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They go with the flow, they don't know what really is what and they are currently buying the Playstation 2 games. Who are they? Gaming newbies, of the worst kind, they buy the games which should never have been released (Simpsons Wrestling). Why do they do it? Media promotion is the answer.
They saw the Simpsons Wrestling game in an advert, and connotated that it must be good because its got the yellow family in it. And nothing beats them. This intertextuality is what makes the majority of games so very bad and pointless to buy. Its my answer to what has happened to the gaming market.
Companies now think with a name, a license or a trademark they will make the profit to continue (for all of them its about profit). Intertertextuality is a cross from one media into another (basically just crossing the other for a direct selling market). Its happened from books to films, films to games and even games back to films.
Its not the gaming newbies faults, things are directed straight at them and its odds on favorite that it will meet the target. If your current hobby or most popular past time was advertised as a game and made to look glamourus and great then you would most very likely consider buying it. If a kite surfing game no matter how bad was released on any platform at the moment I would try and get it no matter what the console, simply because it 'rulez'.
Its a sad fact, but everything has an immediate impression on us, we sterotype and categorize everything we sense, sadly, gaming is just another one of them.
These gaming newbies will one day grow up to see sense and only buy what should be released, but the circle will continue as more newbies will spring from behind the cupboards to cause a pointlessness to most of the sold games. Have a look at the charts. Its a mess.
Thinking of it now, I know the answer to why the Nintendo64 failed, its because it didn't have the gaming newbies it needed to succeed, they all went for the Playstation simply for the reasons above, it directed its shoddy games at them. Infact, that may be the key to which future console will succeed and ride high the gaming world. The G@min n00bies.
Peace. Out. Discuss.
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er-no
They saw the Simpsons Wrestling game in an advert, and connotated that it must be good because its got the yellow family in it. And nothing beats them. This intertextuality is what makes the majority of games so very bad and pointless to buy. Its my answer to what has happened to the gaming market.
Companies now think with a name, a license or a trademark they will make the profit to continue (for all of them its about profit). Intertertextuality is a cross from one media into another (basically just crossing the other for a direct selling market). Its happened from books to films, films to games and even games back to films.
Its not the gaming newbies faults, things are directed straight at them and its odds on favorite that it will meet the target. If your current hobby or most popular past time was advertised as a game and made to look glamourus and great then you would most very likely consider buying it. If a kite surfing game no matter how bad was released on any platform at the moment I would try and get it no matter what the console, simply because it 'rulez'.
Its a sad fact, but everything has an immediate impression on us, we sterotype and categorize everything we sense, sadly, gaming is just another one of them.
These gaming newbies will one day grow up to see sense and only buy what should be released, but the circle will continue as more newbies will spring from behind the cupboards to cause a pointlessness to most of the sold games. Have a look at the charts. Its a mess.
Thinking of it now, I know the answer to why the Nintendo64 failed, its because it didn't have the gaming newbies it needed to succeed, they all went for the Playstation simply for the reasons above, it directed its shoddy games at them. Infact, that may be the key to which future console will succeed and ride high the gaming world. The G@min n00bies.
Peace. Out. Discuss.
Thanks
er-no
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Presuming Ed wrote:
> Ant wrote:
Well, that's opinion-based. The PSX beat the N64 hands-down,
>
> and it wasn't just because of advertising.
How are you rating which console
> won?
By sales or by titles quality/originality?
or... ???
He doesn't really know exactly.
For if he was doing it on shares, he would be wrong. Nintendo earned the most shares in the life of the N64.
> Ant wrote:
Well, that's opinion-based. The PSX beat the N64 hands-down,
>
> and it wasn't just because of advertising.
How are you rating which console
> won?
By sales or by titles quality/originality?
or... ???
He doesn't really know exactly.
For if he was doing it on shares, he would be wrong. Nintendo earned the most shares in the life of the N64.
Ant wrote:
> Actually er-no, the N64 failed due to the fact that they did no advertising
> whatsoever (and what they did was rubbish,) and the fact that it only appealed
> to people the age of under 12, really. You have to admit it-even Miyamoto has
> said that Nintendo is directed to a younger audience.
Nice contradiction there Ant. You say Nintendo had no advertising whatsoever, then contradict yourself by saying that what they did have was rubbish.
> Actually er-no, the N64 failed due to the fact that they did no advertising
> whatsoever (and what they did was rubbish,) and the fact that it only appealed
> to people the age of under 12, really. You have to admit it-even Miyamoto has
> said that Nintendo is directed to a younger audience.
Nice contradiction there Ant. You say Nintendo had no advertising whatsoever, then contradict yourself by saying that what they did have was rubbish.
Ant wrote:
Well, that's opinion-based. The PSX beat the N64 hands-down,
> and it wasn't just because of advertising.
How are you rating which console won?
By sales or by titles quality/originality?
or... ???
Well, that's opinion-based. The PSX beat the N64 hands-down,
> and it wasn't just because of advertising.
How are you rating which console won?
By sales or by titles quality/originality?
or... ???
Although, if you were saying that the shoddy games the PSX did have (and there were quite a few of them, the FIFA updates for one,) were directed towards gaming newbies, then I would agree.
Actually er-no, the N64 failed due to the fact that they did no advertising whatsoever (and what they did was rubbish,) and the fact that it only appealed to people the age of under 12, really. You have to admit it-even Miyamoto has said that Nintendo is directed to a younger audience.
"'Shoddy PSX games.'"
Well, that's opinion-based. The PSX beat the N64 hands-down, and it wasn't just because of advertising.
"'Shoddy PSX games.'"
Well, that's opinion-based. The PSX beat the N64 hands-down, and it wasn't just because of advertising.
true true
there are some quality games out there as well as some manufactorers who just can't make a really crap game (westwood and Rare)
there are some quality games out there as well as some manufactorers who just can't make a really crap game (westwood and Rare)
The best way to form an opinion is to listen to all the information you can. Information on the PS2 is easily accessible since it's one of those image things (now at least) just like mobile phones. I've never understood the attraction of mind melting radiation so that you can call your friend on a bus and irritate all the people around you while not understanding a word of the conversation anyway. At least with the PS2 you get some decent games and such, though to be honest the games lack anything that a PC game can't offer. Apart from the fighting games but I'm not a big fan of those. The wrestling games are apparently good but I don't think it's worth getting a console just for that. I think that Nintendo's biggest advantage is that their games are quite unique and of a style rarely seen on any other format. If they used this more and let people know about it I think they could do much better in the sales field.
When were the PS2 ads aired?
I saw them twice... maybe three times?
And to be honest, it wasnt that I thought they were crap... more, instantly forgettable?
It seemed that although Lynch directed the ads, he had no input inthe creative process of the ads... so all he did was stick the camera infrom of two guys, who sat there and did nothing, because the special effects guys stuck on the head and beackground later?
Just a publicity stunt?
I saw them twice... maybe three times?
And to be honest, it wasnt that I thought they were crap... more, instantly forgettable?
It seemed that although Lynch directed the ads, he had no input inthe creative process of the ads... so all he did was stick the camera infrom of two guys, who sat there and did nothing, because the special effects guys stuck on the head and beackground later?
Just a publicity stunt?
Blistad Fingas wrote:
> er-no wrote:
Its a sad fact, but everything has an immediate impression on us,
> we
> sterotype and categorize everything we sense
Which is exactly what
> you've done by stating that new gamers choose the playstation simply because
> they don't know any better. A claim that is both rubbish and insulting to me as
> a ps2 owner.
I've been gaming for years and I got myself a ps2 recently
> because the games are too good to miss out on. I traded in my dreamcast and my
> n64 about a month ago. I got tired of the games i had and wanted a fresh new
> source of entertainment.
I just want something different, and at the moment that's
> available on the ps2. That's why I bought it, not because I know nothing.
You kind of contradicted yourself there mate, I said newbie gamers, you posted you have been playing games for years. That in effect shows that I wasn't directing my comment at you at all?
I was talking about the newbie gamers whos minds are made up by what they see everyday and hear, without following there own opinion.
> er-no wrote:
Its a sad fact, but everything has an immediate impression on us,
> we
> sterotype and categorize everything we sense
Which is exactly what
> you've done by stating that new gamers choose the playstation simply because
> they don't know any better. A claim that is both rubbish and insulting to me as
> a ps2 owner.
I've been gaming for years and I got myself a ps2 recently
> because the games are too good to miss out on. I traded in my dreamcast and my
> n64 about a month ago. I got tired of the games i had and wanted a fresh new
> source of entertainment.
I just want something different, and at the moment that's
> available on the ps2. That's why I bought it, not because I know nothing.
You kind of contradicted yourself there mate, I said newbie gamers, you posted you have been playing games for years. That in effect shows that I wasn't directing my comment at you at all?
I was talking about the newbie gamers whos minds are made up by what they see everyday and hear, without following there own opinion.
I don't believe the old saying "all publicity is good publicity". Those PS2 adverts only put me off both Sony and their consoles. I think they could have used Resident Evil's intro as an advert for it, that would probably have been acceptable. It maybe wouldn't convince me to buy a PS2 but it probably wouldn't put me off buying a PS2 and that's a good thing. I wonder if anyone else is put off by those adverts and more importantly would anyone admit to being influenced by them? All they do really is remind you of the PS2s existence, so I don't see why they couldn't have just had the logo appearing from time to time. The Donkey Kong advert for the N64 (also the DK intro) was far better than all the PS2 adverts put together.
Maybe the PC has a bad reputation with some fools... I mean gamers... especially younger ones because it is rarely seen in the public eye of television. Perhaps it was the TV advertising of Sony that allowed people to realise that computers were infact good and so gaming became socially acceptable. Still, if only those adverts had been good.
Maybe the PC has a bad reputation with some fools... I mean gamers... especially younger ones because it is rarely seen in the public eye of television. Perhaps it was the TV advertising of Sony that allowed people to realise that computers were infact good and so gaming became socially acceptable. Still, if only those adverts had been good.
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