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Ok, this is a tricky subject, but I feel I have to share something with you guys.
Now, I'm well aware that SR may feel this topic unsuitable and delete it. Fair enough, but please, don't just have a knee-jerk reaction and scream "Drugs are bad!".
I'm not talking about heroin/cocain abuse, I'm not promoting drug usage to anyone at all.
I am a 28 year old man that is free to do what he likes to himself, and I neither promote nor encourage the use of halucinagenic, psychtropic substances to anyone.
HOWEVER
Many, many cultures have used these for thousands of years as a way to experience things outside of the usual realm of thinking.
Not because they are evil drug addicts.
Ok, so before I post my experience, I want to repeat:
I am not telling anyone to go out and try this. I am not condoning the use of anything like this, nor am I saying it's a good thing.
I am merely reporting the experience I had, as a way of highlighting our perception of space, time, god and why we are here.
Ready?
Here goes:
Ketamine is the most intense, bizarre, and non-threatening psychedelic I've tried, and this perception is common among the people I know who've used it.
As the high is coming on there is a break in the continuity of consciousness. Soon after this point I find myself in a swirling psychedelic universe.
There is no concept that I am currently high on a drug that I'm going to come down from. Frequently there is no recollection of ever having been myself, been born, had a personality or body, or even known of planet earth. The experience is one of being in total orgasm with the universe.
I feel like I'm in hyperspace, simultaneously connected to all things. Billions of images and perceptions are simultaneously flowing through my circuits. I am not bound into three dimensions. In the fourth dimension of time I am not locked into the current moment. I experience backwards and forwards in time as well, with the current moment being the center of intensity.
On my first Ketamine experience there was a non-verbal feeling that my entire life up to that point had been preparation, particularly my other psychedelic experiences, and taking Ketamine was like pressing the GO button. It felt as though there had been a major and permanent shift in the "fabric of reality," or the mode in which I perceived the universe. It felt as though the states of mind I had broken through to in previous psychedelic peaks had become the base reality. And this new reality felt better than I'd ever anticipated it could be.
My past psychedelic experiences taught me how to release and flow within this type of world. On a Ketamine experience I do not need to "do" anything. Once administered, the experience simply happens. Sometimes I feel like a single atom or point of consciousness adrift in a swirling vortex of energies, like a single cell within a being of galactic proportions. This feeling may shift and I then become the center point through which all these energies pass.
The experience is of titanic proportions in the merging of energy, intent, and awareness, yet lucidly articulated to the minutes" spiralling details. All the while I feel very relaxed and at home in this universe. Even though any supports of reality, identity, or stability are being dissolved at the speed of light, I do not experience any fear, as if the one who would experience fear at losing these things is not a part of me. As the waves of experience pass through me I feel a bit like a kid on a rollercoaster. Although he's about to have an exhilarating experience while going over a hill, deeper in his mind he's confident that the rollercoaster will stay on its tracks.
Some 30 minutes to an hour into the experience I come to an apex. At this point I have felt that my will determines whether or not I exist, and whether or not the universe exists. And I could toggle between existence and non-existence many times within a second. I've even had the impression that I could cause the universe (which is quite fluid in the moment) to crystallise in whatever format I desired although I haven't had the impetus to actually try this.
After this comes the return to regular consciousness, which begins with one perception out of each million seeming like it's within my familiar perceptual structure. These "personal perceptions" increase in frequency, one every 100,000, one every 10,000. Soon I remember my previous identity. I've never felt this moment as disappointing, as I frequently feel when coming down from ecstasy.
When I realise I'm coming back it feels more novel like "Wow, I'm coming back, I wonder what life is going to be like after this experience." Although there is a feeling that the ride's almost over this part of the experience is quite interesting, with part of my mind still running circles around the cosmos, and another part reintegrating with my identity. Often I experience the return portion of the Ketamine Journey as an alien rebirth experience. Upon returning to the body, visuals will continue for a while with eyes opened. These can be quite spectacular and hallucinatory, and bear more resemblance to DMT visuals than other psychedelic visuals.
Kungurtsev found that Ketamine produced spiritual experiences, as well as long term changes in the spiritual outlook, in most of those who tried it. "It is interesting that many people who never thought about spirituality or the meaning of life reported having experiences that one might read about only in spiritual texts or Eastern teachings... For many patients it is a profound insight that they can exist without their bodies as pure consciousness or pure spirit. Many of them said that as a result of their experience, they understood the Christian notion of the separation of the soul and the body, and that they now believe some part of them will continue to exist after death.
There were several cases where people reported contact with God, but this is usually not an anthropomorphic figure. They describe an ocean of brilliant white light, which is filled with love, bliss, and energy."
Now, I'm well aware that SR may feel this topic unsuitable and delete it. Fair enough, but please, don't just have a knee-jerk reaction and scream "Drugs are bad!".
I'm not talking about heroin/cocain abuse, I'm not promoting drug usage to anyone at all.
I am a 28 year old man that is free to do what he likes to himself, and I neither promote nor encourage the use of halucinagenic, psychtropic substances to anyone.
HOWEVER
Many, many cultures have used these for thousands of years as a way to experience things outside of the usual realm of thinking.
Not because they are evil drug addicts.
Ok, so before I post my experience, I want to repeat:
I am not telling anyone to go out and try this. I am not condoning the use of anything like this, nor am I saying it's a good thing.
I am merely reporting the experience I had, as a way of highlighting our perception of space, time, god and why we are here.
Ready?
Here goes:
Ketamine is the most intense, bizarre, and non-threatening psychedelic I've tried, and this perception is common among the people I know who've used it.
As the high is coming on there is a break in the continuity of consciousness. Soon after this point I find myself in a swirling psychedelic universe.
There is no concept that I am currently high on a drug that I'm going to come down from. Frequently there is no recollection of ever having been myself, been born, had a personality or body, or even known of planet earth. The experience is one of being in total orgasm with the universe.
I feel like I'm in hyperspace, simultaneously connected to all things. Billions of images and perceptions are simultaneously flowing through my circuits. I am not bound into three dimensions. In the fourth dimension of time I am not locked into the current moment. I experience backwards and forwards in time as well, with the current moment being the center of intensity.
On my first Ketamine experience there was a non-verbal feeling that my entire life up to that point had been preparation, particularly my other psychedelic experiences, and taking Ketamine was like pressing the GO button. It felt as though there had been a major and permanent shift in the "fabric of reality," or the mode in which I perceived the universe. It felt as though the states of mind I had broken through to in previous psychedelic peaks had become the base reality. And this new reality felt better than I'd ever anticipated it could be.
My past psychedelic experiences taught me how to release and flow within this type of world. On a Ketamine experience I do not need to "do" anything. Once administered, the experience simply happens. Sometimes I feel like a single atom or point of consciousness adrift in a swirling vortex of energies, like a single cell within a being of galactic proportions. This feeling may shift and I then become the center point through which all these energies pass.
The experience is of titanic proportions in the merging of energy, intent, and awareness, yet lucidly articulated to the minutes" spiralling details. All the while I feel very relaxed and at home in this universe. Even though any supports of reality, identity, or stability are being dissolved at the speed of light, I do not experience any fear, as if the one who would experience fear at losing these things is not a part of me. As the waves of experience pass through me I feel a bit like a kid on a rollercoaster. Although he's about to have an exhilarating experience while going over a hill, deeper in his mind he's confident that the rollercoaster will stay on its tracks.
Some 30 minutes to an hour into the experience I come to an apex. At this point I have felt that my will determines whether or not I exist, and whether or not the universe exists. And I could toggle between existence and non-existence many times within a second. I've even had the impression that I could cause the universe (which is quite fluid in the moment) to crystallise in whatever format I desired although I haven't had the impetus to actually try this.
After this comes the return to regular consciousness, which begins with one perception out of each million seeming like it's within my familiar perceptual structure. These "personal perceptions" increase in frequency, one every 100,000, one every 10,000. Soon I remember my previous identity. I've never felt this moment as disappointing, as I frequently feel when coming down from ecstasy.
When I realise I'm coming back it feels more novel like "Wow, I'm coming back, I wonder what life is going to be like after this experience." Although there is a feeling that the ride's almost over this part of the experience is quite interesting, with part of my mind still running circles around the cosmos, and another part reintegrating with my identity. Often I experience the return portion of the Ketamine Journey as an alien rebirth experience. Upon returning to the body, visuals will continue for a while with eyes opened. These can be quite spectacular and hallucinatory, and bear more resemblance to DMT visuals than other psychedelic visuals.
Kungurtsev found that Ketamine produced spiritual experiences, as well as long term changes in the spiritual outlook, in most of those who tried it. "It is interesting that many people who never thought about spirituality or the meaning of life reported having experiences that one might read about only in spiritual texts or Eastern teachings... For many patients it is a profound insight that they can exist without their bodies as pure consciousness or pure spirit. Many of them said that as a result of their experience, they understood the Christian notion of the separation of the soul and the body, and that they now believe some part of them will continue to exist after death.
There were several cases where people reported contact with God, but this is usually not an anthropomorphic figure. They describe an ocean of brilliant white light, which is filled with love, bliss, and energy."
I appreciate you not just slamming the door on this one dude.
We have to be really, really cautious with this, in case we sound like "Hey kids, it's cool!"
It's a personal choice.
I personally believe that we have a lot of potential, and we waste it.
I am interested in pursuing ways of unlocking this potential, a personal mission to see if I can make sense of things for me.
Just for me, in my own way, on my own terms.
It's not big and it's not clever.
It's a choice.
It is my belief that there is something else beyond what we experience day to day, and I have experienced sensations and emotions far greater than I can put into words without it sounding like a Grateful Dead album.
But this is just me, speaking for what I know.
I might be wrong, it may just be chemical reactions and the like.
But it provides me with some sort of grasp of why I am here.
We have to be really, really cautious with this, in case we sound like "Hey kids, it's cool!"
It's a personal choice.
I personally believe that we have a lot of potential, and we waste it.
I am interested in pursuing ways of unlocking this potential, a personal mission to see if I can make sense of things for me.
Just for me, in my own way, on my own terms.
It's not big and it's not clever.
It's a choice.
It is my belief that there is something else beyond what we experience day to day, and I have experienced sensations and emotions far greater than I can put into words without it sounding like a Grateful Dead album.
But this is just me, speaking for what I know.
I might be wrong, it may just be chemical reactions and the like.
But it provides me with some sort of grasp of why I am here.
Goatboy wrote:
>All
> I can say is I am left with an over-riding feeling that >our
> potential lies in thought and emotion, as opposed to >corporeal
> form.
It's an interesting idea, similar to a plot line in an X Files comic. By saying this I don't mean to belittle or mock what you're saying ! What I mean is that this isn't the only way people have reported these kinds of experiences, theres those glass/quartz skulls, dreams, near death experiences, premonitions and other things. Now if it was just you saying this then I'd laugh my head off but its not so I wont :)
And just to repeat what Goatboy has said, this isn't condoning drugs or anything like that, its an experience. I personally am against any and all forms of drugs ( but i drink caffeine, which is socially acceptable )
>All
> I can say is I am left with an over-riding feeling that >our
> potential lies in thought and emotion, as opposed to >corporeal
> form.
It's an interesting idea, similar to a plot line in an X Files comic. By saying this I don't mean to belittle or mock what you're saying ! What I mean is that this isn't the only way people have reported these kinds of experiences, theres those glass/quartz skulls, dreams, near death experiences, premonitions and other things. Now if it was just you saying this then I'd laugh my head off but its not so I wont :)
And just to repeat what Goatboy has said, this isn't condoning drugs or anything like that, its an experience. I personally am against any and all forms of drugs ( but i drink caffeine, which is socially acceptable )
Very valid points you have raised, and I'm glad you have mate.
1st of all, just to reiterate (at the risk of sounding like a parent), I am not condoning or advocating this is any way whatsoever.
I was merely describing my reactions and experience, without attempting to convince other to follow suit.
Yes, it is an anaesthetic.
But the dosage needs to be carefully monitored.
I won't go into details because this forum is not the right place for that.
It is about perception and awareness of everything within, outside and all encompassing.
Whether it is medicinal or something else, I'm not sure, but I am aware of the sensations and effects produced.
Beneficial?
I can't speak for or against, merely that the emotions and experiences produced go way beyond what I consider to be the normal world view.
I'm being really cautious here, making sure not to promote or make it "sound cool".
All I can say is I am left with an over-riding feeling that our potential lies in thought and emotion, as opposed to corporeal form.
1st of all, just to reiterate (at the risk of sounding like a parent), I am not condoning or advocating this is any way whatsoever.
I was merely describing my reactions and experience, without attempting to convince other to follow suit.
Yes, it is an anaesthetic.
But the dosage needs to be carefully monitored.
I won't go into details because this forum is not the right place for that.
It is about perception and awareness of everything within, outside and all encompassing.
Whether it is medicinal or something else, I'm not sure, but I am aware of the sensations and effects produced.
Beneficial?
I can't speak for or against, merely that the emotions and experiences produced go way beyond what I consider to be the normal world view.
I'm being really cautious here, making sure not to promote or make it "sound cool".
All I can say is I am left with an over-riding feeling that our potential lies in thought and emotion, as opposed to corporeal form.
I've got a couple of questions, which I hope won't be taken the wrong way...
An effect of Ketamine is that it depresses a persons consciousness and lowers beathing rates so that in effect less oxygen is flowing to the brain. You describe something similar to an out of body experience, the sea of light some people claim to have seen or have described. I can remember that late last year there was a theory that this bright light effect and other effect of near death experiences are caused by the brain shutting down due to lack of oxygen with the lgiht then receding as oxygen returns to the brain. Ketamine is, after all, an anaestheic ( bad spelling I know ) How do you know what you experience is anything religious or just simply science ? Or have I misunderstood ?
Lastly,and this isn't the knee jerk reaction, what about the bad effects of Ketamine use ? The three which seem most worrying are ; ( taken from dancesafe.org )
"Frequent use can cause disruptions in consciousness and lead to neuroses or other mental disorders."
"Ketamine can cause a tremendous psychological dependence."
"The dissociation from one's consciousness experienced with ketamine can be highly seductive to some people, and there are many cases of ketamine addiction."
People in other countries may well have used substances for years to experience what they believe were/are other realms but what if these places are ntohgin to do with religion or belief and are simply the medical effects of a drug ?
I was going to put something about how the above three bad effects could cause a person to appear religious/believe in something but I don't knw how to word it withut causing offence to anyone so I won't !
An effect of Ketamine is that it depresses a persons consciousness and lowers beathing rates so that in effect less oxygen is flowing to the brain. You describe something similar to an out of body experience, the sea of light some people claim to have seen or have described. I can remember that late last year there was a theory that this bright light effect and other effect of near death experiences are caused by the brain shutting down due to lack of oxygen with the lgiht then receding as oxygen returns to the brain. Ketamine is, after all, an anaestheic ( bad spelling I know ) How do you know what you experience is anything religious or just simply science ? Or have I misunderstood ?
Lastly,and this isn't the knee jerk reaction, what about the bad effects of Ketamine use ? The three which seem most worrying are ; ( taken from dancesafe.org )
"Frequent use can cause disruptions in consciousness and lead to neuroses or other mental disorders."
"Ketamine can cause a tremendous psychological dependence."
"The dissociation from one's consciousness experienced with ketamine can be highly seductive to some people, and there are many cases of ketamine addiction."
People in other countries may well have used substances for years to experience what they believe were/are other realms but what if these places are ntohgin to do with religion or belief and are simply the medical effects of a drug ?
I was going to put something about how the above three bad effects could cause a person to appear religious/believe in something but I don't knw how to word it withut causing offence to anyone so I won't !
Ok, this is a tricky subject, but I feel I have to share something with you guys.
Now, I'm well aware that SR may feel this topic unsuitable and delete it. Fair enough, but please, don't just have a knee-jerk reaction and scream "Drugs are bad!".
I'm not talking about heroin/cocain abuse, I'm not promoting drug usage to anyone at all.
I am a 28 year old man that is free to do what he likes to himself, and I neither promote nor encourage the use of halucinagenic, psychtropic substances to anyone.
HOWEVER
Many, many cultures have used these for thousands of years as a way to experience things outside of the usual realm of thinking.
Not because they are evil drug addicts.
Ok, so before I post my experience, I want to repeat:
I am not telling anyone to go out and try this. I am not condoning the use of anything like this, nor am I saying it's a good thing.
I am merely reporting the experience I had, as a way of highlighting our perception of space, time, god and why we are here.
Ready?
Here goes:
Ketamine is the most intense, bizarre, and non-threatening psychedelic I've tried, and this perception is common among the people I know who've used it.
As the high is coming on there is a break in the continuity of consciousness. Soon after this point I find myself in a swirling psychedelic universe.
There is no concept that I am currently high on a drug that I'm going to come down from. Frequently there is no recollection of ever having been myself, been born, had a personality or body, or even known of planet earth. The experience is one of being in total orgasm with the universe.
I feel like I'm in hyperspace, simultaneously connected to all things. Billions of images and perceptions are simultaneously flowing through my circuits. I am not bound into three dimensions. In the fourth dimension of time I am not locked into the current moment. I experience backwards and forwards in time as well, with the current moment being the center of intensity.
On my first Ketamine experience there was a non-verbal feeling that my entire life up to that point had been preparation, particularly my other psychedelic experiences, and taking Ketamine was like pressing the GO button. It felt as though there had been a major and permanent shift in the "fabric of reality," or the mode in which I perceived the universe. It felt as though the states of mind I had broken through to in previous psychedelic peaks had become the base reality. And this new reality felt better than I'd ever anticipated it could be.
My past psychedelic experiences taught me how to release and flow within this type of world. On a Ketamine experience I do not need to "do" anything. Once administered, the experience simply happens. Sometimes I feel like a single atom or point of consciousness adrift in a swirling vortex of energies, like a single cell within a being of galactic proportions. This feeling may shift and I then become the center point through which all these energies pass.
The experience is of titanic proportions in the merging of energy, intent, and awareness, yet lucidly articulated to the minutes" spiralling details. All the while I feel very relaxed and at home in this universe. Even though any supports of reality, identity, or stability are being dissolved at the speed of light, I do not experience any fear, as if the one who would experience fear at losing these things is not a part of me. As the waves of experience pass through me I feel a bit like a kid on a rollercoaster. Although he's about to have an exhilarating experience while going over a hill, deeper in his mind he's confident that the rollercoaster will stay on its tracks.
Some 30 minutes to an hour into the experience I come to an apex. At this point I have felt that my will determines whether or not I exist, and whether or not the universe exists. And I could toggle between existence and non-existence many times within a second. I've even had the impression that I could cause the universe (which is quite fluid in the moment) to crystallise in whatever format I desired although I haven't had the impetus to actually try this.
After this comes the return to regular consciousness, which begins with one perception out of each million seeming like it's within my familiar perceptual structure. These "personal perceptions" increase in frequency, one every 100,000, one every 10,000. Soon I remember my previous identity. I've never felt this moment as disappointing, as I frequently feel when coming down from ecstasy.
When I realise I'm coming back it feels more novel like "Wow, I'm coming back, I wonder what life is going to be like after this experience." Although there is a feeling that the ride's almost over this part of the experience is quite interesting, with part of my mind still running circles around the cosmos, and another part reintegrating with my identity. Often I experience the return portion of the Ketamine Journey as an alien rebirth experience. Upon returning to the body, visuals will continue for a while with eyes opened. These can be quite spectacular and hallucinatory, and bear more resemblance to DMT visuals than other psychedelic visuals.
Kungurtsev found that Ketamine produced spiritual experiences, as well as long term changes in the spiritual outlook, in most of those who tried it. "It is interesting that many people who never thought about spirituality or the meaning of life reported having experiences that one might read about only in spiritual texts or Eastern teachings... For many patients it is a profound insight that they can exist without their bodies as pure consciousness or pure spirit. Many of them said that as a result of their experience, they understood the Christian notion of the separation of the soul and the body, and that they now believe some part of them will continue to exist after death.
There were several cases where people reported contact with God, but this is usually not an anthropomorphic figure. They describe an ocean of brilliant white light, which is filled with love, bliss, and energy."
Now, I'm well aware that SR may feel this topic unsuitable and delete it. Fair enough, but please, don't just have a knee-jerk reaction and scream "Drugs are bad!".
I'm not talking about heroin/cocain abuse, I'm not promoting drug usage to anyone at all.
I am a 28 year old man that is free to do what he likes to himself, and I neither promote nor encourage the use of halucinagenic, psychtropic substances to anyone.
HOWEVER
Many, many cultures have used these for thousands of years as a way to experience things outside of the usual realm of thinking.
Not because they are evil drug addicts.
Ok, so before I post my experience, I want to repeat:
I am not telling anyone to go out and try this. I am not condoning the use of anything like this, nor am I saying it's a good thing.
I am merely reporting the experience I had, as a way of highlighting our perception of space, time, god and why we are here.
Ready?
Here goes:
Ketamine is the most intense, bizarre, and non-threatening psychedelic I've tried, and this perception is common among the people I know who've used it.
As the high is coming on there is a break in the continuity of consciousness. Soon after this point I find myself in a swirling psychedelic universe.
There is no concept that I am currently high on a drug that I'm going to come down from. Frequently there is no recollection of ever having been myself, been born, had a personality or body, or even known of planet earth. The experience is one of being in total orgasm with the universe.
I feel like I'm in hyperspace, simultaneously connected to all things. Billions of images and perceptions are simultaneously flowing through my circuits. I am not bound into three dimensions. In the fourth dimension of time I am not locked into the current moment. I experience backwards and forwards in time as well, with the current moment being the center of intensity.
On my first Ketamine experience there was a non-verbal feeling that my entire life up to that point had been preparation, particularly my other psychedelic experiences, and taking Ketamine was like pressing the GO button. It felt as though there had been a major and permanent shift in the "fabric of reality," or the mode in which I perceived the universe. It felt as though the states of mind I had broken through to in previous psychedelic peaks had become the base reality. And this new reality felt better than I'd ever anticipated it could be.
My past psychedelic experiences taught me how to release and flow within this type of world. On a Ketamine experience I do not need to "do" anything. Once administered, the experience simply happens. Sometimes I feel like a single atom or point of consciousness adrift in a swirling vortex of energies, like a single cell within a being of galactic proportions. This feeling may shift and I then become the center point through which all these energies pass.
The experience is of titanic proportions in the merging of energy, intent, and awareness, yet lucidly articulated to the minutes" spiralling details. All the while I feel very relaxed and at home in this universe. Even though any supports of reality, identity, or stability are being dissolved at the speed of light, I do not experience any fear, as if the one who would experience fear at losing these things is not a part of me. As the waves of experience pass through me I feel a bit like a kid on a rollercoaster. Although he's about to have an exhilarating experience while going over a hill, deeper in his mind he's confident that the rollercoaster will stay on its tracks.
Some 30 minutes to an hour into the experience I come to an apex. At this point I have felt that my will determines whether or not I exist, and whether or not the universe exists. And I could toggle between existence and non-existence many times within a second. I've even had the impression that I could cause the universe (which is quite fluid in the moment) to crystallise in whatever format I desired although I haven't had the impetus to actually try this.
After this comes the return to regular consciousness, which begins with one perception out of each million seeming like it's within my familiar perceptual structure. These "personal perceptions" increase in frequency, one every 100,000, one every 10,000. Soon I remember my previous identity. I've never felt this moment as disappointing, as I frequently feel when coming down from ecstasy.
When I realise I'm coming back it feels more novel like "Wow, I'm coming back, I wonder what life is going to be like after this experience." Although there is a feeling that the ride's almost over this part of the experience is quite interesting, with part of my mind still running circles around the cosmos, and another part reintegrating with my identity. Often I experience the return portion of the Ketamine Journey as an alien rebirth experience. Upon returning to the body, visuals will continue for a while with eyes opened. These can be quite spectacular and hallucinatory, and bear more resemblance to DMT visuals than other psychedelic visuals.
Kungurtsev found that Ketamine produced spiritual experiences, as well as long term changes in the spiritual outlook, in most of those who tried it. "It is interesting that many people who never thought about spirituality or the meaning of life reported having experiences that one might read about only in spiritual texts or Eastern teachings... For many patients it is a profound insight that they can exist without their bodies as pure consciousness or pure spirit. Many of them said that as a result of their experience, they understood the Christian notion of the separation of the soul and the body, and that they now believe some part of them will continue to exist after death.
There were several cases where people reported contact with God, but this is usually not an anthropomorphic figure. They describe an ocean of brilliant white light, which is filled with love, bliss, and energy."