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A local news story:
A Pedestrian died in an accident which closed the M1 yesterday and caused traffic chaos throughout Derbyshire.
A man, in his 20s, was hit by a lorry on the northbound carriageway of the motorway, near junction 28, the Alfreton turn-off, at about 12.30pm.
He had been driving a silver Vauxhall car which police said he had stopped on the hard shoulder.
Both carriageways were shut for more than five hours from junctions 26, Ripley, to junction 28, causing tailbacks of up to 12 miles.
Drivers leaving the motorway hit tailbacks on most alternative routes through Derby and Derbyshire, including the A38 and A52.
Motorists queued in both directions on the A61 between the Pentagon and Little Eaton roundabouts and on the A38 between Mickleover and Little Eaton island.
Drivers were also caught in congestion on the A52 at Sandiacre and on the A610 at Ripley.
A spokesman for AA Roadwatch said: "Slip roads were closed to prevent drivers getting on to the motorway."
The motorway reopened at 5.45pm.
On the local news website you can post comments to every story and this is what "annonymous" posted:
The finger of blame clearly lies with the Police in this. Our finely balanced road network simply cannot cope with closing motorways in todays climes. This is not the first time Police go completely over the top in accident scnarios and are the route cause of complete chaos. Everyone accepts the sensitivity of a fatal accident but regardless of this through access should ALWAYS be maintained on motorways. The Police need to rethink their dracaconian strategy in dealing with such incidents. Are they not aware that families and children are sitting in standstill traffic for hours on end on a multiple unacceptable scale. Shame on our Police force for this unacceptable chaos. They should hold their head in shame. More importantly lets see some reactive action to make sure this mess does not happen again.
Do you think he's right or not? I think he's wrong, any loss of life should be treated with respect and dignity and a full investigation if it happens like this. So what if a few people got held up, I'm sure if it was someone you knew you'd want it investigated thorougly.
By the way this is the reply from the Deputy Chief Constable:
am heartened to read the compassionate and understanding comments of those responding to "anonymous, anonymous". The decision to close a major road like the M1 is not taken lightly - I understand the massive impact of doing so and the inconvenience it causes to many people, including the added poloicing problems associated with it. However, it would be a very sad day indeed if ever society regarded the tragic loss of a human life as secondary to the continuous free flow of traffic. A good indication of any society's values is the manner in which it respects its citizens in death. Every person who loses their life deserves the same respect, irrespective of the nature of their death, and I offer no apology for the Derbyshire Constabulary's commitment to affording that respect, not only to the deceased but also to the loved ones they leave behind. If "anonymous" feels able to contact me then I will ensure that he/she fully understands what police officers do on behalf of our society and what is involved in dealing with a fatal traffic collision, from dealing with the scene to making that lonely walk down the garden path to knock on the door and shatter someone's world. Perhaps then "anonymous" will rethink whose head needs to be held in shame.
Alan Goodwin, Deputy Chief Constable, Derbyshire Police HQ
A Pedestrian died in an accident which closed the M1 yesterday and caused traffic chaos throughout Derbyshire.
A man, in his 20s, was hit by a lorry on the northbound carriageway of the motorway, near junction 28, the Alfreton turn-off, at about 12.30pm.
He had been driving a silver Vauxhall car which police said he had stopped on the hard shoulder.
Both carriageways were shut for more than five hours from junctions 26, Ripley, to junction 28, causing tailbacks of up to 12 miles.
Drivers leaving the motorway hit tailbacks on most alternative routes through Derby and Derbyshire, including the A38 and A52.
Motorists queued in both directions on the A61 between the Pentagon and Little Eaton roundabouts and on the A38 between Mickleover and Little Eaton island.
Drivers were also caught in congestion on the A52 at Sandiacre and on the A610 at Ripley.
A spokesman for AA Roadwatch said: "Slip roads were closed to prevent drivers getting on to the motorway."
The motorway reopened at 5.45pm.
On the local news website you can post comments to every story and this is what "annonymous" posted:
The finger of blame clearly lies with the Police in this. Our finely balanced road network simply cannot cope with closing motorways in todays climes. This is not the first time Police go completely over the top in accident scnarios and are the route cause of complete chaos. Everyone accepts the sensitivity of a fatal accident but regardless of this through access should ALWAYS be maintained on motorways. The Police need to rethink their dracaconian strategy in dealing with such incidents. Are they not aware that families and children are sitting in standstill traffic for hours on end on a multiple unacceptable scale. Shame on our Police force for this unacceptable chaos. They should hold their head in shame. More importantly lets see some reactive action to make sure this mess does not happen again.
Do you think he's right or not? I think he's wrong, any loss of life should be treated with respect and dignity and a full investigation if it happens like this. So what if a few people got held up, I'm sure if it was someone you knew you'd want it investigated thorougly.
By the way this is the reply from the Deputy Chief Constable:
am heartened to read the compassionate and understanding comments of those responding to "anonymous, anonymous". The decision to close a major road like the M1 is not taken lightly - I understand the massive impact of doing so and the inconvenience it causes to many people, including the added poloicing problems associated with it. However, it would be a very sad day indeed if ever society regarded the tragic loss of a human life as secondary to the continuous free flow of traffic. A good indication of any society's values is the manner in which it respects its citizens in death. Every person who loses their life deserves the same respect, irrespective of the nature of their death, and I offer no apology for the Derbyshire Constabulary's commitment to affording that respect, not only to the deceased but also to the loved ones they leave behind. If "anonymous" feels able to contact me then I will ensure that he/she fully understands what police officers do on behalf of our society and what is involved in dealing with a fatal traffic collision, from dealing with the scene to making that lonely walk down the garden path to knock on the door and shatter someone's world. Perhaps then "anonymous" will rethink whose head needs to be held in shame.
Alan Goodwin, Deputy Chief Constable, Derbyshire Police HQ
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A local news story:
A Pedestrian died in an accident which closed the M1 yesterday and caused traffic chaos throughout Derbyshire.
A man, in his 20s, was hit by a lorry on the northbound carriageway of the motorway, near junction 28, the Alfreton turn-off, at about 12.30pm.
He had been driving a silver Vauxhall car which police said he had stopped on the hard shoulder.
Both carriageways were shut for more than five hours from junctions 26, Ripley, to junction 28, causing tailbacks of up to 12 miles.
Drivers leaving the motorway hit tailbacks on most alternative routes through Derby and Derbyshire, including the A38 and A52.
Motorists queued in both directions on the A61 between the Pentagon and Little Eaton roundabouts and on the A38 between Mickleover and Little Eaton island.
Drivers were also caught in congestion on the A52 at Sandiacre and on the A610 at Ripley.
A spokesman for AA Roadwatch said: "Slip roads were closed to prevent drivers getting on to the motorway."
The motorway reopened at 5.45pm.
On the local news website you can post comments to every story and this is what "annonymous" posted:
The finger of blame clearly lies with the Police in this. Our finely balanced road network simply cannot cope with closing motorways in todays climes. This is not the first time Police go completely over the top in accident scnarios and are the route cause of complete chaos. Everyone accepts the sensitivity of a fatal accident but regardless of this through access should ALWAYS be maintained on motorways. The Police need to rethink their dracaconian strategy in dealing with such incidents. Are they not aware that families and children are sitting in standstill traffic for hours on end on a multiple unacceptable scale. Shame on our Police force for this unacceptable chaos. They should hold their head in shame. More importantly lets see some reactive action to make sure this mess does not happen again.
Do you think he's right or not? I think he's wrong, any loss of life should be treated with respect and dignity and a full investigation if it happens like this. So what if a few people got held up, I'm sure if it was someone you knew you'd want it investigated thorougly.
By the way this is the reply from the Deputy Chief Constable:
am heartened to read the compassionate and understanding comments of those responding to "anonymous, anonymous". The decision to close a major road like the M1 is not taken lightly - I understand the massive impact of doing so and the inconvenience it causes to many people, including the added poloicing problems associated with it. However, it would be a very sad day indeed if ever society regarded the tragic loss of a human life as secondary to the continuous free flow of traffic. A good indication of any society's values is the manner in which it respects its citizens in death. Every person who loses their life deserves the same respect, irrespective of the nature of their death, and I offer no apology for the Derbyshire Constabulary's commitment to affording that respect, not only to the deceased but also to the loved ones they leave behind. If "anonymous" feels able to contact me then I will ensure that he/she fully understands what police officers do on behalf of our society and what is involved in dealing with a fatal traffic collision, from dealing with the scene to making that lonely walk down the garden path to knock on the door and shatter someone's world. Perhaps then "anonymous" will rethink whose head needs to be held in shame.
Alan Goodwin, Deputy Chief Constable, Derbyshire Police HQ
A Pedestrian died in an accident which closed the M1 yesterday and caused traffic chaos throughout Derbyshire.
A man, in his 20s, was hit by a lorry on the northbound carriageway of the motorway, near junction 28, the Alfreton turn-off, at about 12.30pm.
He had been driving a silver Vauxhall car which police said he had stopped on the hard shoulder.
Both carriageways were shut for more than five hours from junctions 26, Ripley, to junction 28, causing tailbacks of up to 12 miles.
Drivers leaving the motorway hit tailbacks on most alternative routes through Derby and Derbyshire, including the A38 and A52.
Motorists queued in both directions on the A61 between the Pentagon and Little Eaton roundabouts and on the A38 between Mickleover and Little Eaton island.
Drivers were also caught in congestion on the A52 at Sandiacre and on the A610 at Ripley.
A spokesman for AA Roadwatch said: "Slip roads were closed to prevent drivers getting on to the motorway."
The motorway reopened at 5.45pm.
On the local news website you can post comments to every story and this is what "annonymous" posted:
The finger of blame clearly lies with the Police in this. Our finely balanced road network simply cannot cope with closing motorways in todays climes. This is not the first time Police go completely over the top in accident scnarios and are the route cause of complete chaos. Everyone accepts the sensitivity of a fatal accident but regardless of this through access should ALWAYS be maintained on motorways. The Police need to rethink their dracaconian strategy in dealing with such incidents. Are they not aware that families and children are sitting in standstill traffic for hours on end on a multiple unacceptable scale. Shame on our Police force for this unacceptable chaos. They should hold their head in shame. More importantly lets see some reactive action to make sure this mess does not happen again.
Do you think he's right or not? I think he's wrong, any loss of life should be treated with respect and dignity and a full investigation if it happens like this. So what if a few people got held up, I'm sure if it was someone you knew you'd want it investigated thorougly.
By the way this is the reply from the Deputy Chief Constable:
am heartened to read the compassionate and understanding comments of those responding to "anonymous, anonymous". The decision to close a major road like the M1 is not taken lightly - I understand the massive impact of doing so and the inconvenience it causes to many people, including the added poloicing problems associated with it. However, it would be a very sad day indeed if ever society regarded the tragic loss of a human life as secondary to the continuous free flow of traffic. A good indication of any society's values is the manner in which it respects its citizens in death. Every person who loses their life deserves the same respect, irrespective of the nature of their death, and I offer no apology for the Derbyshire Constabulary's commitment to affording that respect, not only to the deceased but also to the loved ones they leave behind. If "anonymous" feels able to contact me then I will ensure that he/she fully understands what police officers do on behalf of our society and what is involved in dealing with a fatal traffic collision, from dealing with the scene to making that lonely walk down the garden path to knock on the door and shatter someone's world. Perhaps then "anonymous" will rethink whose head needs to be held in shame.
Alan Goodwin, Deputy Chief Constable, Derbyshire Police HQ
Depends on how important you are/how much of a media presence you had.
People die every day and yet only a select few get any sort of respectful coverage and are deemed 'worthy of recognition'.
and some of it's down to nationality too, probably due to time constraints and relevance you'll see British death given importance. Every other nationality (possibly bar some americans) are generally not as news worthy.
And as I said a few years back, if 9/11 had happened in Africa it'd be gone from the lead headlines within 3 days.
People aren't equal in death: your position in society (and indeed the world at large) can dictate how much attention you receive upon your passing.
Sometimes it's easy to say 'make way for the living' and I can see why people would be unhappy at the delay but the Police have certain procedures and need to examine the scenes of some accidents throughly to determine exactly what happened and determine blame if it lies with anyone or thing.
People die every day and yet only a select few get any sort of respectful coverage and are deemed 'worthy of recognition'.
and some of it's down to nationality too, probably due to time constraints and relevance you'll see British death given importance. Every other nationality (possibly bar some americans) are generally not as news worthy.
And as I said a few years back, if 9/11 had happened in Africa it'd be gone from the lead headlines within 3 days.
People aren't equal in death: your position in society (and indeed the world at large) can dictate how much attention you receive upon your passing.
Sometimes it's easy to say 'make way for the living' and I can see why people would be unhappy at the delay but the Police have certain procedures and need to examine the scenes of some accidents throughly to determine exactly what happened and determine blame if it lies with anyone or thing.
If there has been a car accident and the road gets closed then that's just tough. Especially if someone has lost their life. I hate sitting in traffic jams just as much as the next guy, but at least you are alive while sitting in it.
Hedfix wrote:
> And as I said a few years back, if 9/11 had happened in Africa
> it'd be gone from the lead headlines within 3 days.
It's true, but then again, the level of security in America and the fact that the buildings were the tallest landmarks in Manhattan - one of the most famous and iconic cities in a country full of them, were imprinted on peoples memory more.
It was also the scale of death. Let's say that the attack had happened in Africa, are there many (if any) buildings that could house that amount of people? Equivalently though I think even if only several hundred people had been in the World Trade Centre on the day of its collapse, it would still have rippled across the world and had a profound attack, whereas, the nature of the attack is almost impossible to simulate in Africa. I'm not sure if the attack had happened in America on, say, somewhere like Montgomery, Alabama that it would have been quite as poignant or shattering.
Location counts for a lot in something like this, even though morally it really shouldn't. New York is a city with a multi-ethnic community and many people from all over the world have connections in the city, and a place like the World Trade Centre seems like it would have the most interconnected number of people, again, a reason why it was chosen. Also, if the attack had happened on an African building, or many others in other countries, it is unlikely that it would have withstood one attack and 'hovered on the brink' of collapse for as long as the Twin Towers did - which created poignancy and empathy around the world by the way that people were seen to be waving tissues or even attempting to jump. Without the awful build up of tension, disturbing innocents like that may not have been witnessed.
To prove location counts for a lot though, ask almost anyone when the World Trade Centre fell and they'll say '9-11' or 'September the 11th, 2001'... ask anyone when the attack on Madrid, who isn't Spanish, happened and I can almost guarantee the response will be nowhere near as quick, if it comes at all.
> And as I said a few years back, if 9/11 had happened in Africa
> it'd be gone from the lead headlines within 3 days.
It's true, but then again, the level of security in America and the fact that the buildings were the tallest landmarks in Manhattan - one of the most famous and iconic cities in a country full of them, were imprinted on peoples memory more.
It was also the scale of death. Let's say that the attack had happened in Africa, are there many (if any) buildings that could house that amount of people? Equivalently though I think even if only several hundred people had been in the World Trade Centre on the day of its collapse, it would still have rippled across the world and had a profound attack, whereas, the nature of the attack is almost impossible to simulate in Africa. I'm not sure if the attack had happened in America on, say, somewhere like Montgomery, Alabama that it would have been quite as poignant or shattering.
Location counts for a lot in something like this, even though morally it really shouldn't. New York is a city with a multi-ethnic community and many people from all over the world have connections in the city, and a place like the World Trade Centre seems like it would have the most interconnected number of people, again, a reason why it was chosen. Also, if the attack had happened on an African building, or many others in other countries, it is unlikely that it would have withstood one attack and 'hovered on the brink' of collapse for as long as the Twin Towers did - which created poignancy and empathy around the world by the way that people were seen to be waving tissues or even attempting to jump. Without the awful build up of tension, disturbing innocents like that may not have been witnessed.
To prove location counts for a lot though, ask almost anyone when the World Trade Centre fell and they'll say '9-11' or 'September the 11th, 2001'... ask anyone when the attack on Madrid, who isn't Spanish, happened and I can almost guarantee the response will be nowhere near as quick, if it comes at all.
Geffdof wrote:
> If there has been a car accident and the road gets closed then
> that's just tough. Especially if someone has lost their life. I
> hate sitting in traffic jams just as much as the next guy, but
> at least you are alive while sitting in it.
Yes, but put the situation in a warzone and priorities change. :D
> If there has been a car accident and the road gets closed then
> that's just tough. Especially if someone has lost their life. I
> hate sitting in traffic jams just as much as the next guy, but
> at least you are alive while sitting in it.
Yes, but put the situation in a warzone and priorities change. :D
Just because people get treated badly in war zones doesnt mean we should right off all kinds of respect for the dead. People in war zones often don't get the respect they deserve, which is what I think you are implying. We should pay respects to all dead people no matter where or why they died.
We're in a global war on terror. Everywhere's a warzone!
*Dustbin explodes*
"Poor Dustbin, it had just one more day to retirement".
*Dustbin explodes*
"Poor Dustbin, it had just one more day to retirement".
If it occured on multiple lanes then yes, those lanes should be closed or at the very least cordoned off for investigation. Being blunt is never a bad idea, just not very polite and in some situations a stern but sensitive remark is prefered.
Take for example your not so-chummy-friend friend dies of a drug over dose and you're told to comfort his mother. You can't go "He deserved to die, was messing with things he shouldn't have" or "There was help but he chose to ignore it, he died because of ignorance". I think by being insensitive might be a slight form of emotional response of hatred or cruel humour in some cases.
Take for example your not so-chummy-friend friend dies of a drug over dose and you're told to comfort his mother. You can't go "He deserved to die, was messing with things he shouldn't have" or "There was help but he chose to ignore it, he died because of ignorance". I think by being insensitive might be a slight form of emotional response of hatred or cruel humour in some cases.
Bull. Human life is much more important then losing a few hours in traffic.
Revolver Ocelot wrote:
> Bull. Human life is much more important then losing a few hours
> in traffic.
Other human life? Maybe not if, say, you're rushing your injured child to the hospital so she doesn't bleed to death.
> Bull. Human life is much more important then losing a few hours
> in traffic.
Other human life? Maybe not if, say, you're rushing your injured child to the hospital so she doesn't bleed to death.
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