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About 5 billion, if you agree with Darwin.
Here are some interesting facts I happened across while researching for my physics essay however.....
(Admittedly, this is probably the wrong forum for them, but lets see if anyone here takes a blind bit of notice)
Solar collapse.
Our sun is gradually shrinking at a steady rate. It is occurring fast enough that, as little as 50,000 years ago, the sun would have been so large that our oceans would boil. In far less time in the past (25,000 years or so), all life on earth would have ceased to exist.
Comets.
Comets circle the sun and are assumed to be as old as our solar system. Since they are continually disintegrating, and a number are known to have broken up, evidently all of them self-destruct within a relatively short time period. It is estimated that the comets cannot be over 10,000 years old.
Comet water.
Comets are primarily composed of water. So many small comets strike the earth that, if our planet was billions of years old, our oceans would be filled several times over with water.
Moon dust.
Ultraviolet light changes moon rocks into dust. It had long been predicted that a thick layer of dust (20-60 miles [32-96.5 km], caused by ultraviolet radiation on the moon's 4-billion-year-old surface, must cover the moon's surface. But scientists were astonished to learn that there is not over 2-3 inches [5.08-7.62 cm] of dust—just the amount expected if the moon was only a few thousand years old.
Lunar recession.
The moon is already far too close to the earth. It is now know that, due to tidal friction, it is gradually moving farther away from us. Based on the rate of recession, the moon cannot be very old. If it were even 20,000 to 30,000 years old, it would at some earlier time have been so close—it would have fallen into our planet!
Meteor craters.
Meteor craters are never found in the rock strata! Yet they would be found there, if millions of years were required to lay down that sedimentary strata. Meteor craters always lie close to or on the earth's surface. Thus, all the meteors which have struck the earth—have hit it within the last few thousand years.
Earth rotation.
Because of solar and lunar gravitational drag forces, the spin of the earth (now about 1,000 mph [1,609 kmph]) is gradually slowing down. If our world was billions of years old, it would already have stopped turning. Or, calculating differently, a billion years ago our planet would have been spinning so fast—it would have become a pancake. So, either way, our earth cannot be more than a few thousand years old.
Magnetic field decay.
Earth's magnetic field is slowly, relentlessly lessening. Even 7,000 years ago, the earth would have had a magnetic field 32 times stronger than it is now. Only 20,000 years ago, enough heat would have been generated to liquefy the planet. Therefore, the earth cannot be over 6,000 or 7,000 years old. This is an important matter, affects the entire planet, and has been measured for over 150 years.
Erosion in the ocean.
We do not find the erosion in the ocean floors which ought to be there if the world were millions or billions of years old. There are ragged cliffs and steep mountains. Indeed, the continents should have eroded into the oceans by now.
Here are some interesting facts I happened across while researching for my physics essay however.....
(Admittedly, this is probably the wrong forum for them, but lets see if anyone here takes a blind bit of notice)
Solar collapse.
Our sun is gradually shrinking at a steady rate. It is occurring fast enough that, as little as 50,000 years ago, the sun would have been so large that our oceans would boil. In far less time in the past (25,000 years or so), all life on earth would have ceased to exist.
Comets.
Comets circle the sun and are assumed to be as old as our solar system. Since they are continually disintegrating, and a number are known to have broken up, evidently all of them self-destruct within a relatively short time period. It is estimated that the comets cannot be over 10,000 years old.
Comet water.
Comets are primarily composed of water. So many small comets strike the earth that, if our planet was billions of years old, our oceans would be filled several times over with water.
Moon dust.
Ultraviolet light changes moon rocks into dust. It had long been predicted that a thick layer of dust (20-60 miles [32-96.5 km], caused by ultraviolet radiation on the moon's 4-billion-year-old surface, must cover the moon's surface. But scientists were astonished to learn that there is not over 2-3 inches [5.08-7.62 cm] of dust—just the amount expected if the moon was only a few thousand years old.
Lunar recession.
The moon is already far too close to the earth. It is now know that, due to tidal friction, it is gradually moving farther away from us. Based on the rate of recession, the moon cannot be very old. If it were even 20,000 to 30,000 years old, it would at some earlier time have been so close—it would have fallen into our planet!
Meteor craters.
Meteor craters are never found in the rock strata! Yet they would be found there, if millions of years were required to lay down that sedimentary strata. Meteor craters always lie close to or on the earth's surface. Thus, all the meteors which have struck the earth—have hit it within the last few thousand years.
Earth rotation.
Because of solar and lunar gravitational drag forces, the spin of the earth (now about 1,000 mph [1,609 kmph]) is gradually slowing down. If our world was billions of years old, it would already have stopped turning. Or, calculating differently, a billion years ago our planet would have been spinning so fast—it would have become a pancake. So, either way, our earth cannot be more than a few thousand years old.
Magnetic field decay.
Earth's magnetic field is slowly, relentlessly lessening. Even 7,000 years ago, the earth would have had a magnetic field 32 times stronger than it is now. Only 20,000 years ago, enough heat would have been generated to liquefy the planet. Therefore, the earth cannot be over 6,000 or 7,000 years old. This is an important matter, affects the entire planet, and has been measured for over 150 years.
Erosion in the ocean.
We do not find the erosion in the ocean floors which ought to be there if the world were millions or billions of years old. There are ragged cliffs and steep mountains. Indeed, the continents should have eroded into the oceans by now.
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S'alright Ant, not my post and no need to apologise for disagreeing.
Hooplah wrote:
If we just entertain
> the conjecture that God put the Moon where it is, why
would it's orbit not be
> perfect? Surely God in his infinite wisdom and
omnipotence would not have made
> such an error, that will in time destroy his
creation? Why would god cover the
> moon with millions of years worth of
meteor strike craters, is he trying to
> trick us? Deception isn't a very nice
thing for an all loving deity to
> do.
Well, actually, God's plan isn't for us to live forever. According to the Bible, this world will someday come to an end. Check out the movie "Left Behind" which explains this in a cool way. It should be out in cinemas here soon, although you get it on DVD from America.
Sorry to argue that Goatboy, but I just felt that the point needed to be made.
If we just entertain
> the conjecture that God put the Moon where it is, why
would it's orbit not be
> perfect? Surely God in his infinite wisdom and
omnipotence would not have made
> such an error, that will in time destroy his
creation? Why would god cover the
> moon with millions of years worth of
meteor strike craters, is he trying to
> trick us? Deception isn't a very nice
thing for an all loving deity to
> do.
Well, actually, God's plan isn't for us to live forever. According to the Bible, this world will someday come to an end. Check out the movie "Left Behind" which explains this in a cool way. It should be out in cinemas here soon, although you get it on DVD from America.
Sorry to argue that Goatboy, but I just felt that the point needed to be made.
Resevilfan wrote:
> VenomByte wrote:
>How old is the Earth
bout as old as some of these
> notables :-D
so Res you're saying that the earth is about 650 days old...
odd that seeing that i was born before the notables were around...
Nice post tho...
> VenomByte wrote:
>How old is the Earth
bout as old as some of these
> notables :-D
so Res you're saying that the earth is about 650 days old...
odd that seeing that i was born before the notables were around...
Nice post tho...
Thanks for clearing that up Hooplah.
Personally, I've always agreed with theory that the Earth is a few billion years old, but when I found this stuff it did have me stumped. If I get around to visiting that website again, I might see if there's anything else you could help clarify.
Personally, I've always agreed with theory that the Earth is a few billion years old, but when I found this stuff it did have me stumped. If I get around to visiting that website again, I might see if there's anything else you could help clarify.
This is written by Hooplah, but his work comp prevents him from posting so I'm posting for him.
This is his response, and bear in mind this dude is an analytical research scientist, so think hard before you argue back or you'll get torn to pieces:
---------
"Solar collapse.
Our sun is gradually shrinking at a steady rate. It is occurring fast enough
that, as little as 50,000 years ago, the sun would have been so large that
our oceans would boil. In far less time in the past (25,000 years or so),all life on earth would have ceased to exist."
This is based on the assumption that the sun is/has been contracting at a
constant rate. Assumptions are never a good thing in science. Observation
however is good science, and the observation of countless stars and
understanding their life cycle suggests the age of our Sun is accurate.
--------
"Comets.
Comets circle the sun and are assumed to be as old as our solar system.
Since they are continually disintegrating, and a number are known to have
broken up, evidently all of them self-destruct within a relatively short
time period. It is estimated that the comets cannot be over 10,000 years old. "
Comets only shed material at two points; When passing close to an object
emitting radiation, in the case of our Sun; Heat. The second is when they
encounter friction, of which there is none in a space. The amount of heat
present in space is very small, any heat erosion due to this would be
stupendously small. The age of Comets cannot be determined by looking at
their behaviour in our solar system alone.
---------
"Comet water.
Comets are primarily composed of water. So many small comets strike the earth that, if our planet was billions of years old, our oceans would be filled several times over with water. "
Most comets that strike the earth disintegrate in our upper atmosphere, any
water is boiled during that entry and becomes part of our atmosphere and
part of the weather system.
-----
"Moon dust.
Ultraviolet light changes moon rocks into dust. It had long been predicted that a thick layer of dust (20-60 miles [32-96.5 km], caused by ultraviolet
radiation on the moon's 4-billion-year-old surface, must cover the moon's surface. But scientists were astonished to learn that there is not over 2-3 inches [5.08-7.62 cm] of dust-just the amount expected if the moon was only
a few thousand years old."
One word: Compression. There is gravity on the moon, and no winds to shift
the moon dust. This combination would accelerate any compression of dust
that occurred, reforming the moon rock. Even so, once a certain amount of
dust covered the surface of the moon, that would prevent any further UV
penetration to the rock surface.
-----
Lunar recession.
The moon is already far too close to the earth. It is now known that, due to
tidal friction, it is gradually moving farther away from us. Based on the rate of recession, the moon cannot be very old. If it were even 20,000 to 30,000 years old, it would at some earlier time have been so close-it would have fallen into our planet!
If we just entertain the conjecture that God put the Moon where it is, why
would it's orbit not be perfect? Surely God in his infinite wisdom and
omnipotence would not have made such an error, that will in time destroy his
creation? Why would god cover the moon with millions of years worth of
meteor strike craters, is he trying to trick us? Deception isn't a very nice
thing for an all loving deity to do.
-----------------
"Meteor craters.
Meteor craters are never found in the rock strata! Yet they would be found
there, if millions of years were required to lay down that sedimentary strata. Meteor craters always lie close to or on the earth's surface. Thus,
all the meteors which have struck the earth-have hit it within the last few thousand years."
For a meteor crater to be found on earth, the meteor that had to make it
needs to be quite large in order to survive entry into our atmosphere. These
larger craters are still visible even after long periods of time on the
surface, if you know how to find them. Also, 70% of the Earth is covered by
water, in the past there was only one land mass on the Earth, making it even
less likely that a meteor would strike land. Finding craters at the bottom
of an ocean or under a mountain range that has been created since the strike
is quite a hard thing to do
----
"Earth rotation.
Because of solar and lunar gravitational drag forces, the spin of the earth(now about 1,000 mph [1,609 kmph]) is gradually slowing down. If our world
was billions of years old, it would already have stopped turning. Or,
calculating differently, a billion years ago our planet would have been
spinning so fast-it would have become a pancake. So, either way, our earth
cannot be more than a few thousand years old."
The length of a day increases by 2.3 milliseconds per century. This means
that the length of a day has increased by 3.5 seconds in the last one million
years. Assuming this is constant. See assumption note earlier.
--
"Magnetic field decay.
Earth's magnetic field is slowly, relentlessly lessening. Even 7,000 years
ago, the earth would have had a magnetic field 32 times stronger than it is now. Only 20,000 years ago, enough heat would have been generated to liquefy the planet. Therefore, the earth cannot be over 6,000 or 7,000 years old.
This is an important matter, affects the entire planet, and has been
measured for over 150 years."
A measurement over 150 years is nothing with respect to the predicted age ofthis earth.
The Egyptian civilisation started around 7,000 years ago, they managed okay.
Relics from before this time have been found. 20,000 years ago the earth was in the grips of the last ice age, couldn't of been that hot
then.
Or was it special magic ice?
Is God trying to trick us again, or maybe test us? I feel a Bill Hicks rant coming on....
The scientist who made this prediction completely ignored any measurements of magnetic field that came from a source other than the dipoles (north and
south pole), assuming (there's that word again) that any other reading was
meaningless noise. Naughty scientist.
-----
Erosion in the ocean.
We do not find the erosion in the ocean floors which ought to be there if
the world were millions or billions of years old. There are ragged cliffs
and steep mountains. Indeed, the continents should have eroded into the
oceans by now.
The surface of the ocean floors as well as the land surface is constantly
changing (geologically speaking). Formations are created and destroyed via
plate movements all of the time (geologically speaking). The Island chain of
which Hawaii is a part of is proof of that.
---
There you go folks, Hooplah sets it out nice and clearly for you.
And those of you putting forward unresearched theories and ideas should read this and put any questions down for answering.
Call him master, you just got owned.
This is his response, and bear in mind this dude is an analytical research scientist, so think hard before you argue back or you'll get torn to pieces:
---------
"Solar collapse.
Our sun is gradually shrinking at a steady rate. It is occurring fast enough
that, as little as 50,000 years ago, the sun would have been so large that
our oceans would boil. In far less time in the past (25,000 years or so),all life on earth would have ceased to exist."
This is based on the assumption that the sun is/has been contracting at a
constant rate. Assumptions are never a good thing in science. Observation
however is good science, and the observation of countless stars and
understanding their life cycle suggests the age of our Sun is accurate.
--------
"Comets.
Comets circle the sun and are assumed to be as old as our solar system.
Since they are continually disintegrating, and a number are known to have
broken up, evidently all of them self-destruct within a relatively short
time period. It is estimated that the comets cannot be over 10,000 years old. "
Comets only shed material at two points; When passing close to an object
emitting radiation, in the case of our Sun; Heat. The second is when they
encounter friction, of which there is none in a space. The amount of heat
present in space is very small, any heat erosion due to this would be
stupendously small. The age of Comets cannot be determined by looking at
their behaviour in our solar system alone.
---------
"Comet water.
Comets are primarily composed of water. So many small comets strike the earth that, if our planet was billions of years old, our oceans would be filled several times over with water. "
Most comets that strike the earth disintegrate in our upper atmosphere, any
water is boiled during that entry and becomes part of our atmosphere and
part of the weather system.
-----
"Moon dust.
Ultraviolet light changes moon rocks into dust. It had long been predicted that a thick layer of dust (20-60 miles [32-96.5 km], caused by ultraviolet
radiation on the moon's 4-billion-year-old surface, must cover the moon's surface. But scientists were astonished to learn that there is not over 2-3 inches [5.08-7.62 cm] of dust-just the amount expected if the moon was only
a few thousand years old."
One word: Compression. There is gravity on the moon, and no winds to shift
the moon dust. This combination would accelerate any compression of dust
that occurred, reforming the moon rock. Even so, once a certain amount of
dust covered the surface of the moon, that would prevent any further UV
penetration to the rock surface.
-----
Lunar recession.
The moon is already far too close to the earth. It is now known that, due to
tidal friction, it is gradually moving farther away from us. Based on the rate of recession, the moon cannot be very old. If it were even 20,000 to 30,000 years old, it would at some earlier time have been so close-it would have fallen into our planet!
If we just entertain the conjecture that God put the Moon where it is, why
would it's orbit not be perfect? Surely God in his infinite wisdom and
omnipotence would not have made such an error, that will in time destroy his
creation? Why would god cover the moon with millions of years worth of
meteor strike craters, is he trying to trick us? Deception isn't a very nice
thing for an all loving deity to do.
-----------------
"Meteor craters.
Meteor craters are never found in the rock strata! Yet they would be found
there, if millions of years were required to lay down that sedimentary strata. Meteor craters always lie close to or on the earth's surface. Thus,
all the meteors which have struck the earth-have hit it within the last few thousand years."
For a meteor crater to be found on earth, the meteor that had to make it
needs to be quite large in order to survive entry into our atmosphere. These
larger craters are still visible even after long periods of time on the
surface, if you know how to find them. Also, 70% of the Earth is covered by
water, in the past there was only one land mass on the Earth, making it even
less likely that a meteor would strike land. Finding craters at the bottom
of an ocean or under a mountain range that has been created since the strike
is quite a hard thing to do
----
"Earth rotation.
Because of solar and lunar gravitational drag forces, the spin of the earth(now about 1,000 mph [1,609 kmph]) is gradually slowing down. If our world
was billions of years old, it would already have stopped turning. Or,
calculating differently, a billion years ago our planet would have been
spinning so fast-it would have become a pancake. So, either way, our earth
cannot be more than a few thousand years old."
The length of a day increases by 2.3 milliseconds per century. This means
that the length of a day has increased by 3.5 seconds in the last one million
years. Assuming this is constant. See assumption note earlier.
--
"Magnetic field decay.
Earth's magnetic field is slowly, relentlessly lessening. Even 7,000 years
ago, the earth would have had a magnetic field 32 times stronger than it is now. Only 20,000 years ago, enough heat would have been generated to liquefy the planet. Therefore, the earth cannot be over 6,000 or 7,000 years old.
This is an important matter, affects the entire planet, and has been
measured for over 150 years."
A measurement over 150 years is nothing with respect to the predicted age ofthis earth.
The Egyptian civilisation started around 7,000 years ago, they managed okay.
Relics from before this time have been found. 20,000 years ago the earth was in the grips of the last ice age, couldn't of been that hot
then.
Or was it special magic ice?
Is God trying to trick us again, or maybe test us? I feel a Bill Hicks rant coming on....
The scientist who made this prediction completely ignored any measurements of magnetic field that came from a source other than the dipoles (north and
south pole), assuming (there's that word again) that any other reading was
meaningless noise. Naughty scientist.
-----
Erosion in the ocean.
We do not find the erosion in the ocean floors which ought to be there if
the world were millions or billions of years old. There are ragged cliffs
and steep mountains. Indeed, the continents should have eroded into the
oceans by now.
The surface of the ocean floors as well as the land surface is constantly
changing (geologically speaking). Formations are created and destroyed via
plate movements all of the time (geologically speaking). The Island chain of
which Hawaii is a part of is proof of that.
---
There you go folks, Hooplah sets it out nice and clearly for you.
And those of you putting forward unresearched theories and ideas should read this and put any questions down for answering.
Call him master, you just got owned.
er-no wrote:
> Everything is fact until proven otherwise.
And since nothing can ever be proven or disproven, then everything is fact?
> Everything is fact until proven otherwise.
And since nothing can ever be proven or disproven, then everything is fact?
VenomByte wrote:
Astronomers currently estimate the universe to be 15
> billion years old, I think...
Didnt they used to say it was 20billion years... but they decided to change it to 15billion becase it felt like a nicer number?
Astronomers currently estimate the universe to be 15
> billion years old, I think...
Didnt they used to say it was 20billion years... but they decided to change it to 15billion becase it felt like a nicer number?
Nice ideas.... but why was darwin, a biologist, quoted in your post?
Sonic
Sonic
Heh, thanks for that Venom, should help me in a few situations.
Everything is fact until proven otherwise.
I shall say again.
'Don't multiple necessities beyond entity or you will end in a vicious infinite recress'
I shall say again.
'Don't multiple necessities beyond entity or you will end in a vicious infinite recress'
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