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Me and a mate have been having an ongoing argument (for probably about 6 months or so now) about what takes more skill... Being in a band (any type of band but I was specifically talking about rock, and more specifically punk and sub-genres) or being a guy who makes 'music' (I'm using a loose term here...:D) by mixing together a load of samples, etc. and then gets someone else to DJ and 'mix' and 'scratch' etc.
I was also wondering why all these types of 'dance' type music have such weird names, often named after places. You have 'jungle', 'house', 'garage', what is next? 'attic' music? "The latest in underground UK corridor music!"? Really...
But seriously, ok, you have to have some skill and experience to do all this DJ stuff, but what exactly is an MC? what the heck do they do? And really, isn't it a tiny bit more difficult to co-ordinate a band of 3+ members than for one person to spin a couple of records?
Please leave your arguments for and against my argument. I want an intelligent discussion here, not the crap my friend always goes on about, examples are stuff like him saying Punk music is just about killing yourself and other people (which contradicts what he said earlier, which was that you can't understand what the hell they are singing about!) and that they don't play any chords or anything, just hit guitars and flail at drums (I'd like to see him try to play some punk songs!) I then informed him that pop-punk, the simplest form of punk was called 3-chord punk because it uses 3 chords, and he then twisted it and said that all punk bands do is play the same three chords, when punk rock and other genres not pop-punk, are often pretty complex songs. He also informs me that I've never heard 'real' Garage (the music he likes) and that all I've heard is poppy radio versions... I probably haven't heard radio versions cos I don't listen to the radio, and have only heard it while round his house and still think it is crap! I could say the same about him never hearing 'real' punk, I mean he thought Limp Bizkit were a punk band, and came to school going, "Ha, they were on top of the pops, and they had a guy mixing" to which I replied that 1) they aren't punk and 2) I don't like them.
Anyway enough rambling...
I was also wondering why all these types of 'dance' type music have such weird names, often named after places. You have 'jungle', 'house', 'garage', what is next? 'attic' music? "The latest in underground UK corridor music!"? Really...
But seriously, ok, you have to have some skill and experience to do all this DJ stuff, but what exactly is an MC? what the heck do they do? And really, isn't it a tiny bit more difficult to co-ordinate a band of 3+ members than for one person to spin a couple of records?
Please leave your arguments for and against my argument. I want an intelligent discussion here, not the crap my friend always goes on about, examples are stuff like him saying Punk music is just about killing yourself and other people (which contradicts what he said earlier, which was that you can't understand what the hell they are singing about!) and that they don't play any chords or anything, just hit guitars and flail at drums (I'd like to see him try to play some punk songs!) I then informed him that pop-punk, the simplest form of punk was called 3-chord punk because it uses 3 chords, and he then twisted it and said that all punk bands do is play the same three chords, when punk rock and other genres not pop-punk, are often pretty complex songs. He also informs me that I've never heard 'real' Garage (the music he likes) and that all I've heard is poppy radio versions... I probably haven't heard radio versions cos I don't listen to the radio, and have only heard it while round his house and still think it is crap! I could say the same about him never hearing 'real' punk, I mean he thought Limp Bizkit were a punk band, and came to school going, "Ha, they were on top of the pops, and they had a guy mixing" to which I replied that 1) they aren't punk and 2) I don't like them.
Anyway enough rambling...
... are we getting off the point a bit?...
Ben Hodgetts wrote:
> i like to class limp bizkit in this category
*once ok rock band trying to get
> into rap/hip hop scene with a sad deluded white man thinking he can actually rap
I have to say this, i'm sorry but i'm about to defend Fred Durst, he kind of can rap quite well in a few tracks, listen to "in 2 gether now" in this tune he's alongside one of the biggest names in Hip Hop Method Man and he doesn't sound too bad.
> i like to class limp bizkit in this category
*once ok rock band trying to get
> into rap/hip hop scene with a sad deluded white man thinking he can actually rap
I have to say this, i'm sorry but i'm about to defend Fred Durst, he kind of can rap quite well in a few tracks, listen to "in 2 gether now" in this tune he's alongside one of the biggest names in Hip Hop Method Man and he doesn't sound too bad.
i like to class limp bizkit in this category
*once ok rock band trying to get into rap/hip hop scene with a sad deluded white man thinking he can actually rap and lost all their credibility*
as far as i know there was and still is only one group that's managed to make the transition from rock to hip hop with all their credibility intact and actually recieve plaudits and that's the beastie boys. the first hip hop group to have an album go to number 1 in the albums chart and also still have albums in the top 50 of most purchased. now when people think of limp bizkit they just think sad old rock group well i do anyway and it's a good job Wes jumped ship before it eventually gets sunk
*once ok rock band trying to get into rap/hip hop scene with a sad deluded white man thinking he can actually rap and lost all their credibility*
as far as i know there was and still is only one group that's managed to make the transition from rock to hip hop with all their credibility intact and actually recieve plaudits and that's the beastie boys. the first hip hop group to have an album go to number 1 in the albums chart and also still have albums in the top 50 of most purchased. now when people think of limp bizkit they just think sad old rock group well i do anyway and it's a good job Wes jumped ship before it eventually gets sunk
Me and a mate have been having an ongoing argument (for probably about 6 months or so now) about what takes more skill... Being in a band (any type of band but I was specifically talking about rock, and more specifically punk and sub-genres) or being a guy who makes 'music' (I'm using a loose term here...:D) by mixing together a load of samples, etc. and then gets someone else to DJ and 'mix' and 'scratch' etc.
I was also wondering why all these types of 'dance' type music have such weird names, often named after places. You have 'jungle', 'house', 'garage', what is next? 'attic' music? "The latest in underground UK corridor music!"? Really...
But seriously, ok, you have to have some skill and experience to do all this DJ stuff, but what exactly is an MC? what the heck do they do? And really, isn't it a tiny bit more difficult to co-ordinate a band of 3+ members than for one person to spin a couple of records?
Please leave your arguments for and against my argument. I want an intelligent discussion here, not the crap my friend always goes on about, examples are stuff like him saying Punk music is just about killing yourself and other people (which contradicts what he said earlier, which was that you can't understand what the hell they are singing about!) and that they don't play any chords or anything, just hit guitars and flail at drums (I'd like to see him try to play some punk songs!) I then informed him that pop-punk, the simplest form of punk was called 3-chord punk because it uses 3 chords, and he then twisted it and said that all punk bands do is play the same three chords, when punk rock and other genres not pop-punk, are often pretty complex songs. He also informs me that I've never heard 'real' Garage (the music he likes) and that all I've heard is poppy radio versions... I probably haven't heard radio versions cos I don't listen to the radio, and have only heard it while round his house and still think it is crap! I could say the same about him never hearing 'real' punk, I mean he thought Limp Bizkit were a punk band, and came to school going, "Ha, they were on top of the pops, and they had a guy mixing" to which I replied that 1) they aren't punk and 2) I don't like them.
Anyway enough rambling...
I was also wondering why all these types of 'dance' type music have such weird names, often named after places. You have 'jungle', 'house', 'garage', what is next? 'attic' music? "The latest in underground UK corridor music!"? Really...
But seriously, ok, you have to have some skill and experience to do all this DJ stuff, but what exactly is an MC? what the heck do they do? And really, isn't it a tiny bit more difficult to co-ordinate a band of 3+ members than for one person to spin a couple of records?
Please leave your arguments for and against my argument. I want an intelligent discussion here, not the crap my friend always goes on about, examples are stuff like him saying Punk music is just about killing yourself and other people (which contradicts what he said earlier, which was that you can't understand what the hell they are singing about!) and that they don't play any chords or anything, just hit guitars and flail at drums (I'd like to see him try to play some punk songs!) I then informed him that pop-punk, the simplest form of punk was called 3-chord punk because it uses 3 chords, and he then twisted it and said that all punk bands do is play the same three chords, when punk rock and other genres not pop-punk, are often pretty complex songs. He also informs me that I've never heard 'real' Garage (the music he likes) and that all I've heard is poppy radio versions... I probably haven't heard radio versions cos I don't listen to the radio, and have only heard it while round his house and still think it is crap! I could say the same about him never hearing 'real' punk, I mean he thought Limp Bizkit were a punk band, and came to school going, "Ha, they were on top of the pops, and they had a guy mixing" to which I replied that 1) they aren't punk and 2) I don't like them.
Anyway enough rambling...