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Sun 06/01/02 at 13:56
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As the year 2002 is now upon us, would it not be wonderful if this year people united with an aim to change the world for the better.

2001, well it was like any other year until... well you know what I'm going to say and I don't know how to say it... was it Terrorist Attacks? or should I say September 11th like the media like to say?

Well after those events it was all the usual hype:

" This will change the world we live in forever "

Has it? All I see is a country in a larger mess than it was... Two Landmarks missing in New York... tourism effected and a lot of lifes lost for no real reason.

I want the world to change
I want people to change
I just want things to get better

Now its 2002. No real meaning, only to change the calander but it gives people the opportunity to do something different.

In the 1960s and 70s, the millenium and years to follow were these futuristic worlds... set in space etc. When really nothing has changed, just the slight imporovement in technology. The rich still get richer, the poor get poorer.

Its never going to change for the better but while theres hope in people like me maybe something will.

Now why don't people want to feed the starving millions in Africa? Or stop war?

Well because most of the people that want that are in a position to do little about it... like me, 15 year old. What can I do? Join Amnesty International? Write posts like this? Well governments, rich gits and the like are selfish batards... they don't give a damn about Africa... they only want them to pay back their loans with interest...

Look at Britain... still living in the past... only successful because of the olden days and because they invented the gun first... still going on about the bloody Empire... still got a Monarchy that do bogger all and use up money, still got politicians with their heads up their aris who sell weapons to countries then go to war with them, you get picture.

Ah well, as usual my rants come to end as I need to go and do f*cking pointless schoolwork while the world goes the same way as it always has done.

Goodnight
Mon 07/01/02 at 08:00
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Posts: 11,145
SHEEPY wrote:

> Now why don't people want to feed the starving millions in Africa? Or
> stop war?

Apathy.
Sun 06/01/02 at 18:01
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hmm, well I disagree on several points;

>SHEEPY wrote:
> As the year 2002 is now upon us, would it not be >wonderful if this year people
> united with an aim to change the world for the better.
>2001, well it was like
> any other year until... well you know what I'm going to >say and I don't know how
> to say it... was it Terrorist Attacks? or should I say >September 11th like the
> media like to say?
>Well after those events it was all the usual
> hype:
>" This will change the world we live in forever "
>Has it?
> All I see is a country in a larger mess than it was... >Two Landmarks missing in
> New York... tourism effected and a lot of lifes lost for >no real reason.

9/11 DID change the world forever. A lot of life was lost, thousands of jobs, billions of $ lost and airline travel will never be the same again. But these are only the obvious effects. The world, particularly the West, has woken up to the fact that terrorism cannot be ignored. For the first time many countries are co operating that never would have before 9/11. America and NATO are reching out to other countries to bring stability and destroy international terrorism. New laws have been brought into effect to try and prevent terrorists entering the UK and USA, and other countries. Libya, Somalia, Iraq and every other terrorist sponsoring nation now sees what the cost of helping terrorism is. Their is the political will now to end terrorism. In many ways the cahnge is for the better, but you are not going to see world peace over night.

>In the 1960s and 70s,
> the millenium and years to follow were these futuristic >worlds... set in space
> etc. When really nothing has changed, just the slight >imporovement in
> technology. The rich still get richer, the poor get >poorer.

Slight improvements ? Nuclear power, vaccination, massive medical advances, jet power, consoles, telecommunications, the internet, stealth technology e.t.c There has never been a greater jump in technology than in the last 50 years. Look at how many of us own mobile phones, thats proff of how it is not just the "rich" who benefit. Many of these "rich" people are rich because they've actually earned the cash. Bill Gates nearly single handedly brought PC use to the home and he's profited, for example. Yes, there are poor people, but the number of homeless is lower than 50 years ago. Poverty IS a major problem, but there is no over night solution.

>Now why don't people want to feed the starving millions in >Africa? Or
> stop war?

Because for year after year people have been giving money, raising cash, and it never seems to get better, only worse. Civil war after civil war breaks out. When the UN and other countries try to intervene they are not welcome. In Sierra Leone the British troops intially faced massive difficulty and lost several men trying to rescue hostages. In Somalia the Americans and the UN were forced to leave after many attacks. Yet in Bosnia and the former yugoslavia there is a peace of a sorts, bought with NATO airpower, so there is hope. You cannot simply stop war, to a degree shouldn't anyone wanting that question what right anyone has in the west to dictate to the Middle East ? No one wants war, but the consequences of not being able to defend your country and others is too high.

In 1990 the Gulf War could have been avoided, the UN just had to ignore the fact that Saddam had invaded Kuwait... In Bosnia everyone should have just ignored the massive killings and executions... just forget about Milosevic and what hes done... I don't want a world like that. Sometimes war is the only option, its not nice, but sometimes it is right.

>Well because most of the people that want that are in a >position
> to do little about it... like me, 15 year old. What can >I do? Join Amnesty
> International? Write posts like this? Well governments, >rich gits and the like
> are selfish batards... they don't give a damn about >Africa... they only want
> them to pay back their loans with interest...

Bizarrely, the idea of a loan is that you pay interest, and you pay it back. That money is taxpayers money, like my parents pay and I will eventually. Maybe the money isnt from UK taxes, but it does come from somewhere. I'd love to see my Barclays reply if I refused to pay interest or the balance on my card ! Governments are elected, which generally means the majority of the population support them. They are not selfish, but do tend to concentrate on what they believe are important issues. Many do care about LDC countries like Africa, but the Uk, for example, is already in debt and does have armed forces comitted to worldwide humanitarian and peacekeeping missions. There isnt an overflowing jar of cash for all this help, nor is there much public support for it. Where were the highest british military losses last year ? humanitarian and peacekeeping operations. There needs to be a reason for help, and finding one in many cases is hard.

>Look at Britain... still
> living in the past... only successful because of the >olden days and because they
> invented the gun first... still going on about the bloody >Empire... still got a
> Monarchy that do bogger all and use up money, still got >politicians with their
> heads up their aris who sell weapons to countries then go >to war with them, you
> get picture.

Well when I walk around Nottingham it looks pretty modern to me ! living in the past is also called heritage, its important to remember the past. French chemist Paul Marie Eugène Vieille is the principal person from which modern firearms originate and the 14th century weapons stemmed from Europe, so we didnt invent the gun first at all. As for Empire - the general dis interest in anywhere outside the Uk, which you have mentioned, is proof that dreams of Empire are actually dead. Politicians do not sell weapons, companies do, and those countries approach them for weapons, not the other way around. In many conflicts the weapons are of Russian origin, unless Britain is somehow producing AK47 and BMP APCs. As a general rule Western weapons are too expensive to buy. Also, what gives anyone in the UK the right to dictate to another country what they buy ? Isn't that all a bit colonial ? It's certainly Neo colonialism anyway. In many countries, like Afghanistan, weapons are home made in country, so maybe NATO ought to go blow all those up as well ? The situation is not black and white, which is why there is no overnight solution.
Sun 06/01/02 at 17:33
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"A square watermelon"
Posts: 1,890
Difference there is we have the resources.. (Granted, some people think it's linked to autism aside from no tests concluding it has anything to do with it)

I make the point that we have a MMR jab, but many other countries in the world don't have access to, or can't afford it.

Laziness and poverty are two different things..
Sun 06/01/02 at 17:27
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Posts: 15,579
Iguana wrote:
We never
> have to worry about measles here in the West.

Apparently people are getting worried about the lack of people getting the (MMR?) Jab. Reckon there could be an epidemic if people carry on ignoring it.
Sun 06/01/02 at 17:23
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"A square watermelon"
Posts: 1,890
I agree. Totally.

I hate the world as it is currently, how unequal it is, how people are dying in developing countries from things like measles. We never have to worry about measles here in the West.

I'm going to go off in a rant again, so I won't go on..
Sun 06/01/02 at 13:56
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Posts: 23,284
As the year 2002 is now upon us, would it not be wonderful if this year people united with an aim to change the world for the better.

2001, well it was like any other year until... well you know what I'm going to say and I don't know how to say it... was it Terrorist Attacks? or should I say September 11th like the media like to say?

Well after those events it was all the usual hype:

" This will change the world we live in forever "

Has it? All I see is a country in a larger mess than it was... Two Landmarks missing in New York... tourism effected and a lot of lifes lost for no real reason.

I want the world to change
I want people to change
I just want things to get better

Now its 2002. No real meaning, only to change the calander but it gives people the opportunity to do something different.

In the 1960s and 70s, the millenium and years to follow were these futuristic worlds... set in space etc. When really nothing has changed, just the slight imporovement in technology. The rich still get richer, the poor get poorer.

Its never going to change for the better but while theres hope in people like me maybe something will.

Now why don't people want to feed the starving millions in Africa? Or stop war?

Well because most of the people that want that are in a position to do little about it... like me, 15 year old. What can I do? Join Amnesty International? Write posts like this? Well governments, rich gits and the like are selfish batards... they don't give a damn about Africa... they only want them to pay back their loans with interest...

Look at Britain... still living in the past... only successful because of the olden days and because they invented the gun first... still going on about the bloody Empire... still got a Monarchy that do bogger all and use up money, still got politicians with their heads up their aris who sell weapons to countries then go to war with them, you get picture.

Ah well, as usual my rants come to end as I need to go and do f*cking pointless schoolwork while the world goes the same way as it always has done.

Goodnight

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