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With the Government considering shelling out big money to pay for Asians living in this country to have English lessons I'd like to ask where and when my free lessons in Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi and Gujarati will be taking place.
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What exactly are we going to ask people to swear allegiance too? The Queen the State? Why would they want to do that. Britian has a long and noble history of apathy. We don't like revolutions/dictatorships or open displays of emotion or allegiances. We don't even have a constitution. Now that makes me proud to be British. If you want to conform and than try the states.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
I admit it's an attitude I don't really understand, but still.
Must.. resist.. urge to write... lee & herring references...
;-^)
I had to pay for my welsh lessons. Tsk, double government standards : )
Sounds like a good idea to me, but not for the reasons the government seem to want to do it.
And i'd agree with the point that people who hate aren't about to change their ways because their victims are speaking the same language. Even if they did, we'd still have the problem of the mindsets these people have, in that the only reason they wouldn't be going around hurting people is because they speak english.
If they do introduce a pledge of alegience, i really hope nobody tries to make me take it, or i'll be losing either my citizenship or my principles very quickly : )
Still, i doubt we'll ever get a proper discussion on it until people stop being too paraniod at being called, or someone else being, racist.
And when we are grown up to talk about it sensibly, we probably won't need to anyway.
I admit it's an attitude I don't really understand, but still.
Must.. resist.. urge to write... lee & herring references...
;-^)
I had to pay for my welsh lessons. Tsk, double government standards : )
Sounds like a good idea to me, but not for the reasons the government seem to want to do it.
And i'd agree with the point that people who hate aren't about to change their ways because their victims are speaking the same language. Even if they did, we'd still have the problem of the mindsets these people have, in that the only reason they wouldn't be going around hurting people is because they speak english.
If they do introduce a pledge of alegience, i really hope nobody tries to make me take it, or i'll be losing either my citizenship or my principles very quickly : )
Still, i doubt we'll ever get a proper discussion on it until people stop being too paraniod at being called, or someone else being, racist.
And when we are grown up to talk about it sensibly, we probably won't need to anyway.
that's ok mate, no worries.
Goatboy wrote:
> Not really, not in the mood for it today.
Sorry mate - I've only just read your "Crap Night" topic. Apologies.
> Not really, not in the mood for it today.
Sorry mate - I've only just read your "Crap Night" topic. Apologies.
Never normally post lyrics, but felt compelled to do so in this situation. Strikes a chord with me in this topic - not my views but something I identify with.
Greivance by Pearl Jam
Have a drink they're buying.
Bottom of bottle of denial.
Big eye, big eye watching me.
Have to wonder what it sees. Sin.
Progress laced with ramifications.
Freedom's big punch. Oh.
Pull the innocent from a crowd.
Raise those sticks them bring them down.
If they fail to obey.
Ah, if they fail to obey. Yeah yeah.
For every tool they lend us a loss of independence.
I pledge my grievance to the flag.
Cause you don't give blood then take it back again.
Oh we're all deserving something more.
Progress. Taste it. Invest it all.
Champagne breakfast for everyone. Everyone.
Break the innocent when they're proud.
Raise those stakes then bring them down.
If they fail to obey.
Yeah, ha, if they fail to obey.
Pledge your grievance to the flag.
Cause, don't give blood then take it back again.
Oh, we're all deserving something more.
Have a, have a drink, drink. Have a, have a drink, drink.
I want to breathe part of the scene.
I want to taste everyone I see.
I want to run when I'm up high.
I want to run to the sea.
I want life to be.
I just want to be.
I will feel alive as long as I am free.
Greivance by Pearl Jam
Have a drink they're buying.
Bottom of bottle of denial.
Big eye, big eye watching me.
Have to wonder what it sees. Sin.
Progress laced with ramifications.
Freedom's big punch. Oh.
Pull the innocent from a crowd.
Raise those sticks them bring them down.
If they fail to obey.
Ah, if they fail to obey. Yeah yeah.
For every tool they lend us a loss of independence.
I pledge my grievance to the flag.
Cause you don't give blood then take it back again.
Oh we're all deserving something more.
Progress. Taste it. Invest it all.
Champagne breakfast for everyone. Everyone.
Break the innocent when they're proud.
Raise those stakes then bring them down.
If they fail to obey.
Yeah, ha, if they fail to obey.
Pledge your grievance to the flag.
Cause, don't give blood then take it back again.
Oh, we're all deserving something more.
Have a, have a drink, drink. Have a, have a drink, drink.
I want to breathe part of the scene.
I want to taste everyone I see.
I want to run when I'm up high.
I want to run to the sea.
I want life to be.
I just want to be.
I will feel alive as long as I am free.
Fairy snuff!
Get well soon...
Get well soon...
Not really, not in the mood for it today.
Sorry Wookiee, maybe tomorrow.
I wasn't arguing any points you or anyone else made, just expressing my beliefs on this situation in general.
But I don't care at the end of the day, apathy is washing over me.
Sorry Wookiee, maybe tomorrow.
I wasn't arguing any points you or anyone else made, just expressing my beliefs on this situation in general.
But I don't care at the end of the day, apathy is washing over me.
Goatboy wrote:
> just because I was born within the borders of one country
> means I have no particular loyalty towards it.
Each to their own. I admit it's an attitude I don't really understand, but still.
> In fact, I think that Britain is a petty, inbred snobby
> little country that is trying to cling to the notion
> of "The Empire" from when it ruled the world.
We have some of the worst snobs in the world, granted - but I certainly don't see us as a snobby nation. We have some history to be ashamed of, and some to be extremely proud of, and I don't think we shold let any group of people or nations tell us otherwise.
> I have tried to leave on several occasions, emigrate to
> Canada but the laws there are stringent in the extreme
> for immigration
Good luck to them I say. I'm sure they're all the better for it. Australia are also strict, but they're not allowing themselves to be beaten down with the racism stick like we are.
> It means nothing to me if my neighbour doesn't speak
> English.
It means nothing to me either, aside from the fact that I can't hold a conversation with them. It's simply that I'd expect anyone to learn the native language of a country if they were planning to live there.
> England has one of the worst reputations for languages.
True - but then English is the common language of the world for business etc. One of the main reasons so many countries use English regularly is because they have so many tourists from the UK and US.
> Here at work, there is a Dutch girl that speaks Dutch,
> German, French and English.
Fair enough, but we used to have a woman here (English) who spoke French, German and Spanish, so we're not all completely ignorant. I admit more Europeans speak English than English speak European - but a large part of the reasoning behind that is as mentioned above.
> And that's the norm, whereas we sit and say "It's English
> innit? They should bloody learn it".
Not sure that's entirely fair comment - after all, as I said before, if you're living in a country, you should be able to speak the language, whether it's your 'first' language or not. To be fair, though, there are enough English people who can't speak English properly, let alone any other language! :-)
> The day we are expected to pledge allegiance to the UK is
> the day I wear a brown-shirt and goose-step around playgrounds.
Why? You want to live in Canada, but they have a pledge of allegiance that everyone has to take if they want to become a Canadian citizen. Why is their pledge better than ours would be?
> America has the pledge of allegiance, and that is one of
> the worst countries for racial intolerance.
I agree - remember my comment earlier about the US being 'better at race relations than the UK' was actually a comment made to me by a black man. I suggested otherwise, but he insisted he was correct.
Well, we're arguing again... are you happy now? ;-)
> just because I was born within the borders of one country
> means I have no particular loyalty towards it.
Each to their own. I admit it's an attitude I don't really understand, but still.
> In fact, I think that Britain is a petty, inbred snobby
> little country that is trying to cling to the notion
> of "The Empire" from when it ruled the world.
We have some of the worst snobs in the world, granted - but I certainly don't see us as a snobby nation. We have some history to be ashamed of, and some to be extremely proud of, and I don't think we shold let any group of people or nations tell us otherwise.
> I have tried to leave on several occasions, emigrate to
> Canada but the laws there are stringent in the extreme
> for immigration
Good luck to them I say. I'm sure they're all the better for it. Australia are also strict, but they're not allowing themselves to be beaten down with the racism stick like we are.
> It means nothing to me if my neighbour doesn't speak
> English.
It means nothing to me either, aside from the fact that I can't hold a conversation with them. It's simply that I'd expect anyone to learn the native language of a country if they were planning to live there.
> England has one of the worst reputations for languages.
True - but then English is the common language of the world for business etc. One of the main reasons so many countries use English regularly is because they have so many tourists from the UK and US.
> Here at work, there is a Dutch girl that speaks Dutch,
> German, French and English.
Fair enough, but we used to have a woman here (English) who spoke French, German and Spanish, so we're not all completely ignorant. I admit more Europeans speak English than English speak European - but a large part of the reasoning behind that is as mentioned above.
> And that's the norm, whereas we sit and say "It's English
> innit? They should bloody learn it".
Not sure that's entirely fair comment - after all, as I said before, if you're living in a country, you should be able to speak the language, whether it's your 'first' language or not. To be fair, though, there are enough English people who can't speak English properly, let alone any other language! :-)
> The day we are expected to pledge allegiance to the UK is
> the day I wear a brown-shirt and goose-step around playgrounds.
Why? You want to live in Canada, but they have a pledge of allegiance that everyone has to take if they want to become a Canadian citizen. Why is their pledge better than ours would be?
> America has the pledge of allegiance, and that is one of
> the worst countries for racial intolerance.
I agree - remember my comment earlier about the US being 'better at race relations than the UK' was actually a comment made to me by a black man. I suggested otherwise, but he insisted he was correct.
Well, we're arguing again... are you happy now? ;-)
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