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Nintendo’s obsession with GTA these days seems highly strange, constantly commenting on its mass-market appeal and how it is the “big thing” in the west. It was a wake up call for Nintendo; not all “big things” come from them. Granted most do, Mario, to an extent Zelda and Pokemon have been the biggest money grabbing games ever to grace the world. It is fair to say some do come from other sources, Sonic and Street Fighter being apt choices but it is Grand Theft Auto that is currently generating the most game revenue. And Nintendo believe, to overtake Sony, they’ll need to create a game like it. It needs to be original, it needs to offer something no other game can… and it needs to be good.
So begins Nintendo’s rather overly obsessive desire to find the “next big thing”. One method Nintendo tried (and failed) was the big “Kirby push”, Kirby is one of those characters that can sell games but… well nothing on the level of Mario or Zelda, and in America and Japan began a push to sell it just like they sold Pokemon. Free kids toys were presented in various fast food chains, a Fox cartoon was launched and several sets of merchandise was created, and although this did succeed in widening the popularity of Kirby, it didn’t create the Pokemon type phenomena Nintendo were hoping for.
Nintendo of course are still producing new franchises at regular intervals, this era of the “console war” brought about the introduction of Pikmin. Pikmin easily deserves to be “The next big thing” and yet the disability to explore really dampened its hopes and despite selling very well it didn’t reach record-breaking sales. On the other hand it wasn’t a total disaster, Pikmin has established itself a cult following and it is still one of the most original Gamecube adventures, so it heralds a sequel. I won’t pretend that this sequel will sell on GTA proportions and become a system seller overnight, but it could be a series that builds in momentum over various games. Nevertheless Miyamoto has hopes for his sequel when he said:
“I think Pikmin 2 this year is going to end up being one of our most fun games - we've actually removed the time limit, that was in the original Pikmin, so there's going to be a much greater degree of freedom within the game. Obviously Pikmin is a very different concept to Grand Theft Auto, but the underlying idea of being free to do what you want is there and I think that's going to be a very popular game for us.”
Yet Pikmin isn’t the only “new” Nintendo franchise, Animal Crossing could easily reach the status of “Sims for the youngsters” (a market EA hasn’t cornered), yet it requires a good marketing strategy… so there’s that idea out the window. Metroid Prime is another game that deserves GTA style status and although it sold well it didn’t mimic the sales of GTA, and yet like Pikmin, further Metroid Prime sequels may generate sales on Pokemon proportions. And Nintendo are perfectly happy with continuing the franchises, but it means these aren’t the “Next big things”… and Nintendo are desperate to find it. Could it be possible that Nintendo may have to get their “next big thing” from a 3rd party source? Does this mean Nintendo will have to be nice to them?
So began Nintendo’s desire to work along side some of the biggest names in the industry, as Nintendo offer them deals they can’t refuse… and attempt to persuade them to launch their “new” idea on their system. Capcom and Nintendo worked together on the Gameboy Zelda adventures and were the first company to come under Nintendo’s wing, Konami and Nintendo (along with Silicon Knights) are working together to bringing Metal Gear Solid to the Gamecube. Namco and Nintendo are working closely with Link in Soul Calibur 2 and of course that all-important Star fox sequel. SEGA and Nintendo constantly work closely especially with the F Zero game and even Square-Enix has jumped into the Nintendo bandwagon with Final Fantasy. EA is the first company to gain Nintendo support in the west, with over 20 games planned and connectivity features aided by Mr. Miyamoto. Yet despite all these games preparing to sell millions, these aren’t the games Nintendo are after…
Nintendo wants the Billy Hatcher’s, the Killer 7’s, the Viewtiful Joe’s… Nintendo want the new franchises. Will any of these reach the status of the “next big thing”? Who knows? Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg looks incredibly promising and will probably be a brilliant game. It could easily become a smash hit with the younger generation, although whether another Platformer will reach a phenomenal status like Sonic and Mario did is another thing entirely. It is the Capcom lot though that needs to be watched, Production Studio 4 could well be gearing up for a smash hit title. Product number: 03 didn’t do it, and I never really had much hope for it, Dead Phoenix seems to have disappeared off of the face of the earth… but Killer 7 and Viewtiful Joe on the other hand. Killer 7 is a stylised violent game that looks frankly incredible, I wouldn’t be surprised if this sells more than its fair share of units. And Viewtiful Joe has already been tipped by IGN as “the next big thing”; it has a very wide appeal and looks to contain some of the best gameplay we’ll experience this year.
But of course we’re probably totally wrong, perhaps, like GTA, it’ll be a regenerated franchise. It could be the new 3D worms game, perhaps Resident Evil 4 will breath new life into the series… who knows? Lets just hope, with these improved third party ties, these new franchises and future sequels… “The next big thing” will be on a Nintendo console. Of course we shouldn’t forget the ever-looming Q fund, which was set up in the hope of finding the next Pokemon.
Miyamoto on E3: - “we haven't really shown titles that we hope to stand against Grand Theft Auto, something like that we might try to show next year or sometime after.”
Here's to the future.
Dringo
So begins Nintendo’s rather overly obsessive desire to find the “next big thing”. One method Nintendo tried (and failed) was the big “Kirby push”, Kirby is one of those characters that can sell games but… well nothing on the level of Mario or Zelda, and in America and Japan began a push to sell it just like they sold Pokemon. Free kids toys were presented in various fast food chains, a Fox cartoon was launched and several sets of merchandise was created, and although this did succeed in widening the popularity of Kirby, it didn’t create the Pokemon type phenomena Nintendo were hoping for.
Nintendo of course are still producing new franchises at regular intervals, this era of the “console war” brought about the introduction of Pikmin. Pikmin easily deserves to be “The next big thing” and yet the disability to explore really dampened its hopes and despite selling very well it didn’t reach record-breaking sales. On the other hand it wasn’t a total disaster, Pikmin has established itself a cult following and it is still one of the most original Gamecube adventures, so it heralds a sequel. I won’t pretend that this sequel will sell on GTA proportions and become a system seller overnight, but it could be a series that builds in momentum over various games. Nevertheless Miyamoto has hopes for his sequel when he said:
“I think Pikmin 2 this year is going to end up being one of our most fun games - we've actually removed the time limit, that was in the original Pikmin, so there's going to be a much greater degree of freedom within the game. Obviously Pikmin is a very different concept to Grand Theft Auto, but the underlying idea of being free to do what you want is there and I think that's going to be a very popular game for us.”
Yet Pikmin isn’t the only “new” Nintendo franchise, Animal Crossing could easily reach the status of “Sims for the youngsters” (a market EA hasn’t cornered), yet it requires a good marketing strategy… so there’s that idea out the window. Metroid Prime is another game that deserves GTA style status and although it sold well it didn’t mimic the sales of GTA, and yet like Pikmin, further Metroid Prime sequels may generate sales on Pokemon proportions. And Nintendo are perfectly happy with continuing the franchises, but it means these aren’t the “Next big things”… and Nintendo are desperate to find it. Could it be possible that Nintendo may have to get their “next big thing” from a 3rd party source? Does this mean Nintendo will have to be nice to them?
So began Nintendo’s desire to work along side some of the biggest names in the industry, as Nintendo offer them deals they can’t refuse… and attempt to persuade them to launch their “new” idea on their system. Capcom and Nintendo worked together on the Gameboy Zelda adventures and were the first company to come under Nintendo’s wing, Konami and Nintendo (along with Silicon Knights) are working together to bringing Metal Gear Solid to the Gamecube. Namco and Nintendo are working closely with Link in Soul Calibur 2 and of course that all-important Star fox sequel. SEGA and Nintendo constantly work closely especially with the F Zero game and even Square-Enix has jumped into the Nintendo bandwagon with Final Fantasy. EA is the first company to gain Nintendo support in the west, with over 20 games planned and connectivity features aided by Mr. Miyamoto. Yet despite all these games preparing to sell millions, these aren’t the games Nintendo are after…
Nintendo wants the Billy Hatcher’s, the Killer 7’s, the Viewtiful Joe’s… Nintendo want the new franchises. Will any of these reach the status of the “next big thing”? Who knows? Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg looks incredibly promising and will probably be a brilliant game. It could easily become a smash hit with the younger generation, although whether another Platformer will reach a phenomenal status like Sonic and Mario did is another thing entirely. It is the Capcom lot though that needs to be watched, Production Studio 4 could well be gearing up for a smash hit title. Product number: 03 didn’t do it, and I never really had much hope for it, Dead Phoenix seems to have disappeared off of the face of the earth… but Killer 7 and Viewtiful Joe on the other hand. Killer 7 is a stylised violent game that looks frankly incredible, I wouldn’t be surprised if this sells more than its fair share of units. And Viewtiful Joe has already been tipped by IGN as “the next big thing”; it has a very wide appeal and looks to contain some of the best gameplay we’ll experience this year.
But of course we’re probably totally wrong, perhaps, like GTA, it’ll be a regenerated franchise. It could be the new 3D worms game, perhaps Resident Evil 4 will breath new life into the series… who knows? Lets just hope, with these improved third party ties, these new franchises and future sequels… “The next big thing” will be on a Nintendo console. Of course we shouldn’t forget the ever-looming Q fund, which was set up in the hope of finding the next Pokemon.
Miyamoto on E3: - “we haven't really shown titles that we hope to stand against Grand Theft Auto, something like that we might try to show next year or sometime after.”
Here's to the future.
Dringo
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And good.
And mucho less repetitive.
And more than two hours long.
Fire Emblem sounds class - that's Marth and Roy, right? Market it correctly (very unlikely for Nintendo :D) and people could see it as the next Devil May Cry or something, except more magical and less horror.
Solskjær wrote:
> Nintendo keep hiding their Custom Robo's and Fire Emblen's away from
> Europe.
We're getting a Custom Robo game!!
> Nintendo keep hiding their Custom Robo's and Fire Emblen's away from
> Europe.
We're getting a Custom Robo game!!
Mario: Assassin (Hitman esque game)
The Legend Of Zelda: Undercover Agent Spy Person (Stealthy FPS)
Kirby: Fast And Funky ("Realistic" Driving gmae)
Metroid Crime (Crime sim on another planet)
Starfox: Hedgehog Killer (Another FPS)
Donkey Kong Brawl: A fighting game
F-Zero can stay as it is.
THere, those would appeal to the modern market, and I've just realised that metroid Crime sound alarmingly like Metroid Prime.
The Legend Of Zelda: Undercover Agent Spy Person (Stealthy FPS)
Kirby: Fast And Funky ("Realistic" Driving gmae)
Metroid Crime (Crime sim on another planet)
Starfox: Hedgehog Killer (Another FPS)
Donkey Kong Brawl: A fighting game
F-Zero can stay as it is.
THere, those would appeal to the modern market, and I've just realised that metroid Crime sound alarmingly like Metroid Prime.
I wouldn't really like to see Nintendo produce a game which bears simillarities to Grand Theft Auto - despited how much success it "could" - and ONLY could - bring them, in the future.
It just wouldn't be them, to me. Crime-sims aren't their thing. And "cool" games are hardly their thing, either - the GameCube needs developers like Silicon Knights and Capcom, for that.
The last thing we want is to see Nintendo turning into one of those many companies who SONY's PlayStations owe all their success to, slowly deteriorating the quallity, hard-work and innovation that goes into the latest Super Mario and Legend of Zelda titles.
Creating just ONE GTA-style game, and it being a success, could cause Miyamoto and co. to start 'changing their views' on some of their other, less-succesful, but "more creative" titles.
I don't know what 'the next big thing', game-wise, will be...
But just as long as Nintendo keep doing things the way they are, I'm sure they'll soon come up with another Animal Crossing, or something.
I have to wonder how different things could've been had Animal Crossing actually been RELEASED over here...!
I can't help but think it will only damage their status, further, if Nintendo keep hiding their Custom Robo's and Fire Emblen's away from Europe.
It just wouldn't be them, to me. Crime-sims aren't their thing. And "cool" games are hardly their thing, either - the GameCube needs developers like Silicon Knights and Capcom, for that.
The last thing we want is to see Nintendo turning into one of those many companies who SONY's PlayStations owe all their success to, slowly deteriorating the quallity, hard-work and innovation that goes into the latest Super Mario and Legend of Zelda titles.
Creating just ONE GTA-style game, and it being a success, could cause Miyamoto and co. to start 'changing their views' on some of their other, less-succesful, but "more creative" titles.
I don't know what 'the next big thing', game-wise, will be...
But just as long as Nintendo keep doing things the way they are, I'm sure they'll soon come up with another Animal Crossing, or something.
I have to wonder how different things could've been had Animal Crossing actually been RELEASED over here...!
I can't help but think it will only damage their status, further, if Nintendo keep hiding their Custom Robo's and Fire Emblen's away from Europe.
Tiltawhirl wrote:
> How about a game where you get to slap Nintendo Europe for being such
> a lazy bunch of cockmasters?
What's the point of making a game about it...
*Gets on bike*
> How about a game where you get to slap Nintendo Europe for being such
> a lazy bunch of cockmasters?
What's the point of making a game about it...
*Gets on bike*
I'll buy like 4 copies of that!
How about a game where you get to slap Nintendo Europe for being such a lazy bunch of cockmasters?
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