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Ok, this is going to be a long, serious topic. Unusual for me, but I’ve been reading a lot of “Influence” topics blaming games, movies and books for behaviour.
Well, I’ve had enough of it, I want to chuck my hat into the ring.
So here goes:
I grew up watching Looney Toons etc and at no point did I think "Cool! I want to do that", I thought "Cool! Cartoons!". If a kid imitates a cartoon, sorry but that kid is a moron, don't blame Mel Blanc. I wasn't dumped in front of the tv, my mum read to me, encouraged me to do creative stuff like paint, draw, puzzles, play outside...at I never, not once, ever, thought to imitate a cartoon or any other programme.
Sure, me and my mates played A-Team and The Fall Guy and all that, we acted out the shows - but at no point did the boundaries of reality slip and we actually thought we were escaped Vietnam Vets righting wrongs all the time.
And when you say about not being able to watch the kids 24/7, correct. However, they can do that themselves.
A kid has the best idea of what is suitable for them, and they put their hands over their eyes if they don’t like it.
I remember watching Poltergeist when I was about 9 round a mate's house, his mum didn’t care and let us watch it.
Frightened the life out of me, couldn’t sleep that night.
But I left the room, I didn’t’ sit and think "This is shocking, I must watch this and protest".
I got up and left the room. Being a kid doesn’t mean you're stupid.
Don't censor my movies and my radio and my books in case some moron kid decides to copy what he's just seen.
I'm sick of it, this didn't happen 20 years ago when I was "Impressionable".
You had all the video-nasties, movies like Straw Dogs were at the cinema, I watched "The Professionals" with guns and drugs and other bad things in each episode, and guess what?
I didn’t imitate these things to any harm.
EVERYONE here my age used to play Airwolf and The A-Team and Star Wars with their mates, be it with the toys or outside around where you live. You'd see gangs of dirty-faced kids charging about with plastic guns killing each.
And then we went home for tea and a bath.
End of story.
Where has this "Ooooo, there are so many dangers out there for little kids" come from?
You could pin it on society, bad parenting, video-games removing any imagination from kids...all manner of things. A kid is only influenced if it let’s itself.
You are influenced just as much.
Don’t think so? Got any designer clothes? Buy any one product because you liked the advert? Same thing, different age-group.
It comes back to the same old thing: Kids aren’t stupid, let them choose for themselves. I’m not saying subject them to hardcore porn and snuff movies, I’m saying don’t wrap all the corners in cotton-wall and put the glassware on the high-shelf “just in case”.
I can’t rent Natural Born Killers on video. I love Oliver Stone movies, so why not?
Because “it might be harmful to society”.
Who says? Don’t speak for me, I’m an adult. Let me choose what it good or bad for me. Don’t take my toys away and put them out of my reach goddamit, I am able to buy cigarettes (that may kill me one day), I can drive a car (that may kill me tonight on the way home), I can get married (that may kill sex drive dead), I can learn to fly (That may kill myself and other people).
But I can’t watch certain movies, play certain games, read certain books???
This is a retarded situation when I am prevented from doing whatever I want to, because “a kid may see and do the same”.
I don’t want kids because I don’t want the responsibility, so why am I responsible for everyone else’s?
It’s not right.
If movies and games had that much of an influence? Get rid of the lot and we can all in wonderland.
Wont happen though. We’ve had the same problems since we fell from the trees and learned to start fires.
Same old arguments will still be raging when we’re limb-less moon people in 2 million years.
And I still won’t be able to watch a few movies in case someone else copies what they see.
*phew*
Serious discussion over with.
Now, The Erotic Witch…..
Well, I’ve had enough of it, I want to chuck my hat into the ring.
So here goes:
I grew up watching Looney Toons etc and at no point did I think "Cool! I want to do that", I thought "Cool! Cartoons!". If a kid imitates a cartoon, sorry but that kid is a moron, don't blame Mel Blanc. I wasn't dumped in front of the tv, my mum read to me, encouraged me to do creative stuff like paint, draw, puzzles, play outside...at I never, not once, ever, thought to imitate a cartoon or any other programme.
Sure, me and my mates played A-Team and The Fall Guy and all that, we acted out the shows - but at no point did the boundaries of reality slip and we actually thought we were escaped Vietnam Vets righting wrongs all the time.
And when you say about not being able to watch the kids 24/7, correct. However, they can do that themselves.
A kid has the best idea of what is suitable for them, and they put their hands over their eyes if they don’t like it.
I remember watching Poltergeist when I was about 9 round a mate's house, his mum didn’t care and let us watch it.
Frightened the life out of me, couldn’t sleep that night.
But I left the room, I didn’t’ sit and think "This is shocking, I must watch this and protest".
I got up and left the room. Being a kid doesn’t mean you're stupid.
Don't censor my movies and my radio and my books in case some moron kid decides to copy what he's just seen.
I'm sick of it, this didn't happen 20 years ago when I was "Impressionable".
You had all the video-nasties, movies like Straw Dogs were at the cinema, I watched "The Professionals" with guns and drugs and other bad things in each episode, and guess what?
I didn’t imitate these things to any harm.
EVERYONE here my age used to play Airwolf and The A-Team and Star Wars with their mates, be it with the toys or outside around where you live. You'd see gangs of dirty-faced kids charging about with plastic guns killing each.
And then we went home for tea and a bath.
End of story.
Where has this "Ooooo, there are so many dangers out there for little kids" come from?
You could pin it on society, bad parenting, video-games removing any imagination from kids...all manner of things. A kid is only influenced if it let’s itself.
You are influenced just as much.
Don’t think so? Got any designer clothes? Buy any one product because you liked the advert? Same thing, different age-group.
It comes back to the same old thing: Kids aren’t stupid, let them choose for themselves. I’m not saying subject them to hardcore porn and snuff movies, I’m saying don’t wrap all the corners in cotton-wall and put the glassware on the high-shelf “just in case”.
I can’t rent Natural Born Killers on video. I love Oliver Stone movies, so why not?
Because “it might be harmful to society”.
Who says? Don’t speak for me, I’m an adult. Let me choose what it good or bad for me. Don’t take my toys away and put them out of my reach goddamit, I am able to buy cigarettes (that may kill me one day), I can drive a car (that may kill me tonight on the way home), I can get married (that may kill sex drive dead), I can learn to fly (That may kill myself and other people).
But I can’t watch certain movies, play certain games, read certain books???
This is a retarded situation when I am prevented from doing whatever I want to, because “a kid may see and do the same”.
I don’t want kids because I don’t want the responsibility, so why am I responsible for everyone else’s?
It’s not right.
If movies and games had that much of an influence? Get rid of the lot and we can all in wonderland.
Wont happen though. We’ve had the same problems since we fell from the trees and learned to start fires.
Same old arguments will still be raging when we’re limb-less moon people in 2 million years.
And I still won’t be able to watch a few movies in case someone else copies what they see.
*phew*
Serious discussion over with.
Now, The Erotic Witch…..
Meka_Dragon wrote:
That's
> because I didn't do it. I knew it would be wrong.
And that is my argument. We know right from wrong, and it ain't that hard to do.
But
> still, she didn't like it, so chose not to watch it. And she's not
> even 2 yet.
That's what I said about Poltergeist and anything else, kids censor themselves.
So I believe
> that it children are growing up violent, and nasty, it's because of
> what they have been subjected to, not what they've seen on
> television, or played in a video game.
I don't know, I would agree but I can't say for sure.
By that I don't mean old
> enough to not copy it, but old enough to understand that it isn't
> real, and flesh eating zombies won't try to eat them on the streets,
> and Freddy Kruger won't attack them in their dreams. There's a big
> difference between understanding and imitating.
Yep, and there lies the problem.
You and I cant watch movies or play games that idiots might imitate.
Not fair on those of us that have more than a knotted cord for brain matter.
That's
> because I didn't do it. I knew it would be wrong.
And that is my argument. We know right from wrong, and it ain't that hard to do.
But
> still, she didn't like it, so chose not to watch it. And she's not
> even 2 yet.
That's what I said about Poltergeist and anything else, kids censor themselves.
So I believe
> that it children are growing up violent, and nasty, it's because of
> what they have been subjected to, not what they've seen on
> television, or played in a video game.
I don't know, I would agree but I can't say for sure.
By that I don't mean old
> enough to not copy it, but old enough to understand that it isn't
> real, and flesh eating zombies won't try to eat them on the streets,
> and Freddy Kruger won't attack them in their dreams. There's a big
> difference between understanding and imitating.
Yep, and there lies the problem.
You and I cant watch movies or play games that idiots might imitate.
Not fair on those of us that have more than a knotted cord for brain matter.
Goatboy wrote:
> That's what I said.
But with more words.
lol... serves you right ;P
Congrats on your
> gameaday win, "Ok, maybe not the most popular
> opinion...."
err... cool, cheers man... (gotta check to see if your winding me up :) )
Imagine my suprise when it wasn't about
> terminally ill stunt-people
You want your grandmother dying like a little bird in some hospital room, her translucent skin so thin you can see her last heartbeat work its way down her blue veins?
Or do you want her to meet Chuck Norris?
> That's what I said.
But with more words.
lol... serves you right ;P
Congrats on your
> gameaday win, "Ok, maybe not the most popular
> opinion...."
err... cool, cheers man... (gotta check to see if your winding me up :) )
Imagine my suprise when it wasn't about
> terminally ill stunt-people
You want your grandmother dying like a little bird in some hospital room, her translucent skin so thin you can see her last heartbeat work its way down her blue veins?
Or do you want her to meet Chuck Norris?
I agree 100% People are quite quick and are willing to blame something they don't like or understand, computer games or movies for example, instead of finding out the real problem and doing something about that. I don't find hardly anything offensive to me, so why should there be director's cuts of films and why should musical artists have to censor their music just because some little kid might try it at home.
I'm now starting to repeat what Goatboy just said only in different words so i'll stop.
Darkreaper
I'm now starting to repeat what Goatboy just said only in different words so i'll stop.
Darkreaper
Despite being 23, and despite having kids myslef (bless 'em) I can remember being young.
I remember watching horror movies from a young age.
I don't remember hacking anyone to death.
That's because I didn't do it. I knew it would be wrong.
I can't comment on others, how can i know what goes on in their heads? But I think that I've always known right from wrong, and I didn't learn it from Howling Mad Murdock.
But do we have to wrap children in cotton wool? Well no, it get's in their mouth, and goes all funny. But seriously, King Kong was on on Sunday, or a version of it, I just left the TV, not watching it, but Malibu was, and when that big ape came on the screen she didn't like it. She turned away from the screen. She didn't then go on a rampage, eating people, and mashing buildings, but I'm not sure that she could if she wanted to. But still, she didn't like it, so chose not to watch it. And she's not even 2 yet.
If my children are going to copy anything, it will be what they see me do. Not what they see on television. That's why when I play Nintendo Malibu wants to sit with me, and hold a pad of her own, bashing the buttons as if she's playing. She doesn't imitate what's on the screen, but what I'm doing.
So I believe that it children are growing up violent, and nasty, it's because of what they have been subjected to, not what they've seen on television, or played in a video game.
Still, I'm not going to let Malibu or Georgia watch A Nightmare on Elm Street, or play Resident Evil until they're old enough. By that I don't mean old enough to not copy it, but old enough to understand that it isn't real, and flesh eating zombies won't try to eat them on the streets, and Freddy Kruger won't attack them in their dreams. There's a big difference between understanding and imitating.
I remember watching horror movies from a young age.
I don't remember hacking anyone to death.
That's because I didn't do it. I knew it would be wrong.
I can't comment on others, how can i know what goes on in their heads? But I think that I've always known right from wrong, and I didn't learn it from Howling Mad Murdock.
But do we have to wrap children in cotton wool? Well no, it get's in their mouth, and goes all funny. But seriously, King Kong was on on Sunday, or a version of it, I just left the TV, not watching it, but Malibu was, and when that big ape came on the screen she didn't like it. She turned away from the screen. She didn't then go on a rampage, eating people, and mashing buildings, but I'm not sure that she could if she wanted to. But still, she didn't like it, so chose not to watch it. And she's not even 2 yet.
If my children are going to copy anything, it will be what they see me do. Not what they see on television. That's why when I play Nintendo Malibu wants to sit with me, and hold a pad of her own, bashing the buttons as if she's playing. She doesn't imitate what's on the screen, but what I'm doing.
So I believe that it children are growing up violent, and nasty, it's because of what they have been subjected to, not what they've seen on television, or played in a video game.
Still, I'm not going to let Malibu or Georgia watch A Nightmare on Elm Street, or play Resident Evil until they're old enough. By that I don't mean old enough to not copy it, but old enough to understand that it isn't real, and flesh eating zombies won't try to eat them on the streets, and Freddy Kruger won't attack them in their dreams. There's a big difference between understanding and imitating.
That's what I said.
But with more words.
Congrats on your gameaday win, "Ok, maybe not the most popular opinion...."
Imagine my suprise when it wasn't about terminally ill stunt-people
But with more words.
Congrats on your gameaday win, "Ok, maybe not the most popular opinion...."
Imagine my suprise when it wasn't about terminally ill stunt-people
yep
Ok, this is going to be a long, serious topic. Unusual for me, but I’ve been reading a lot of “Influence” topics blaming games, movies and books for behaviour.
Well, I’ve had enough of it, I want to chuck my hat into the ring.
So here goes:
I grew up watching Looney Toons etc and at no point did I think "Cool! I want to do that", I thought "Cool! Cartoons!". If a kid imitates a cartoon, sorry but that kid is a moron, don't blame Mel Blanc. I wasn't dumped in front of the tv, my mum read to me, encouraged me to do creative stuff like paint, draw, puzzles, play outside...at I never, not once, ever, thought to imitate a cartoon or any other programme.
Sure, me and my mates played A-Team and The Fall Guy and all that, we acted out the shows - but at no point did the boundaries of reality slip and we actually thought we were escaped Vietnam Vets righting wrongs all the time.
And when you say about not being able to watch the kids 24/7, correct. However, they can do that themselves.
A kid has the best idea of what is suitable for them, and they put their hands over their eyes if they don’t like it.
I remember watching Poltergeist when I was about 9 round a mate's house, his mum didn’t care and let us watch it.
Frightened the life out of me, couldn’t sleep that night.
But I left the room, I didn’t’ sit and think "This is shocking, I must watch this and protest".
I got up and left the room. Being a kid doesn’t mean you're stupid.
Don't censor my movies and my radio and my books in case some moron kid decides to copy what he's just seen.
I'm sick of it, this didn't happen 20 years ago when I was "Impressionable".
You had all the video-nasties, movies like Straw Dogs were at the cinema, I watched "The Professionals" with guns and drugs and other bad things in each episode, and guess what?
I didn’t imitate these things to any harm.
EVERYONE here my age used to play Airwolf and The A-Team and Star Wars with their mates, be it with the toys or outside around where you live. You'd see gangs of dirty-faced kids charging about with plastic guns killing each.
And then we went home for tea and a bath.
End of story.
Where has this "Ooooo, there are so many dangers out there for little kids" come from?
You could pin it on society, bad parenting, video-games removing any imagination from kids...all manner of things. A kid is only influenced if it let’s itself.
You are influenced just as much.
Don’t think so? Got any designer clothes? Buy any one product because you liked the advert? Same thing, different age-group.
It comes back to the same old thing: Kids aren’t stupid, let them choose for themselves. I’m not saying subject them to hardcore porn and snuff movies, I’m saying don’t wrap all the corners in cotton-wall and put the glassware on the high-shelf “just in case”.
I can’t rent Natural Born Killers on video. I love Oliver Stone movies, so why not?
Because “it might be harmful to society”.
Who says? Don’t speak for me, I’m an adult. Let me choose what it good or bad for me. Don’t take my toys away and put them out of my reach goddamit, I am able to buy cigarettes (that may kill me one day), I can drive a car (that may kill me tonight on the way home), I can get married (that may kill sex drive dead), I can learn to fly (That may kill myself and other people).
But I can’t watch certain movies, play certain games, read certain books???
This is a retarded situation when I am prevented from doing whatever I want to, because “a kid may see and do the same”.
I don’t want kids because I don’t want the responsibility, so why am I responsible for everyone else’s?
It’s not right.
If movies and games had that much of an influence? Get rid of the lot and we can all in wonderland.
Wont happen though. We’ve had the same problems since we fell from the trees and learned to start fires.
Same old arguments will still be raging when we’re limb-less moon people in 2 million years.
And I still won’t be able to watch a few movies in case someone else copies what they see.
*phew*
Serious discussion over with.
Now, The Erotic Witch…..
Well, I’ve had enough of it, I want to chuck my hat into the ring.
So here goes:
I grew up watching Looney Toons etc and at no point did I think "Cool! I want to do that", I thought "Cool! Cartoons!". If a kid imitates a cartoon, sorry but that kid is a moron, don't blame Mel Blanc. I wasn't dumped in front of the tv, my mum read to me, encouraged me to do creative stuff like paint, draw, puzzles, play outside...at I never, not once, ever, thought to imitate a cartoon or any other programme.
Sure, me and my mates played A-Team and The Fall Guy and all that, we acted out the shows - but at no point did the boundaries of reality slip and we actually thought we were escaped Vietnam Vets righting wrongs all the time.
And when you say about not being able to watch the kids 24/7, correct. However, they can do that themselves.
A kid has the best idea of what is suitable for them, and they put their hands over their eyes if they don’t like it.
I remember watching Poltergeist when I was about 9 round a mate's house, his mum didn’t care and let us watch it.
Frightened the life out of me, couldn’t sleep that night.
But I left the room, I didn’t’ sit and think "This is shocking, I must watch this and protest".
I got up and left the room. Being a kid doesn’t mean you're stupid.
Don't censor my movies and my radio and my books in case some moron kid decides to copy what he's just seen.
I'm sick of it, this didn't happen 20 years ago when I was "Impressionable".
You had all the video-nasties, movies like Straw Dogs were at the cinema, I watched "The Professionals" with guns and drugs and other bad things in each episode, and guess what?
I didn’t imitate these things to any harm.
EVERYONE here my age used to play Airwolf and The A-Team and Star Wars with their mates, be it with the toys or outside around where you live. You'd see gangs of dirty-faced kids charging about with plastic guns killing each.
And then we went home for tea and a bath.
End of story.
Where has this "Ooooo, there are so many dangers out there for little kids" come from?
You could pin it on society, bad parenting, video-games removing any imagination from kids...all manner of things. A kid is only influenced if it let’s itself.
You are influenced just as much.
Don’t think so? Got any designer clothes? Buy any one product because you liked the advert? Same thing, different age-group.
It comes back to the same old thing: Kids aren’t stupid, let them choose for themselves. I’m not saying subject them to hardcore porn and snuff movies, I’m saying don’t wrap all the corners in cotton-wall and put the glassware on the high-shelf “just in case”.
I can’t rent Natural Born Killers on video. I love Oliver Stone movies, so why not?
Because “it might be harmful to society”.
Who says? Don’t speak for me, I’m an adult. Let me choose what it good or bad for me. Don’t take my toys away and put them out of my reach goddamit, I am able to buy cigarettes (that may kill me one day), I can drive a car (that may kill me tonight on the way home), I can get married (that may kill sex drive dead), I can learn to fly (That may kill myself and other people).
But I can’t watch certain movies, play certain games, read certain books???
This is a retarded situation when I am prevented from doing whatever I want to, because “a kid may see and do the same”.
I don’t want kids because I don’t want the responsibility, so why am I responsible for everyone else’s?
It’s not right.
If movies and games had that much of an influence? Get rid of the lot and we can all in wonderland.
Wont happen though. We’ve had the same problems since we fell from the trees and learned to start fires.
Same old arguments will still be raging when we’re limb-less moon people in 2 million years.
And I still won’t be able to watch a few movies in case someone else copies what they see.
*phew*
Serious discussion over with.
Now, The Erotic Witch…..