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I said my piece earlier on and don't intend to start screaming and shouting (for once).
This topic is merely inspired by the pop-up situation here and not directed towards SR.
But I do detest pop-up ads.
I dont see they do anything.
It's hard, my immediate reaction was to be my usual "Corporate evil marketing demons!" ranty self.
But, I can see why you'd do it.
Xmas is coming, parents are scoping for a console, and the price-drop does make it a more realistic proposition.
But still...unwelcome adverts appearing on my monitor without me being able to have any say or not.
It's just me, but if offends me.
I know I have the choice of not coming here, but I enjoy posting here and annoying with my self-righteous indignation and movie-stuff.
I loathe adverts, it's part of the reason I don't watch television. I don't appreciate people trying to hock their wares to me.
Pop-ups are no different to the people that lurk on the streets and come up to you to sell you religious tracts.
You're doing your own thing, minding your own business when "HELLO! CAN I DISTURB YOU IN YOUR EVERYDAY BUSINESS TO TRY AND GET YOU TO SPEND MONEY?".
I find marketing to be an inherently soul-destroying business. To break people down into demographics and try to influence their behaviour to encourage them to spend.
Supermarkets are designed to a science, nice fruit and flowers at the front, aromas piped through the store to entice you.
Garages have tv on the forecourt now to sell you stuff even when you stop to get petrol.
Clothes are festooned with logos, adverts for companies.
And people seek status from them?
Why advertise a company for free? Why wear their corporate logo and do their marketing work for them? I don't understand that one little bit.
I'm not an advertising billboard, a space for rent.
You want me to advertise your company, you pay me.
You are not seen as a person to marketing people, you are a demographic to be quantified, partitioned into groups and sold to.
Naomi Klein's book "No Logo" is all about the idea of marketing and brand-name recognition.
Companies strive for instant recognition, to hammer that brand home into your brain.
When you want a soft-drink, what do you say?
"Coke". Not Caffeine-based soft drink with vegetable extracts.
Nike don't even put their name on their stuff, it's just the swoosh symbol.
That is a marketing dream, when your logo is instantly recognisable.
Companies spend millions on asserting brand-awareness, the dream of having someone know your product from a colour or a symbol.
And I see people walking about wearing clothes with logos and being proud of the fact they are nothing more than a walking billboard.
But that's just me. I'd rather buy nondescript clothes and retain my personal identity than look like an employee of a Nike store.
It's like those companies sponsor your life-style.
And the must amusing/disgusting thing I've seen of late is the "Skate" fashion thing, the "alternative style".
You know the one, baggy jeans and hoodies, key-chains and carefully messed up hair.
That look has been designed carefully and sold back to people that just want to look cool.
The skate culture has always been one of refusal to buy into the 9-5 marketing dream mindset.
Loud music, operating outside the normal run of things.
Except now you can go into a store and buy the clothes, as if that somehow gives you street-cred when you've never been near a board in your life.
People posing out in alternative lifestyle clothing, but they miss the point.
It's not about dressing scruffy and going to buy McDonalds, it's about being aware of things like marketing forces, trends and fashions and choosing to not partake in that.
THAT is the skate-punk ethos.
It's not about spending £50 on a top and then going down to Wembley to watch a "punk" band play an enormodome.
If you buy into that whole "Urban" image, then that means you go to local venues to watch bands, laugh at eMpTyV for asserting the notion that you need a uniform to look cool and steadfastly refuse to buy brand-name clothing, because that makes you as bad as the guy in a suit that works in a bank.
It's ironic as hell and nobody is talking about it.
This topic is merely inspired by the pop-up situation here and not directed towards SR.
But I do detest pop-up ads.
I dont see they do anything.
It's hard, my immediate reaction was to be my usual "Corporate evil marketing demons!" ranty self.
But, I can see why you'd do it.
Xmas is coming, parents are scoping for a console, and the price-drop does make it a more realistic proposition.
But still...unwelcome adverts appearing on my monitor without me being able to have any say or not.
It's just me, but if offends me.
I know I have the choice of not coming here, but I enjoy posting here and annoying with my self-righteous indignation and movie-stuff.
I loathe adverts, it's part of the reason I don't watch television. I don't appreciate people trying to hock their wares to me.
Pop-ups are no different to the people that lurk on the streets and come up to you to sell you religious tracts.
You're doing your own thing, minding your own business when "HELLO! CAN I DISTURB YOU IN YOUR EVERYDAY BUSINESS TO TRY AND GET YOU TO SPEND MONEY?".
I find marketing to be an inherently soul-destroying business. To break people down into demographics and try to influence their behaviour to encourage them to spend.
Supermarkets are designed to a science, nice fruit and flowers at the front, aromas piped through the store to entice you.
Garages have tv on the forecourt now to sell you stuff even when you stop to get petrol.
Clothes are festooned with logos, adverts for companies.
And people seek status from them?
Why advertise a company for free? Why wear their corporate logo and do their marketing work for them? I don't understand that one little bit.
I'm not an advertising billboard, a space for rent.
You want me to advertise your company, you pay me.
You are not seen as a person to marketing people, you are a demographic to be quantified, partitioned into groups and sold to.
Naomi Klein's book "No Logo" is all about the idea of marketing and brand-name recognition.
Companies strive for instant recognition, to hammer that brand home into your brain.
When you want a soft-drink, what do you say?
"Coke". Not Caffeine-based soft drink with vegetable extracts.
Nike don't even put their name on their stuff, it's just the swoosh symbol.
That is a marketing dream, when your logo is instantly recognisable.
Companies spend millions on asserting brand-awareness, the dream of having someone know your product from a colour or a symbol.
And I see people walking about wearing clothes with logos and being proud of the fact they are nothing more than a walking billboard.
But that's just me. I'd rather buy nondescript clothes and retain my personal identity than look like an employee of a Nike store.
It's like those companies sponsor your life-style.
And the must amusing/disgusting thing I've seen of late is the "Skate" fashion thing, the "alternative style".
You know the one, baggy jeans and hoodies, key-chains and carefully messed up hair.
That look has been designed carefully and sold back to people that just want to look cool.
The skate culture has always been one of refusal to buy into the 9-5 marketing dream mindset.
Loud music, operating outside the normal run of things.
Except now you can go into a store and buy the clothes, as if that somehow gives you street-cred when you've never been near a board in your life.
People posing out in alternative lifestyle clothing, but they miss the point.
It's not about dressing scruffy and going to buy McDonalds, it's about being aware of things like marketing forces, trends and fashions and choosing to not partake in that.
THAT is the skate-punk ethos.
It's not about spending £50 on a top and then going down to Wembley to watch a "punk" band play an enormodome.
If you buy into that whole "Urban" image, then that means you go to local venues to watch bands, laugh at eMpTyV for asserting the notion that you need a uniform to look cool and steadfastly refuse to buy brand-name clothing, because that makes you as bad as the guy in a suit that works in a bank.
It's ironic as hell and nobody is talking about it.
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i thought big brother 2 was crap
but i was oddly compelled to watch the first one
i dont think i shall bother with big brother 3(they are planning to pit couples against each other i think)
but i was oddly compelled to watch the first one
i dont think i shall bother with big brother 3(they are planning to pit couples against each other i think)
Thank you for the incisive and almost laser-guided thought towards the topic.
Yo Dog what up ma bro, what gwan on wit da crazy spellin?
I say we kill them all. (the pop ups I mean)
Kill all pop ups
Kill all pop ups
I thought Big Brother sucked.
Meka: Didn't you like Big Brother?
I wasn't a big fan at first, or at last, but there is something about seeing how people react... just watching and waiting, who cracks, smacks, who whacks...?
Survivor may have been better because the situation was such that we could see how people react.
Although a big part of Big Brother was that it was 'hip' to watch. I went into college... (last year) and asked who Brian was... They laughed... at me. :D
I didn't care... they can sit at home watching some lefty come on to his mate for all I care, but that fact that, for that day, I was looked down on because of the TV program I watched, kind of annoyed me... I just talked to some asian kid about the rules of golf. LOL, you should have seen his face!
But I doubt a lot of the programs that 'make it' today would be popular without decent press, and fallacious public opinion.
Game
I wasn't a big fan at first, or at last, but there is something about seeing how people react... just watching and waiting, who cracks, smacks, who whacks...?
Survivor may have been better because the situation was such that we could see how people react.
Although a big part of Big Brother was that it was 'hip' to watch. I went into college... (last year) and asked who Brian was... They laughed... at me. :D
I didn't care... they can sit at home watching some lefty come on to his mate for all I care, but that fact that, for that day, I was looked down on because of the TV program I watched, kind of annoyed me... I just talked to some asian kid about the rules of golf. LOL, you should have seen his face!
But I doubt a lot of the programs that 'make it' today would be popular without decent press, and fallacious public opinion.
Game
The only things I've really watched on telly recently, have been films, Shawshank Redemption and eXistenZ, the news, and that Blue Planet thing which is pretty damn interesting.
Going back to the whole marketing thing, the was I see it is thus:
People want to think they look good. If they look good, they have more self confidence. Fine, no argument with that. When I go for a job intrerview etc, I wear a suit. Not ripped jeans and trainers.
However, the problem arises when people are led to believe that they can only look good if they wear certain names. This could be fom marketing people, or from mates at school.
It's when they get in the mentality of "Oh, but I can only look good if I wear my Levi's, my Nike Trainers, and a GAP top" Or whatever.
Having said all that, I wear Levis. Simply because I find them more comfortable. Because I do a lot of cycling, my legs are out of proportion, and it's only Levi's that I can get to fit comfortably.
Apart from that, I'm an unbranded person.
Going back to the whole marketing thing, the was I see it is thus:
People want to think they look good. If they look good, they have more self confidence. Fine, no argument with that. When I go for a job intrerview etc, I wear a suit. Not ripped jeans and trainers.
However, the problem arises when people are led to believe that they can only look good if they wear certain names. This could be fom marketing people, or from mates at school.
It's when they get in the mentality of "Oh, but I can only look good if I wear my Levi's, my Nike Trainers, and a GAP top" Or whatever.
Having said all that, I wear Levis. Simply because I find them more comfortable. Because I do a lot of cycling, my legs are out of proportion, and it's only Levi's that I can get to fit comfortably.
Apart from that, I'm an unbranded person.
Why watch reality TV shows when you can live reality lives?
It's really only reality TV that bugs me, watching people work in an airport, or sit in the sodding Big Brother house. Itr just seems like a waste of time.
But there are other shows I like, and choose to watch, because they entertain me.
I like the I Love 199X series, it's fun to look back at what was popular. Pointless, but fun.
I didn't even have a TV when I was a student in London for 4 or 5 months. If I wanted to see a movie, I went to the cinema, if I wanted to watch football, I went down the pub, but I didn't waste anytime watching anything just because it was on, and haven't done since.
The TV is usually on in my house, but rarely watched. Strange that.
It's really only reality TV that bugs me, watching people work in an airport, or sit in the sodding Big Brother house. Itr just seems like a waste of time.
But there are other shows I like, and choose to watch, because they entertain me.
I like the I Love 199X series, it's fun to look back at what was popular. Pointless, but fun.
I didn't even have a TV when I was a student in London for 4 or 5 months. If I wanted to see a movie, I went to the cinema, if I wanted to watch football, I went down the pub, but I didn't waste anytime watching anything just because it was on, and haven't done since.
The TV is usually on in my house, but rarely watched. Strange that.
And taking it away from the tv debate and returning this to my original thought of the obscene practice of targetting young girls and highlighting physical insecurity to sell products, this is from a presentation at work.
"Secret Weapon is *******ís opportunity to make focused attacks on the lucrative market of teenage girls.
LETS DECLARE WAR!"
Buy buy buy buy buy buy buy
*shakes head*
This is not a world for people, this is a world for customers and money-makers
"Secret Weapon is *******ís opportunity to make focused attacks on the lucrative market of teenage girls.
LETS DECLARE WAR!"
Buy buy buy buy buy buy buy
*shakes head*
This is not a world for people, this is a world for customers and money-makers
I agree 100% Loki.
Things I watch if I remember to are The Simpsons, Brasseye (and other similiar satirical news-shows) and documentaries.
I'm usually watching BBC2 or C4.
It's just that most of the stuff I see on television makes my brain hurt.
I know that sounds odd, but it just moves too fast and says nothing.
Soap Operas, not for me.
Game shows, not my thing.
DIY shows, no thanks.
It's not that I despise television or people that watch it.
I just find nothing on that interests me at all.
I'd rather spend my time making music or writing or being with other people, not plonked down in front of the television.
There are some good shows, but to me, the overwhelming majority are inane.
I heard an excellent quote from Dennis Miller
"Entertainment is the greatest anaesthetic".
And that sounds right to me.
I know people think "lighten up man, it's only tv, just relax".
I am relaxed, but when I start to watch tv it makes me angry.
So I choose to avoid it unless there are things I really want to see.
Things I watch if I remember to are The Simpsons, Brasseye (and other similiar satirical news-shows) and documentaries.
I'm usually watching BBC2 or C4.
It's just that most of the stuff I see on television makes my brain hurt.
I know that sounds odd, but it just moves too fast and says nothing.
Soap Operas, not for me.
Game shows, not my thing.
DIY shows, no thanks.
It's not that I despise television or people that watch it.
I just find nothing on that interests me at all.
I'd rather spend my time making music or writing or being with other people, not plonked down in front of the television.
There are some good shows, but to me, the overwhelming majority are inane.
I heard an excellent quote from Dennis Miller
"Entertainment is the greatest anaesthetic".
And that sounds right to me.
I know people think "lighten up man, it's only tv, just relax".
I am relaxed, but when I start to watch tv it makes me angry.
So I choose to avoid it unless there are things I really want to see.
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