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Right, I'll extinguish all sarcasm in this first sentence (yeah, right), as last time I posted this topic (which was obviously different), it got deleted and for some reason I didn't get a warning, so I lost around 1500 words, but I'll try my best to write it all out again :-)...Grrrr snarrll, grrrr...
Any who, basically I was talking about the PS2, the XBOX, the Game Cube and the Dreamcast/Sega, as you'll probably tell from the title, unfortunately I didn't get to see any replies, if there were any, so please forgive this post if you've already read my mach 1 topic to this, which has since disappeared from all eternity. Lovely eh?
Ok, let's start off...What's gonna happen!!!
Well, something will happen, but it's not going to be clear cut, the term "winner" may only apply to us the consumer, but could there actually be a winner in this "new" next generation console battle? Who's going to win? Why will they win? What does winning mean? Who's playing? Are they following the rules? What rules? Why all these questions?
Answers may take years, possibly decades to fully be achieved, but throughout the next couple of years, we'll be the ones making those answers.
Muscle. Financial Muscle. That's the key, but you have to have mental ingenuity as well as billions in the bank, so what are the monetary situations of our 3 contenders?
Microsoft will lead the pack with the whole company still refusing to go through doors (for some reason they're only aloud to use windows and Gates)...
If financial prowess was the deciding factor in "Who wins?” then Microsoft would be a Sumo wrestler sitting upon a couple of 15,000 metre Olympic Athletes, but money isn't everything, although it can buy nearly everything, Mr Gates and crew have the challenge of selling more X Box's than Sony selling their PlayStation 2's. Trouble is, the "Third Place" console is currently around 20million units ahead of Bill n Ninty.
Microsoft needs to make their console even more desirable than it already is, if it is actually considered desirable at all. Wows and critical acclaim will have to come from the Internal Aesthetics - i.e. what it can achieve visually - it's up to the games developers to make the games play well. Personally I'd be surprised if anything looked better than Shenmue 2 this year, irony rules, shame the Dreamcast doesn't because the next best thing to reality can be found on the Dreamcast within the next two weeks or so, right, enough about that...
Pricing - X Box, it'll be here a month after Valentine's day, so don't waste your money on getting your wife or girlfriend a barrel of roses, get them a month late X Box and hope they'll never play on it, leaving it for you - good plan. At £300, it isn’t cheap, but it's the same price the PlayStation 2 was at launch, being released well over a year after the PS2, it should be better by some way. Either way that £300 tag has to be justified otherwise there might be some broken windows in store...
Looks good does it? No, the X Box is massive, has funny shaped controllers, memory cards and looks kind of "cyborgy" but that's just my opinion. As ugly people tend to say, it's what’s inside that counts, so lets wait for some more screenshots, preferably not of HOTD3.
Public perception? Contrary to popular belief there aren't actually enough Microsoft employees to buy all the X Box's and make the venture a success, therefore, like it or not, some of you lot will be owning one! What do you think of the console? I don't see why you have to pay £20 or £30 for a card just to turn it into a DVD player - something dodgy there, but a fair few titles are looking rather tasty:
Sega's on board, and we can expect to see future versions of Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, House of the Dead and so on...
Great news is that Soul Calibur 2 is going multiple - GCN, XBOX and PS2 owners will be able to indulge in the world's finest weapons based beat 'em up, and of course Microsoft will have an artillery of 3rd party people to make exclusives for the console, rendering it the "must have", but then Sony and Nintendo have probably done the same...
My prediction? I'm not getting one (that'll change probably...) but I think Microsoft will be getting more space than the Nintendo Game Cube games with their X Box console. I reckon the PC games market will experience slow sales, with Microsoft's console soaking up the top PC game titles. This console will last much longer than the Dreamcast.
Sony!
Sony have the advantage of 20million units sold already, their PS one will undoubtedly and unduly outsell the Dreamcast this Christmas, but the PS2 will be under thousands of Xmas trees this year, and Sony will be having a laugh.
However. The PlayStation 2 is not the "nuts", it's not the greatest thing ever, and it hasn't produced THAT many amazing titles - Shenmue 2 outshines everything, but then the Dreamcast doesn't really count anymore, sadly, but the PS2 will sell well.
Sony have upped their advertising campaign, especially on television, with the 3rd Place popping up everywhere, but when the Game Cube and the X Box come out the PS2 won't be the newest kid on the block, and it will suffer in sales.
I do recommend this console, because it's excellent value at £200 because of it's DVD playback, but if you want 4player gaming you're gonna have to get a multi tap, something X Box and GC owners won't have to do. But so far, GTA3, GT3, Red Faction, SSX, FIFA 2002, Onimusha, Extermination, Time Splitters and more have shown what the console should be producing for the next few years. MGS2 2 will become the fastest selling game ever, ISS Pro 2 will prove superior to EA's football game, and the coloured PS2's will be worth at least 3 times the amount of normal PS2's.
Sony will have to hurry up with this online gaming or they can forget it if there's nothing out within the next 6 months...
Sony has money, more than Microsoft? No, but Sony also aren't as hated as Bill's chaps, for whatever reason (Windows...crashing...ahem...), I don't think PS2 owners will have anything to worry about though, although there will be X Box games to make us drool. :-)
Nintendo!
NINTENDO! EVERYONE IN JAPAN LOVES NINTENDO! Unfortunately everywhere else Nintendo's games machines STILL seem like they're being aimed at children - it is because of Mario, it is because of what the consoles look like and it is because, well, Pokemon anyone?
I will not judge the Game Cube based on it's current lack of "more adult" games, like racing games, fighting games and so forth, I don't know how well it'll do in this country, but people seem to be talking about it here all the time on these forums (or is it just Nintendo people shout the loudest?), Luigi's mansion has been criticised already, Zelda looks a bit cell shady, and well, at least Soul Calibur 2 is coming out on it!
Price is in favour with the GC - at £200 or less, this'll undercut the X Box, and you can even use the Game Boy Advances for controllers, which is nice isn't it!!
Sonic Team have adopted the Game Cube, so it'll get a lot of Sonic, PSO and other mad, but brilliant Sega games.
In Japan yes, but in Europe and the USA? I think the PS2 or X Box will destroy it.
Enough!
SEGA?
Ok, this month will probably be home to the release of 3 amazing games in Virtua Tennis 2, Shenmue 2 and Head Hunter - subject to being released on time of course, and so I hope you'll buy a Dreamcast if you don't have one at the moment - these games will rule, they will look and play amazingly, so don't miss out.
At the moment Sega have committed themselves to the X Box, PS2 and the Game Cube, and they will probably become the biggest software company in the world, somehow - but they better hurry up with games like VF4 and Space Channel 5 on the PS2.
Sega is everyone's best friend and could end up having the last laugh, watching all the other consoles destroy each other, but who knows.
Ok, that'll do,
Next Gen?
Tomorrow never happens, but the future of gaming, is here.
Thanks for reading!
Dan
Any who, basically I was talking about the PS2, the XBOX, the Game Cube and the Dreamcast/Sega, as you'll probably tell from the title, unfortunately I didn't get to see any replies, if there were any, so please forgive this post if you've already read my mach 1 topic to this, which has since disappeared from all eternity. Lovely eh?
Ok, let's start off...What's gonna happen!!!
Well, something will happen, but it's not going to be clear cut, the term "winner" may only apply to us the consumer, but could there actually be a winner in this "new" next generation console battle? Who's going to win? Why will they win? What does winning mean? Who's playing? Are they following the rules? What rules? Why all these questions?
Answers may take years, possibly decades to fully be achieved, but throughout the next couple of years, we'll be the ones making those answers.
Muscle. Financial Muscle. That's the key, but you have to have mental ingenuity as well as billions in the bank, so what are the monetary situations of our 3 contenders?
Microsoft will lead the pack with the whole company still refusing to go through doors (for some reason they're only aloud to use windows and Gates)...
If financial prowess was the deciding factor in "Who wins?” then Microsoft would be a Sumo wrestler sitting upon a couple of 15,000 metre Olympic Athletes, but money isn't everything, although it can buy nearly everything, Mr Gates and crew have the challenge of selling more X Box's than Sony selling their PlayStation 2's. Trouble is, the "Third Place" console is currently around 20million units ahead of Bill n Ninty.
Microsoft needs to make their console even more desirable than it already is, if it is actually considered desirable at all. Wows and critical acclaim will have to come from the Internal Aesthetics - i.e. what it can achieve visually - it's up to the games developers to make the games play well. Personally I'd be surprised if anything looked better than Shenmue 2 this year, irony rules, shame the Dreamcast doesn't because the next best thing to reality can be found on the Dreamcast within the next two weeks or so, right, enough about that...
Pricing - X Box, it'll be here a month after Valentine's day, so don't waste your money on getting your wife or girlfriend a barrel of roses, get them a month late X Box and hope they'll never play on it, leaving it for you - good plan. At £300, it isn’t cheap, but it's the same price the PlayStation 2 was at launch, being released well over a year after the PS2, it should be better by some way. Either way that £300 tag has to be justified otherwise there might be some broken windows in store...
Looks good does it? No, the X Box is massive, has funny shaped controllers, memory cards and looks kind of "cyborgy" but that's just my opinion. As ugly people tend to say, it's what’s inside that counts, so lets wait for some more screenshots, preferably not of HOTD3.
Public perception? Contrary to popular belief there aren't actually enough Microsoft employees to buy all the X Box's and make the venture a success, therefore, like it or not, some of you lot will be owning one! What do you think of the console? I don't see why you have to pay £20 or £30 for a card just to turn it into a DVD player - something dodgy there, but a fair few titles are looking rather tasty:
Sega's on board, and we can expect to see future versions of Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, House of the Dead and so on...
Great news is that Soul Calibur 2 is going multiple - GCN, XBOX and PS2 owners will be able to indulge in the world's finest weapons based beat 'em up, and of course Microsoft will have an artillery of 3rd party people to make exclusives for the console, rendering it the "must have", but then Sony and Nintendo have probably done the same...
My prediction? I'm not getting one (that'll change probably...) but I think Microsoft will be getting more space than the Nintendo Game Cube games with their X Box console. I reckon the PC games market will experience slow sales, with Microsoft's console soaking up the top PC game titles. This console will last much longer than the Dreamcast.
Sony!
Sony have the advantage of 20million units sold already, their PS one will undoubtedly and unduly outsell the Dreamcast this Christmas, but the PS2 will be under thousands of Xmas trees this year, and Sony will be having a laugh.
However. The PlayStation 2 is not the "nuts", it's not the greatest thing ever, and it hasn't produced THAT many amazing titles - Shenmue 2 outshines everything, but then the Dreamcast doesn't really count anymore, sadly, but the PS2 will sell well.
Sony have upped their advertising campaign, especially on television, with the 3rd Place popping up everywhere, but when the Game Cube and the X Box come out the PS2 won't be the newest kid on the block, and it will suffer in sales.
I do recommend this console, because it's excellent value at £200 because of it's DVD playback, but if you want 4player gaming you're gonna have to get a multi tap, something X Box and GC owners won't have to do. But so far, GTA3, GT3, Red Faction, SSX, FIFA 2002, Onimusha, Extermination, Time Splitters and more have shown what the console should be producing for the next few years. MGS2 2 will become the fastest selling game ever, ISS Pro 2 will prove superior to EA's football game, and the coloured PS2's will be worth at least 3 times the amount of normal PS2's.
Sony will have to hurry up with this online gaming or they can forget it if there's nothing out within the next 6 months...
Sony has money, more than Microsoft? No, but Sony also aren't as hated as Bill's chaps, for whatever reason (Windows...crashing...ahem...), I don't think PS2 owners will have anything to worry about though, although there will be X Box games to make us drool. :-)
Nintendo!
NINTENDO! EVERYONE IN JAPAN LOVES NINTENDO! Unfortunately everywhere else Nintendo's games machines STILL seem like they're being aimed at children - it is because of Mario, it is because of what the consoles look like and it is because, well, Pokemon anyone?
I will not judge the Game Cube based on it's current lack of "more adult" games, like racing games, fighting games and so forth, I don't know how well it'll do in this country, but people seem to be talking about it here all the time on these forums (or is it just Nintendo people shout the loudest?), Luigi's mansion has been criticised already, Zelda looks a bit cell shady, and well, at least Soul Calibur 2 is coming out on it!
Price is in favour with the GC - at £200 or less, this'll undercut the X Box, and you can even use the Game Boy Advances for controllers, which is nice isn't it!!
Sonic Team have adopted the Game Cube, so it'll get a lot of Sonic, PSO and other mad, but brilliant Sega games.
In Japan yes, but in Europe and the USA? I think the PS2 or X Box will destroy it.
Enough!
SEGA?
Ok, this month will probably be home to the release of 3 amazing games in Virtua Tennis 2, Shenmue 2 and Head Hunter - subject to being released on time of course, and so I hope you'll buy a Dreamcast if you don't have one at the moment - these games will rule, they will look and play amazingly, so don't miss out.
At the moment Sega have committed themselves to the X Box, PS2 and the Game Cube, and they will probably become the biggest software company in the world, somehow - but they better hurry up with games like VF4 and Space Channel 5 on the PS2.
Sega is everyone's best friend and could end up having the last laugh, watching all the other consoles destroy each other, but who knows.
Ok, that'll do,
Next Gen?
Tomorrow never happens, but the future of gaming, is here.
Thanks for reading!
Dan
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It better do, I need more games without switiching on my PC all the time.
The Dreamcast was the most revolutionary console to date, more than PS2 Xbox and GC put together. The little grey/white box was the first to have online console gaming (which by the way will really take off with broadband modems in the surviving consoles) I
t has the best catologue of games, though closely followed by Ps2, with the 'Life' game Shenmue; the game cost millions to create the system to power the thing and has the best storyline and fighting in a real time game. Also bringing Sonic into 3D, Samba De Amigo, and the FF beaters: Phanstasy Star online and Skies of Arcadia. If Sega had more money the DC would be brimming with a amazing and wonderful spectrum of games.
But alas it was not meant to be. Sony's rushed game console (which I do like by the way) destroyed a dream for gamers. With people getting overcome by Brand Name Syndrome, buying anything with Sony Playstation on leaving the gaming Elite playing on the Dreamcast :-( sigh.
But heading ever onwards Sega have become a third party company craeting games for everyone meaning that everyone will get to taste their gaming greatness. Their biggest support going to Microsoft and Sonic team working exclusively for Nintendo we are in for a real treat.
Who will win the war depends on the future but my prediction for the Three main gaming communities of the world are:
Japan: Nintendo (gamecube):With Sonic Team on their side they will send out a balst of cutesy Japanese games which the Japs will lap up with joy.
USA: Microsoft (Xbox) :The Americans will be patriotic and will be swayed that the Ginger haired, glasses wearing owner of Microsoft is American.
UK: Sony (PS2): Very close, but the playstation is what made gaming gaming in this country and remains our great nations favourite.
Etila
t has the best catologue of games, though closely followed by Ps2, with the 'Life' game Shenmue; the game cost millions to create the system to power the thing and has the best storyline and fighting in a real time game. Also bringing Sonic into 3D, Samba De Amigo, and the FF beaters: Phanstasy Star online and Skies of Arcadia. If Sega had more money the DC would be brimming with a amazing and wonderful spectrum of games.
But alas it was not meant to be. Sony's rushed game console (which I do like by the way) destroyed a dream for gamers. With people getting overcome by Brand Name Syndrome, buying anything with Sony Playstation on leaving the gaming Elite playing on the Dreamcast :-( sigh.
But heading ever onwards Sega have become a third party company craeting games for everyone meaning that everyone will get to taste their gaming greatness. Their biggest support going to Microsoft and Sonic team working exclusively for Nintendo we are in for a real treat.
Who will win the war depends on the future but my prediction for the Three main gaming communities of the world are:
Japan: Nintendo (gamecube):With Sonic Team on their side they will send out a balst of cutesy Japanese games which the Japs will lap up with joy.
USA: Microsoft (Xbox) :The Americans will be patriotic and will be swayed that the Ginger haired, glasses wearing owner of Microsoft is American.
UK: Sony (PS2): Very close, but the playstation is what made gaming gaming in this country and remains our great nations favourite.
Etila
Dreamcast. I just got mine. Well wikked. Thanx Dan
Just to let you know, if you did introduce Dringo to dooyoo thanx because he introduced be and I'm getting a bucket o'money under the name IanJC. If so, cheers.
Jcsuperstar: The Saviour of Souls
Just to let you know, if you did introduce Dringo to dooyoo thanx because he introduced be and I'm getting a bucket o'money under the name IanJC. If so, cheers.
Jcsuperstar: The Saviour of Souls
I started reading this at college.. I am still here at college... I am locked in the library..
...crap.
Anyway.. nice topic Dan.
...crap.
Anyway.. nice topic Dan.
Your Honour wrote:
While you lot are all arguing over which ones better, I'll be busy
> playing games.
Nope, your busy telling us its pointless to argue over games. So really, YOU are joining in the console war.
While you lot are all arguing over which ones better, I'll be busy
> playing games.
Nope, your busy telling us its pointless to argue over games. So really, YOU are joining in the console war.
In the past Nintendo have been associated with children's gaming, with such titles as Mario and the like with very few "Resi Evil" games being released, and so on - their console still looks weird, but can they lose the stigma attached to them even tho they are getting some amazing games?
That's what I meant.
Sorry Dringo,
That's what I meant.
Sorry Dringo,
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