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I started this thread with a conversation I had with someone earlier fresh in the memory.
I am talking about education, and the importance of grades or "exam results".
The conversation I had with this person was basically a strewn about idea, with any basis of concrete evidence merely adding to what would otherwise have been a pretty short and pointless argument. The idea she based the starting point on was that grades merely added to the pressure of performing well in tests, and in turn, made you perform worse for it. My argument was that grades are used as a means of showing your progression in education, and should encourage people to want to perform better, and tests themselves in the hope that the grade they received could go higher the next time.
It boiled down to me thinking; if we didn't have grades, were would the drive to succeed come from?
It is basically mans desire to win, or do better than, so if you took this away, then the motivation to do well would be lost. You could argue that grades DO in fact add to the pressure, and that they are an unnecessary obstacle to overcome in your hope of a good result. But if there weren't any visible signs of how well you have done, then the very basis of achieving the good result would be meaningless. It is the standards from which the grades are bracketed, which make the person want to perform to that level, be it that or a higher level/grade. This makes the grades necessary, but also, compulsory and a strong wish for it to stay like that.
Life is all about pushing yourself to the best of your ability, and reaching the goals you have set yourself, and in a smaller scale, grades reflect that desire. Eliminating them from tests is like eliminating even the lowest standards. You wouldn't know what was a good result, because bad results would be put in the same category, and although there would be no pressure, it is that point what would eventually make the persons abilitys deteriorate.
Some of my friends say themselves that grades are pointless, and have no bearing on their performance. But it is not knowingly, but almost subconciously that we wish to better ourselves in everything we do.
I have thought very strongly about this case and hope that grades do stay an integral part of everyday life and society.
Thanks for reading something which I feel very strongly about, and hope to continue in the near and long-term future.
I am talking about education, and the importance of grades or "exam results".
The conversation I had with this person was basically a strewn about idea, with any basis of concrete evidence merely adding to what would otherwise have been a pretty short and pointless argument. The idea she based the starting point on was that grades merely added to the pressure of performing well in tests, and in turn, made you perform worse for it. My argument was that grades are used as a means of showing your progression in education, and should encourage people to want to perform better, and tests themselves in the hope that the grade they received could go higher the next time.
It boiled down to me thinking; if we didn't have grades, were would the drive to succeed come from?
It is basically mans desire to win, or do better than, so if you took this away, then the motivation to do well would be lost. You could argue that grades DO in fact add to the pressure, and that they are an unnecessary obstacle to overcome in your hope of a good result. But if there weren't any visible signs of how well you have done, then the very basis of achieving the good result would be meaningless. It is the standards from which the grades are bracketed, which make the person want to perform to that level, be it that or a higher level/grade. This makes the grades necessary, but also, compulsory and a strong wish for it to stay like that.
Life is all about pushing yourself to the best of your ability, and reaching the goals you have set yourself, and in a smaller scale, grades reflect that desire. Eliminating them from tests is like eliminating even the lowest standards. You wouldn't know what was a good result, because bad results would be put in the same category, and although there would be no pressure, it is that point what would eventually make the persons abilitys deteriorate.
Some of my friends say themselves that grades are pointless, and have no bearing on their performance. But it is not knowingly, but almost subconciously that we wish to better ourselves in everything we do.
I have thought very strongly about this case and hope that grades do stay an integral part of everyday life and society.
Thanks for reading something which I feel very strongly about, and hope to continue in the near and long-term future.
Or†ega wrote:
You work hard all year round and
> find that you get a really crappy grade, just becasue you didnt perform on one
> day. How can judge the performance of of a whole year or whatever on the basis
> of just a few hour exams? Its not right, our final Grade/score whatever should
> be bassed upon an assesment made by our teacher during the year.
Are we talking about grades or exams here? I personnally don't mind exams (well, not strictly true, I don't like doing them, but I don't suffer from the pressure too much and seem to do well in them) but now we have coursework and open-exams, so its not as much of an issue.
Are grades a motivation? Yeah for me they are. I want to be the best. I want to prove to myself that I *can* attain the best grade. Do i think without grades I wouldn't try so hard? That depends what replaced the current system. Would there just be pass/fail? If so you would probably just do enough to pass wouldn't you?
You work hard all year round and
> find that you get a really crappy grade, just becasue you didnt perform on one
> day. How can judge the performance of of a whole year or whatever on the basis
> of just a few hour exams? Its not right, our final Grade/score whatever should
> be bassed upon an assesment made by our teacher during the year.
Are we talking about grades or exams here? I personnally don't mind exams (well, not strictly true, I don't like doing them, but I don't suffer from the pressure too much and seem to do well in them) but now we have coursework and open-exams, so its not as much of an issue.
Are grades a motivation? Yeah for me they are. I want to be the best. I want to prove to myself that I *can* attain the best grade. Do i think without grades I wouldn't try so hard? That depends what replaced the current system. Would there just be pass/fail? If so you would probably just do enough to pass wouldn't you?
They only help you so far. Experience is the name of the game. If there's sommit you want to do, get into it as soon as possible.
*hic* back on the white lightening again.
*hic* back on the white lightening again.
But sometimes grades can be demotivating.
You work hard all year round and find that you get a really crappy grade, just becasue you didnt perform on one day. How can judge the performance of of a whole year or whatever on the basis of just a few hour exams? Its not right, our final Grade/score whatever should be bassed upon an assesment made by our teacher during the year.
You work hard all year round and find that you get a really crappy grade, just becasue you didnt perform on one day. How can judge the performance of of a whole year or whatever on the basis of just a few hour exams? Its not right, our final Grade/score whatever should be bassed upon an assesment made by our teacher during the year.
Don't you guys think the inclusion of grades make you want to succeed further than if there weren't any? I would like to know what you think because, this thread is pretty pointless otherwise ;)
Don't you guys think the inclusion of grades make you want to succeed further than if there weren't any? I would like to know what you think because, this thread is pretty pointless otherwise ;)
Hmmm.. I did a sandwich thingy with my degree too. All it helped me do was drink more expensive alcohol instead of white lightening.
Yep, I understand. That's why I'm doing a degree with a sandwich placement. This way I get some training and some experience, whilst still (hopefully) getting a degree as well!
Isn't it weird how grades seem less important over time - GCSE's seemed REALLY important all those years ago, then your A-levels seem like the most important things. Now they all seem pretty non-important. I mean, I know they got me where I am now, but its always the last thing that you do that seems the most important I guess.
Isn't it weird how grades seem less important over time - GCSE's seemed REALLY important all those years ago, then your A-levels seem like the most important things. Now they all seem pretty non-important. I mean, I know they got me where I am now, but its always the last thing that you do that seems the most important I guess.
These days companies seem more intrested in experience than grades. But how are you sposed to get experience if you need experience at a certain job to get a job. (if you know what I mean) Especialy if it is your first job.
Does this make sense?
Does this make sense?
I started this thread with a conversation I had with someone earlier fresh in the memory.
I am talking about education, and the importance of grades or "exam results".
The conversation I had with this person was basically a strewn about idea, with any basis of concrete evidence merely adding to what would otherwise have been a pretty short and pointless argument. The idea she based the starting point on was that grades merely added to the pressure of performing well in tests, and in turn, made you perform worse for it. My argument was that grades are used as a means of showing your progression in education, and should encourage people to want to perform better, and tests themselves in the hope that the grade they received could go higher the next time.
It boiled down to me thinking; if we didn't have grades, were would the drive to succeed come from?
It is basically mans desire to win, or do better than, so if you took this away, then the motivation to do well would be lost. You could argue that grades DO in fact add to the pressure, and that they are an unnecessary obstacle to overcome in your hope of a good result. But if there weren't any visible signs of how well you have done, then the very basis of achieving the good result would be meaningless. It is the standards from which the grades are bracketed, which make the person want to perform to that level, be it that or a higher level/grade. This makes the grades necessary, but also, compulsory and a strong wish for it to stay like that.
Life is all about pushing yourself to the best of your ability, and reaching the goals you have set yourself, and in a smaller scale, grades reflect that desire. Eliminating them from tests is like eliminating even the lowest standards. You wouldn't know what was a good result, because bad results would be put in the same category, and although there would be no pressure, it is that point what would eventually make the persons abilitys deteriorate.
Some of my friends say themselves that grades are pointless, and have no bearing on their performance. But it is not knowingly, but almost subconciously that we wish to better ourselves in everything we do.
I have thought very strongly about this case and hope that grades do stay an integral part of everyday life and society.
Thanks for reading something which I feel very strongly about, and hope to continue in the near and long-term future.
I am talking about education, and the importance of grades or "exam results".
The conversation I had with this person was basically a strewn about idea, with any basis of concrete evidence merely adding to what would otherwise have been a pretty short and pointless argument. The idea she based the starting point on was that grades merely added to the pressure of performing well in tests, and in turn, made you perform worse for it. My argument was that grades are used as a means of showing your progression in education, and should encourage people to want to perform better, and tests themselves in the hope that the grade they received could go higher the next time.
It boiled down to me thinking; if we didn't have grades, were would the drive to succeed come from?
It is basically mans desire to win, or do better than, so if you took this away, then the motivation to do well would be lost. You could argue that grades DO in fact add to the pressure, and that they are an unnecessary obstacle to overcome in your hope of a good result. But if there weren't any visible signs of how well you have done, then the very basis of achieving the good result would be meaningless. It is the standards from which the grades are bracketed, which make the person want to perform to that level, be it that or a higher level/grade. This makes the grades necessary, but also, compulsory and a strong wish for it to stay like that.
Life is all about pushing yourself to the best of your ability, and reaching the goals you have set yourself, and in a smaller scale, grades reflect that desire. Eliminating them from tests is like eliminating even the lowest standards. You wouldn't know what was a good result, because bad results would be put in the same category, and although there would be no pressure, it is that point what would eventually make the persons abilitys deteriorate.
Some of my friends say themselves that grades are pointless, and have no bearing on their performance. But it is not knowingly, but almost subconciously that we wish to better ourselves in everything we do.
I have thought very strongly about this case and hope that grades do stay an integral part of everyday life and society.
Thanks for reading something which I feel very strongly about, and hope to continue in the near and long-term future.