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Mon 20/08/01 at 20:07
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Dance music is a fantastic genre of music. It is a lot deeper than most people think, some people say things like:

Dance music is rubbish, it's just all bass with a bit of synth. It's not music at all.

Too which I say two things. Firstly:

What bollards.

And secondly:

Have you actually listened to any dance music?

When I talk about dance music, I don't mean the stuff that gets in the charts. That's not proper dance music. That is just a representation of the mainstream side of dance. There is a much bigger area of "proper" dance outside of this.

To help me explain. Remember when you were in a science class at school at the teacher told you about how all colour is made up of bits of Red, Green and Blue. There was a diagram of three circles, each represnting the three colours. Where they all overlapped, a small area in the middle, was white light.

Remember?

Right, relate that to music. The threee circles represent Rock, Dance and Rap. Each circle represents more than one sort of music. Eg, the Rock circle holds indie and stuff as well. The small area of white light in the middle, is the mainstream pop stuff. The songs that get played during the day on the radio, the stuff that gets in the charts etc. All the rest of the circle (quite a big area compared to the middle bit), is the non-mainstram stuff. In ANY genre of music, this area will hold hundreds of bands that the majority of people won't have heard of.

It's (normally) the mainstream stuff that gets the record companies the most money. So what has this got to do with dance music? Well, the stuff that gets in the charts isn't really a true representation of dance music, (the same as all the genres). The stuff that gets in the charts in the generic bassline with a bit of synth and some bird singing over the top. Normally a repetitive chorus type thing thats easy to remember.

To show how out of touch the charts are with dance music, here is an example. There was a track released last year by Darude called Sandstorm, some of you may remember it. It was released in the summer last year. I heard it first before christmas of the previous year. It was 9 months after first hearing it that it got played mainstream. Which is one of the reasons I say that the charts don't represent dance music at all well.

Perhaps I should say now, that the group of "dance" covers a wide variety of stuff. It includes trancendental (trance), house, progressive as well as ambient and the new genre of "chilled". My personal favourite of those is Trance. There have only ever been two songs that have made me shiver when I've heard them, they are both trance tracks. They are both fantastic. But the chances are, hardly anyone else will have heard of them, so I won't bother to name them.

Moivng back to others opinions of dance, some people say that the people who release the tracks, Fatboy Slim, Judge Jules etc (to name some of the more well known ones), aren't musicians. They don't play the instruments. So what? Football managers don't play football. They are paid to put together a succesful team. In the same way, a producer is paid to put together a sucessful track. Which is harder than most people think....
Tue 21/08/01 at 14:35
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I good example of how out of touch the music industry is with dance:

2 Years ago M J Cole released a track called "Sincere". That year he won an award for best newcomer.

Fine.


Except he'd been about for 10 years.

It's pathetic.

ALSO:


mr neil wrote:
> I really can't stand trance. It just sounds like someone has just > pressed a button to get a drumbeat working, and another to get the > sample moving. Sign the check out to DJ RockdaHouse please, > there you go another record.

Thats my point. Thats the attidude people have of trance, but it's wrong (in my opinion). Creating a good trance track is just as difficult as creating a good track in any other genre.

What happens is people release (for the charts) a generic dance track. Base line, bit of synth, maybe some lyrics, as they know it will sell. Thats not a true representation of trance at all.

While I can understand why record companies do it, they're out to make monet afterall, it does annoy me when people say "trance is crap". Because they haven't (usually) heard any proper stuff at all.
Tue 21/08/01 at 14:17
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I feel similarly about Eminem, in that people don't look past the 'explicit' lyrics.

Sure, he's done and said some stupid things, but in my opinion he's also made some extremely clever music.

If you listen to a lot of the lyrics, they're actually a bting indictment of the American way of life. "My Name Is" has some very damning commentary on the hypocrisy of many parents in the US, 'Kim' - while fairly sick - is no worse than many Hollywood films about the abuse of women, and 'Stan' is an extrememly clever, well-written song about the type of stalker/nutcase fans that many celebs have.

People assume it takes little or no talent to produce this stuff, whereas in reality, it's just as tough as any other form of music.
Tue 21/08/01 at 14:05
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I don't understand how some bands get labelled as 'Dance acts' though.

Massive Attack once won a best dance act award. You try dancing to their stuff!

Why call it dance? You can dance to anything!

Personally, I'm not a big fan of 'dance' music. It just doesn't appeal to me.
Tue 21/08/01 at 13:59
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I really can't stand trance.

It just sounds like someone has just pressed a button to get a drumbeat working, and another to get the sample moving.

Sign the check out to DJ RockdaHouse please, there you go another record.

Pah.

I am getting more into the 'Dance Scene' as it were, I am a lot more into Underworld, Daft Punk, Les Rhythms Digitales and Moloko. I really do like the music off these groups, I thik it's fantastic.
Mon 20/08/01 at 21:55
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The two tracks are Barthezz "On the Move" and Yahel "Waves of Sound".

Laurent Garniers "The Man With The Red Face" is possible the best "chilled out" track I've heard.
Mon 20/08/01 at 21:18
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"Twenty quid."
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One track I particularly like is Avenue by Paul van Dyk. I like other stuff but never know who it's by or what category or genre it's classed as.

As for golden oldies, one that sticks out in my mind is Megablast by Bomb The Bass.
Mon 20/08/01 at 20:58
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Go on name the two tracks. I have been listening to dance music since the late 80`s and the first tracks i remember are Njoi- "anthem" , Adamski - "killer" and although both were big chart hits they are still classis tunes. My favourite dance music types are Techno, House and Trance.. Drum n Bass, Garage, Hardcore and Ambient do nothing for me. The best tracks i can think of are Laurent Garnier - "rex attitude" , Tony de vit - "burning up" , Slam - "positive education" and QFX - "virtual reality" but i have around one hundred dance cd`s.The chart stuff is usually crap with the exception of a few artists (Atb,Darude, Storm etc.) I don`t listen to Fat boy slim, pete tongs mixes or judge jules because i don`t like them and prefer to listen to DJ tiesto, Timo maas , Laurent Garnier or other non british euro dj`s.
Mon 20/08/01 at 20:07
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Posts: 14,117
Dance music is a fantastic genre of music. It is a lot deeper than most people think, some people say things like:

Dance music is rubbish, it's just all bass with a bit of synth. It's not music at all.

Too which I say two things. Firstly:

What bollards.

And secondly:

Have you actually listened to any dance music?

When I talk about dance music, I don't mean the stuff that gets in the charts. That's not proper dance music. That is just a representation of the mainstream side of dance. There is a much bigger area of "proper" dance outside of this.

To help me explain. Remember when you were in a science class at school at the teacher told you about how all colour is made up of bits of Red, Green and Blue. There was a diagram of three circles, each represnting the three colours. Where they all overlapped, a small area in the middle, was white light.

Remember?

Right, relate that to music. The threee circles represent Rock, Dance and Rap. Each circle represents more than one sort of music. Eg, the Rock circle holds indie and stuff as well. The small area of white light in the middle, is the mainstream pop stuff. The songs that get played during the day on the radio, the stuff that gets in the charts etc. All the rest of the circle (quite a big area compared to the middle bit), is the non-mainstram stuff. In ANY genre of music, this area will hold hundreds of bands that the majority of people won't have heard of.

It's (normally) the mainstream stuff that gets the record companies the most money. So what has this got to do with dance music? Well, the stuff that gets in the charts isn't really a true representation of dance music, (the same as all the genres). The stuff that gets in the charts in the generic bassline with a bit of synth and some bird singing over the top. Normally a repetitive chorus type thing thats easy to remember.

To show how out of touch the charts are with dance music, here is an example. There was a track released last year by Darude called Sandstorm, some of you may remember it. It was released in the summer last year. I heard it first before christmas of the previous year. It was 9 months after first hearing it that it got played mainstream. Which is one of the reasons I say that the charts don't represent dance music at all well.

Perhaps I should say now, that the group of "dance" covers a wide variety of stuff. It includes trancendental (trance), house, progressive as well as ambient and the new genre of "chilled". My personal favourite of those is Trance. There have only ever been two songs that have made me shiver when I've heard them, they are both trance tracks. They are both fantastic. But the chances are, hardly anyone else will have heard of them, so I won't bother to name them.

Moivng back to others opinions of dance, some people say that the people who release the tracks, Fatboy Slim, Judge Jules etc (to name some of the more well known ones), aren't musicians. They don't play the instruments. So what? Football managers don't play football. They are paid to put together a succesful team. In the same way, a producer is paid to put together a sucessful track. Which is harder than most people think....

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