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Something I started wondering because of another thread... what's "real music" that some of you refer to? I think you are probably alluding to the use of electronic manipulation to create the use of the music - why isn't this real music?
Simply put, there is little or no difference between picking a tune on a guitar (a favourite pastime of mine) or generating a collage noises into a tune on a computer. Both require the artist to manipulate their chosen instrument in a manner resulting in it producing harmonious (in their ears at least) output. Why is doing this with a guitar seen as more musical than doing it with a computer?
So you don't have to be able to read musical scales to produce a Euro Pop hit with your Corg synthesiser - so? Do you think Fred Durst has a clue what a Treble Cleft is? I learned all my musical theory when I was a young 'un and playing the piano, but I've never needed any of this in my guitar playing exploits. The guitar is pretty much without exception the easiest instrument to get some sort of tuneful jingle from. The ratio of impressiveness to talent is ludicrously top heavy on the "impressiveness" side.
Also, people who say DJs have no skill - RUBBISH. Bad DJs have no skill, most of the Superstar DJs simply segway Generic Euro Trance Hit No1 into Generic Euro Trance Hit No 2. Fair enough, there is little or no skill there; a computer could easily do that. However, listen to guys like DJ Dexter, Lemon Jelly or Kid Koala's DJ sets and you get a very different style. These guys pick unbelievably diverse tracks and blend them together in a way that seems perfectly natural. Perfect example, in the GIMIX promo Dexter was mixing Sgt. Pepper with Jayou by J5 and it sounded great. So good, in fact, that it took a second to realize that that wasn't the way the tracks were supposed to be. This takes unbelievable imagination and talent. Hell, in the DMX DJ Championships some contestants use up to seven desks. You trying to say that doesn't take huge amounts of tallent?
In short, there's no such thing as fake music.
Feeling like I'm throwing a red rag to a gaggle of bulls...
Simply put, there is little or no difference between picking a tune on a guitar (a favourite pastime of mine) or generating a collage noises into a tune on a computer. Both require the artist to manipulate their chosen instrument in a manner resulting in it producing harmonious (in their ears at least) output. Why is doing this with a guitar seen as more musical than doing it with a computer?
So you don't have to be able to read musical scales to produce a Euro Pop hit with your Corg synthesiser - so? Do you think Fred Durst has a clue what a Treble Cleft is? I learned all my musical theory when I was a young 'un and playing the piano, but I've never needed any of this in my guitar playing exploits. The guitar is pretty much without exception the easiest instrument to get some sort of tuneful jingle from. The ratio of impressiveness to talent is ludicrously top heavy on the "impressiveness" side.
Also, people who say DJs have no skill - RUBBISH. Bad DJs have no skill, most of the Superstar DJs simply segway Generic Euro Trance Hit No1 into Generic Euro Trance Hit No 2. Fair enough, there is little or no skill there; a computer could easily do that. However, listen to guys like DJ Dexter, Lemon Jelly or Kid Koala's DJ sets and you get a very different style. These guys pick unbelievably diverse tracks and blend them together in a way that seems perfectly natural. Perfect example, in the GIMIX promo Dexter was mixing Sgt. Pepper with Jayou by J5 and it sounded great. So good, in fact, that it took a second to realize that that wasn't the way the tracks were supposed to be. This takes unbelievable imagination and talent. Hell, in the DMX DJ Championships some contestants use up to seven desks. You trying to say that doesn't take huge amounts of tallent?
In short, there's no such thing as fake music.
Feeling like I'm throwing a red rag to a gaggle of bulls...
Funny, but saying "Keepin' it real" doesn't necessarily work for all musicians.
I don't give a stuff if it's in the charts or not, if it makes me smile, or has the power to draw any emotion from me (other than the violent rage that Steps but me in - damn I hate them) then I might consider buying it!
Whether others consider it 'real' or not, I don't really care.
If I like it, I like it, I don't care what it is, or who it's by. Doesn't mean I'll buy it though.
I don't give a stuff if it's in the charts or not, if it makes me smile, or has the power to draw any emotion from me (other than the violent rage that Steps but me in - damn I hate them) then I might consider buying it!
Whether others consider it 'real' or not, I don't really care.
If I like it, I like it, I don't care what it is, or who it's by. Doesn't mean I'll buy it though.
I think "real" music to me means music that is created with feeling and heart, an honest desire to create music because you love doing it - not because you want to be famous and it's the easiest route there.
DJs? Someone has done me a couple of CDs of dance stuff, and it's not what I thought it would be.
Some of it I just don't get, but that says more about me than it does the artist I suppose.
People like DJ Shadow etc take mixing and cutting to an artform, the same way that people like Gene Krupa and John Coltrane played their instruments with god-given ability.
Just because someone uses samplers and processors to create music doesn't mean they're not musicians - different mediums.
I like to listen to music that challenges me, makes me stop everything else and just close my eyes.
Doesn't matter to me if it's Tool or Aphex Twin, that person has put their heart and soul into it, it deserves my time.
Where I start to get bored and fuzzy is with stuff that hits the charts (not all of it, but you know the things I mean).
That should be considered like McNuggets or Cola, performance of a product.
Regardless of whether I like the music, I can respect someone like Uziq a lot more than I can Steps.
But that's just me, I don't make the rules for music.
I just believe that the robot-pop acts aren't music, shouldn't even be in the same store as proper dance/rock/folk/blues etc.
It's just not the same, it's for pre-teens to buy and read the lyrics in Smash Hits to. It's a harmless distraction.
It's just the way I was raised:
The Beatles, The Doors, Kraftwerk etc, I grew up listening to music made by musicians, not bland faceless Pete Waterman productions designed to hit the chart and fade 2 weeks later.
Each to their own.
I'm off to see Dr John at the end of the month, now to you the notion of going to watch a 60(ish) yr old dude play New Orleans funk/jazz may leave you cold but it rocks my world.
As a rule, I watch Later with Jools Holland rather than Top of The Pops. That is what I consider a "real music" show.
But that's just me, I'm not speaking for anyone else.
DJs? Someone has done me a couple of CDs of dance stuff, and it's not what I thought it would be.
Some of it I just don't get, but that says more about me than it does the artist I suppose.
People like DJ Shadow etc take mixing and cutting to an artform, the same way that people like Gene Krupa and John Coltrane played their instruments with god-given ability.
Just because someone uses samplers and processors to create music doesn't mean they're not musicians - different mediums.
I like to listen to music that challenges me, makes me stop everything else and just close my eyes.
Doesn't matter to me if it's Tool or Aphex Twin, that person has put their heart and soul into it, it deserves my time.
Where I start to get bored and fuzzy is with stuff that hits the charts (not all of it, but you know the things I mean).
That should be considered like McNuggets or Cola, performance of a product.
Regardless of whether I like the music, I can respect someone like Uziq a lot more than I can Steps.
But that's just me, I don't make the rules for music.
I just believe that the robot-pop acts aren't music, shouldn't even be in the same store as proper dance/rock/folk/blues etc.
It's just not the same, it's for pre-teens to buy and read the lyrics in Smash Hits to. It's a harmless distraction.
It's just the way I was raised:
The Beatles, The Doors, Kraftwerk etc, I grew up listening to music made by musicians, not bland faceless Pete Waterman productions designed to hit the chart and fade 2 weeks later.
Each to their own.
I'm off to see Dr John at the end of the month, now to you the notion of going to watch a 60(ish) yr old dude play New Orleans funk/jazz may leave you cold but it rocks my world.
As a rule, I watch Later with Jools Holland rather than Top of The Pops. That is what I consider a "real music" show.
But that's just me, I'm not speaking for anyone else.
Something I started wondering because of another thread... what's "real music" that some of you refer to? I think you are probably alluding to the use of electronic manipulation to create the use of the music - why isn't this real music?
Simply put, there is little or no difference between picking a tune on a guitar (a favourite pastime of mine) or generating a collage noises into a tune on a computer. Both require the artist to manipulate their chosen instrument in a manner resulting in it producing harmonious (in their ears at least) output. Why is doing this with a guitar seen as more musical than doing it with a computer?
So you don't have to be able to read musical scales to produce a Euro Pop hit with your Corg synthesiser - so? Do you think Fred Durst has a clue what a Treble Cleft is? I learned all my musical theory when I was a young 'un and playing the piano, but I've never needed any of this in my guitar playing exploits. The guitar is pretty much without exception the easiest instrument to get some sort of tuneful jingle from. The ratio of impressiveness to talent is ludicrously top heavy on the "impressiveness" side.
Also, people who say DJs have no skill - RUBBISH. Bad DJs have no skill, most of the Superstar DJs simply segway Generic Euro Trance Hit No1 into Generic Euro Trance Hit No 2. Fair enough, there is little or no skill there; a computer could easily do that. However, listen to guys like DJ Dexter, Lemon Jelly or Kid Koala's DJ sets and you get a very different style. These guys pick unbelievably diverse tracks and blend them together in a way that seems perfectly natural. Perfect example, in the GIMIX promo Dexter was mixing Sgt. Pepper with Jayou by J5 and it sounded great. So good, in fact, that it took a second to realize that that wasn't the way the tracks were supposed to be. This takes unbelievable imagination and talent. Hell, in the DMX DJ Championships some contestants use up to seven desks. You trying to say that doesn't take huge amounts of tallent?
In short, there's no such thing as fake music.
Feeling like I'm throwing a red rag to a gaggle of bulls...
Simply put, there is little or no difference between picking a tune on a guitar (a favourite pastime of mine) or generating a collage noises into a tune on a computer. Both require the artist to manipulate their chosen instrument in a manner resulting in it producing harmonious (in their ears at least) output. Why is doing this with a guitar seen as more musical than doing it with a computer?
So you don't have to be able to read musical scales to produce a Euro Pop hit with your Corg synthesiser - so? Do you think Fred Durst has a clue what a Treble Cleft is? I learned all my musical theory when I was a young 'un and playing the piano, but I've never needed any of this in my guitar playing exploits. The guitar is pretty much without exception the easiest instrument to get some sort of tuneful jingle from. The ratio of impressiveness to talent is ludicrously top heavy on the "impressiveness" side.
Also, people who say DJs have no skill - RUBBISH. Bad DJs have no skill, most of the Superstar DJs simply segway Generic Euro Trance Hit No1 into Generic Euro Trance Hit No 2. Fair enough, there is little or no skill there; a computer could easily do that. However, listen to guys like DJ Dexter, Lemon Jelly or Kid Koala's DJ sets and you get a very different style. These guys pick unbelievably diverse tracks and blend them together in a way that seems perfectly natural. Perfect example, in the GIMIX promo Dexter was mixing Sgt. Pepper with Jayou by J5 and it sounded great. So good, in fact, that it took a second to realize that that wasn't the way the tracks were supposed to be. This takes unbelievable imagination and talent. Hell, in the DMX DJ Championships some contestants use up to seven desks. You trying to say that doesn't take huge amounts of tallent?
In short, there's no such thing as fake music.
Feeling like I'm throwing a red rag to a gaggle of bulls...