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Tue 13/11/01 at 15:30
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Since critics got their hands on Luigi's Mansion they've said nothing but how short and poorly textured the game is. They moaned about how the game was too samey and how the game's only pro was the physics. But who are they to say that?

For those of you that don't know, Shigeru Miyamoto is probably one of, if not the best games designer in the world. Now... with this guy being as good as he is, don't you think that he knows what he's doing? So what if the textures don't stand out? The game's short? What about Conker or Devil May Cry.

Capcom's Devil May Cry, released later this month, only takes about 10-12 hours to complete - the same as Luigi's Mansion. Dante blasts away with his dual handguns and slashes with his sword for the entire game, he hardly does anything else save for solving a few puzzles... Luigi on the other hand, searches for money, keys and other items, captures ghosts, solves some small puzzles and makes you laugh.

Plus, Luigi's Mansion took an ADULT 12-Hours to complete, for the suggested player of 5-15; it could very well take up to about 25 hours! Devil May Cry took the same Gamespot reviewer 10 Hours... If the suggested players of the right age were each to play their respective games at 9:00 in the morning, I'd almost guarantee that the young boy/girl would complete Luigi's Mansion way after the man/woman had completed Devil May Cry - maybe even the next day.

They can complain about how the game is so short and how the visuals aren't great, but for a boy of 10, who's always wanted a game like this and who spends 25 hours on it, it's perfect. However, if this boys dad had looked on Gamespot or IGN and said "I don't know son, try this StarFox Adventures game instead, because the other one's supposed to be short and easy" and the boy gets SFA only to find out its too hard and Mario isn't in it, he'll be gutted! Luigi wasn't made for the adult - it's like a rugby player complaining that a ballet dress doesn't fit him!

If you asked a person within Luigi's Mansion's target market to rate the game, you might get a genuine answer, but how, when the age difference is so prolific, can we take what Mr. Gamesoracle from www.gamesknowitalls.com says about a game seriously, when clearly, people”Ēs tastes range so widely?! I'm not knocking reviews, and heaven knows they've helped many people decide on their dream game for Christmases past, but surely we can't rely fully on them.

I suppose one argument for reviews in general is that they compare games to other games and to the power of the console. But really, when you have a 30-Year-Old 'lad' playing a game like Luigi that is primarily designed for kids, how can you take what he says with seriously?

Maybe it's just me, but a lot of people seem to shun certain consoles and games because of the developer, the stereotype the company is subject to, or through loyalty...

Any comments?


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Tue 13/11/01 at 16:20
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Hve you seen the latest NGC magazine? It tells us of Nintendo's "stunning" new direction - smaller, easier games at the same price as before, to suit the younger gamers and of course - the devlopers. Nintendo are indeed getting lazy. Oh well, at least there's third party stuff. And the PS2. Phew.
Tue 13/11/01 at 16:15
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Hmmm, you have a very vaild point, but maybe he should try and write reviews from a childs perspective - how they see the game, what they may or may not like and why.

I dunno....
Tue 13/11/01 at 16:01
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Well yes and no.

Yes because the target audience would be the ones reviewing it and not some "ancient 30" yr old.

But no because kids are stupid.
I mean that in a nice way.
You give a 7yr a copy of Army Men 3 and he's going to love it, "it has nice graphics and you make the army men move about and shoot", but when someone above 7 plays it, they smash the console repeatedly with their fists because the game sucks.

Kids are way too easy to please, and would give games constant 10/10 reviews because, let's face it, they're kids.

I don't know if an adult would be naturally biased, simply because he's older.
Would you still be slating his review if he said it was the best game ever?
Personally I wouldn't pay any attention to a review written by a kid, for that exact reason.
Tue 13/11/01 at 15:53
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I wouldn't, however, trust that old dinosaur FM on what he thinks is a good game, because we like such different things.

We both like SoA though - Damn good game.

You see what I mean though - Adults rewviewing kids games is daft... they should get their kids to do it!


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Tue 13/11/01 at 15:48
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The man who reviewed this game, who was about 30 years of age, isn't who this game was intended for. Franky, I don't care what he says.

The game is for a 5-15 year olds. Not a 30 year-old. How can anyone of the suggested age range take what this guy says as 'true'?!

They can't...

I'd trust Bonus' or Grix's reviews, because being of roughly the same age, and roughly of the the same gaming ability, we expect the same from games.
Tue 13/11/01 at 15:35
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The Game wrote:
> Since critics got their hands on Luigi's Mansion they've said nothing but how
> short and poorly textured the game is. They moaned about how the game was too
> samey and how the game's only pro was the physics. But who are they to say
> that?

So the reviews are slating this game on:

Graphics
Gameplay
Playability
Originality

Doesn't seem like there's a whole lot to buy this for then?
I'm not being deliberately difficult, but if the reviews don't like the basic elements of a game, that means it sucks, no?
Tue 13/11/01 at 15:32
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I think it's ironic that the best looking games this year are coming out on the Dreamcast.


Shenmue

Head Hunter

Virtua Tennis 2

Cracks me up every time...
Tue 13/11/01 at 15:30
Regular
"Fishing For Reddies"
Posts: 4,986
Since critics got their hands on Luigi's Mansion they've said nothing but how short and poorly textured the game is. They moaned about how the game was too samey and how the game's only pro was the physics. But who are they to say that?

For those of you that don't know, Shigeru Miyamoto is probably one of, if not the best games designer in the world. Now... with this guy being as good as he is, don't you think that he knows what he's doing? So what if the textures don't stand out? The game's short? What about Conker or Devil May Cry.

Capcom's Devil May Cry, released later this month, only takes about 10-12 hours to complete - the same as Luigi's Mansion. Dante blasts away with his dual handguns and slashes with his sword for the entire game, he hardly does anything else save for solving a few puzzles... Luigi on the other hand, searches for money, keys and other items, captures ghosts, solves some small puzzles and makes you laugh.

Plus, Luigi's Mansion took an ADULT 12-Hours to complete, for the suggested player of 5-15; it could very well take up to about 25 hours! Devil May Cry took the same Gamespot reviewer 10 Hours... If the suggested players of the right age were each to play their respective games at 9:00 in the morning, I'd almost guarantee that the young boy/girl would complete Luigi's Mansion way after the man/woman had completed Devil May Cry - maybe even the next day.

They can complain about how the game is so short and how the visuals aren't great, but for a boy of 10, who's always wanted a game like this and who spends 25 hours on it, it's perfect. However, if this boys dad had looked on Gamespot or IGN and said "I don't know son, try this StarFox Adventures game instead, because the other one's supposed to be short and easy" and the boy gets SFA only to find out its too hard and Mario isn't in it, he'll be gutted! Luigi wasn't made for the adult - it's like a rugby player complaining that a ballet dress doesn't fit him!

If you asked a person within Luigi's Mansion's target market to rate the game, you might get a genuine answer, but how, when the age difference is so prolific, can we take what Mr. Gamesoracle from www.gamesknowitalls.com says about a game seriously, when clearly, people”Ēs tastes range so widely?! I'm not knocking reviews, and heaven knows they've helped many people decide on their dream game for Christmases past, but surely we can't rely fully on them.

I suppose one argument for reviews in general is that they compare games to other games and to the power of the console. But really, when you have a 30-Year-Old 'lad' playing a game like Luigi that is primarily designed for kids, how can you take what he says with seriously?

Maybe it's just me, but a lot of people seem to shun certain consoles and games because of the developer, the stereotype the company is subject to, or through loyalty...

Any comments?


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