though, too often they dismiss what the competition is doing, and head in a different direction. Goodbye realistic graphics, PS2 and Xbox can do that.
At least being individual will forever keep them in their own niché? Just maybe not always a successful one.
Nintendo definately needed to examine theiur competetiors a litle closer.
why?
Becase they could've ;earned a few things instead of diving in headfirst not knowing anythng at all.
They rushed the GameCube somehwat and if they spent some more time with the GameCube they could make it a whole lot better.
But who's to say it's not good already.
They've certainly been hard at work but nt quite hard enough.
Anyway good post mate!
why?
Becase they could've ;earned a few things instead of diving in headfirst not knowing anythng at all.
They rushed the GameCube somehwat and if they spent some more time with the GameCube they could make it a whole lot better.
But who's to say it's not good already.
They've certainly been hard at work but nt quite hard enough.
Anyway good post mate!
I think its more of a case of Nintendo not wanting to fail.
Online gaming for consoles is a very new thing, and Nintendo may be sceptical as to how successful it will be going down that path.
Nintendo have had thier few failures in the past. The N64 DD and the Virtual Boy are probably the worst. These failures have probably made them much more wary when they try new things. If online gaming is a success I'm sure Nintendo will follow suit.
Online gaming for consoles is a very new thing, and Nintendo may be sceptical as to how successful it will be going down that path.
Nintendo have had thier few failures in the past. The N64 DD and the Virtual Boy are probably the worst. These failures have probably made them much more wary when they try new things. If online gaming is a success I'm sure Nintendo will follow suit.
Now, any company who doesn't learn from their own mistakes will sink faster than Gary Barlow's career as a solo artist.
Nintendo at least, are able to do that *most* of the time. They release a 64-bit cartidge based console in a market of CD based consoles, it gets little third party support, so they ditch cartridges (to name but one example).
What they don't seem to do though, is pay any attention to their competitors. In fact it seems more like they deliberately ignore them, supposing themselves to be superior in some way perhaps? This is asking for trouble.
Nintendo aren't afraid to try something different, (in fact, I think they may very well be afraid to try anything which isn't different - which could be even more dangerous) and they do like to show off their innovation. This is all well and good, and it reaps some great advantages, but being different doesn't always mean better. Nintendo are very relucant to swallow their pride and take ideas from rivals, no matter how good.
I'm sure they had some very good reasons for using cartridges on the N64, and I suspect many of you can remember more of them than me. However, the fact remains that the disadvantages outweighed the advantages, as it turned out. Developers flocked to CD's instead, and the N64 was left with few games.
This time round online gaming is rumored to be the next big thing. Many Dreamcast and PS2 owners have cited it as the reason they bought their respective consoles. Now, the GC does have space for a modem to be plugged in, but Nintendo have not exactly been stirring up a blizzard of excitement over the online possibilities. When Edge visited Nintendo HQ last summer, Nintendo made it clear that they weren't too bothered about online gaming just yet, because they felt they could go a lot further with standard gaming first.
Now, why did they say this? Surely as the next 'step forward', Nintendo should be leaping on this and taking the place by storm with revolutionary mass-multiplayer games?
But wait, they didn't think of it first, so it can't be that great an idea, can it? Best do things their own way. Can't have their image tarnished by leaping on a bandwagon, can they?
Well, at least they have been smart enough to allow online capabilties at all.
Ditto with DVD's. Fair point made by Nintendo, they aren't really to do with gaming so they can be left out. Also a very nice way of saying that they don't want to copy that idea either.
Now, I'm not saying Nintendo are right, and I'm not saying that they are wrong. I'm just saying that it doesn't hurt to swallow your pride and take a leaf out of someone else's book every once in a while.
Nintendo at least, are able to do that *most* of the time. They release a 64-bit cartidge based console in a market of CD based consoles, it gets little third party support, so they ditch cartridges (to name but one example).
What they don't seem to do though, is pay any attention to their competitors. In fact it seems more like they deliberately ignore them, supposing themselves to be superior in some way perhaps? This is asking for trouble.
Nintendo aren't afraid to try something different, (in fact, I think they may very well be afraid to try anything which isn't different - which could be even more dangerous) and they do like to show off their innovation. This is all well and good, and it reaps some great advantages, but being different doesn't always mean better. Nintendo are very relucant to swallow their pride and take ideas from rivals, no matter how good.
I'm sure they had some very good reasons for using cartridges on the N64, and I suspect many of you can remember more of them than me. However, the fact remains that the disadvantages outweighed the advantages, as it turned out. Developers flocked to CD's instead, and the N64 was left with few games.
This time round online gaming is rumored to be the next big thing. Many Dreamcast and PS2 owners have cited it as the reason they bought their respective consoles. Now, the GC does have space for a modem to be plugged in, but Nintendo have not exactly been stirring up a blizzard of excitement over the online possibilities. When Edge visited Nintendo HQ last summer, Nintendo made it clear that they weren't too bothered about online gaming just yet, because they felt they could go a lot further with standard gaming first.
Now, why did they say this? Surely as the next 'step forward', Nintendo should be leaping on this and taking the place by storm with revolutionary mass-multiplayer games?
But wait, they didn't think of it first, so it can't be that great an idea, can it? Best do things their own way. Can't have their image tarnished by leaping on a bandwagon, can they?
Well, at least they have been smart enough to allow online capabilties at all.
Ditto with DVD's. Fair point made by Nintendo, they aren't really to do with gaming so they can be left out. Also a very nice way of saying that they don't want to copy that idea either.
Now, I'm not saying Nintendo are right, and I'm not saying that they are wrong. I'm just saying that it doesn't hurt to swallow your pride and take a leaf out of someone else's book every once in a while.