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I posted this in another forum but not many people seen it. If you have already read it then sorry for having it here again.
Although consoles have improved greatly over the past ten or so years, one
thing seems to have improved very little, and that is what our games come on.
Originally it was cartridges for the likes of the NES,Master System,
SNES,Mega Drive, N64 and a few others. The arival of the Playstation say the
change to CD based consoles, the Dreamcast also uses this. Then with the
arival of the PS2 we say the leap to using DVD's to store the game data.
I thought it would be a good idea for the big name companies, mainly Sony,
Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega and some hardware companies to try and create a
new type of storage device that would increase the capacity available to the
programmers.
I heard nintendo had a new type of CD/DVD that they where going to use but
I'm not sure if this is true. I also heard of new technology currently being tested
in Japan, where one small disk (it is square shaped and is about 6cm long) has
the storage capabilities of around 5 DVD's.
Console improve all the time so why not try and make the storage that the
games improve too, this is what we need for the so called "next generation
console". It won't happen with the PS2, GC or X-box but hopefully with the
consoles after that.
Technology changes all the time. The Amiga used to have a 1MG expansion
now we use that as a memory card on a PSX. Eventually the need for better
technology will come and no doubt someone will be there with a new
invention to shock the world.
With a CD you can hold at most 783 MB. The most you can store on a DVD is
around 15.9 GB but thats only if it is double sided and double layered. IBM
have been working on Holographic data storage, early devices have the storage
capacity of around 125 GB and a transfer rate of around 40 MB. Eventually
these devices could reach 1 TB (Terrabyte =1000GB) with a rate of 1GB a
second.
Imagine a games machine that uses this technology. It obviously wouldn't be
for a while but imagine what this could do, instead of buying games they could
be downloaded straight to your console and stored on a small disk, games
developers would have far more room to create games without having to worry
about how much room is left on the disk. I think in the future the storage will
greatly improve, maybe not like this for quite some time but it will gradualy get
there. You could have more than one game on each disk, maybee even between 5 and 10.
Also with the greater amount of space available the way games are made could
be changed offering the new users a new experience.
Although consoles have improved greatly over the past ten or so years, one
thing seems to have improved very little, and that is what our games come on.
Originally it was cartridges for the likes of the NES,Master System,
SNES,Mega Drive, N64 and a few others. The arival of the Playstation say the
change to CD based consoles, the Dreamcast also uses this. Then with the
arival of the PS2 we say the leap to using DVD's to store the game data.
I thought it would be a good idea for the big name companies, mainly Sony,
Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega and some hardware companies to try and create a
new type of storage device that would increase the capacity available to the
programmers.
I heard nintendo had a new type of CD/DVD that they where going to use but
I'm not sure if this is true. I also heard of new technology currently being tested
in Japan, where one small disk (it is square shaped and is about 6cm long) has
the storage capabilities of around 5 DVD's.
Console improve all the time so why not try and make the storage that the
games improve too, this is what we need for the so called "next generation
console". It won't happen with the PS2, GC or X-box but hopefully with the
consoles after that.
Technology changes all the time. The Amiga used to have a 1MG expansion
now we use that as a memory card on a PSX. Eventually the need for better
technology will come and no doubt someone will be there with a new
invention to shock the world.
With a CD you can hold at most 783 MB. The most you can store on a DVD is
around 15.9 GB but thats only if it is double sided and double layered. IBM
have been working on Holographic data storage, early devices have the storage
capacity of around 125 GB and a transfer rate of around 40 MB. Eventually
these devices could reach 1 TB (Terrabyte =1000GB) with a rate of 1GB a
second.
Imagine a games machine that uses this technology. It obviously wouldn't be
for a while but imagine what this could do, instead of buying games they could
be downloaded straight to your console and stored on a small disk, games
developers would have far more room to create games without having to worry
about how much room is left on the disk. I think in the future the storage will
greatly improve, maybe not like this for quite some time but it will gradualy get
there. You could have more than one game on each disk, maybee even between 5 and 10.
Also with the greater amount of space available the way games are made could
be changed offering the new users a new experience.
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I posted this in another forum but not many people seen it. If you have already read it then sorry for having it here again.
Although consoles have improved greatly over the past ten or so years, one
thing seems to have improved very little, and that is what our games come on.
Originally it was cartridges for the likes of the NES,Master System,
SNES,Mega Drive, N64 and a few others. The arival of the Playstation say the
change to CD based consoles, the Dreamcast also uses this. Then with the
arival of the PS2 we say the leap to using DVD's to store the game data.
I thought it would be a good idea for the big name companies, mainly Sony,
Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega and some hardware companies to try and create a
new type of storage device that would increase the capacity available to the
programmers.
I heard nintendo had a new type of CD/DVD that they where going to use but
I'm not sure if this is true. I also heard of new technology currently being tested
in Japan, where one small disk (it is square shaped and is about 6cm long) has
the storage capabilities of around 5 DVD's.
Console improve all the time so why not try and make the storage that the
games improve too, this is what we need for the so called "next generation
console". It won't happen with the PS2, GC or X-box but hopefully with the
consoles after that.
Technology changes all the time. The Amiga used to have a 1MG expansion
now we use that as a memory card on a PSX. Eventually the need for better
technology will come and no doubt someone will be there with a new
invention to shock the world.
With a CD you can hold at most 783 MB. The most you can store on a DVD is
around 15.9 GB but thats only if it is double sided and double layered. IBM
have been working on Holographic data storage, early devices have the storage
capacity of around 125 GB and a transfer rate of around 40 MB. Eventually
these devices could reach 1 TB (Terrabyte =1000GB) with a rate of 1GB a
second.
Imagine a games machine that uses this technology. It obviously wouldn't be
for a while but imagine what this could do, instead of buying games they could
be downloaded straight to your console and stored on a small disk, games
developers would have far more room to create games without having to worry
about how much room is left on the disk. I think in the future the storage will
greatly improve, maybe not like this for quite some time but it will gradualy get
there. You could have more than one game on each disk, maybee even between 5 and 10.
Also with the greater amount of space available the way games are made could
be changed offering the new users a new experience.
Although consoles have improved greatly over the past ten or so years, one
thing seems to have improved very little, and that is what our games come on.
Originally it was cartridges for the likes of the NES,Master System,
SNES,Mega Drive, N64 and a few others. The arival of the Playstation say the
change to CD based consoles, the Dreamcast also uses this. Then with the
arival of the PS2 we say the leap to using DVD's to store the game data.
I thought it would be a good idea for the big name companies, mainly Sony,
Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega and some hardware companies to try and create a
new type of storage device that would increase the capacity available to the
programmers.
I heard nintendo had a new type of CD/DVD that they where going to use but
I'm not sure if this is true. I also heard of new technology currently being tested
in Japan, where one small disk (it is square shaped and is about 6cm long) has
the storage capabilities of around 5 DVD's.
Console improve all the time so why not try and make the storage that the
games improve too, this is what we need for the so called "next generation
console". It won't happen with the PS2, GC or X-box but hopefully with the
consoles after that.
Technology changes all the time. The Amiga used to have a 1MG expansion
now we use that as a memory card on a PSX. Eventually the need for better
technology will come and no doubt someone will be there with a new
invention to shock the world.
With a CD you can hold at most 783 MB. The most you can store on a DVD is
around 15.9 GB but thats only if it is double sided and double layered. IBM
have been working on Holographic data storage, early devices have the storage
capacity of around 125 GB and a transfer rate of around 40 MB. Eventually
these devices could reach 1 TB (Terrabyte =1000GB) with a rate of 1GB a
second.
Imagine a games machine that uses this technology. It obviously wouldn't be
for a while but imagine what this could do, instead of buying games they could
be downloaded straight to your console and stored on a small disk, games
developers would have far more room to create games without having to worry
about how much room is left on the disk. I think in the future the storage will
greatly improve, maybe not like this for quite some time but it will gradualy get
there. You could have more than one game on each disk, maybee even between 5 and 10.
Also with the greater amount of space available the way games are made could
be changed offering the new users a new experience.
Jeez, whe've only just had DVD capability in consoles for 6 months and people are already moaning, get a grip will ya!
The DVD can store approx 20 times the amount of data than a CD as you said in your post Aliboy! I think it'll be few years until they get to the point of filling the discs up completly so what the hell are you worrying about.
Yeah, I've seen these developments in storage capacitys of the next gen DVD etc but that's gonna be at least a couple of years before it goes into production (probably longer) so why harp on about console companies getting together and bringing another format onto the market? And can you imagine the cost of not only the hardware (console) but the games?
Oh and another thing, everyone's moaning about the delays in release times of games, can you imagine what the delays would be like if the developers had 1 Terrabyte of data that they could play and store on!
I think I'd rather wait another couple of years until the next gen console comes out with the next gen DVD/new storage format than wish it was here now.....just remember when GT3 turns up on your doorstep and after playing it think "glad I waited for this game and the developers have done a really cool job" and then the wait starts all over again for MGS2......and then it'll be the next big game etc
Lighten up and be patient!!
The DVD can store approx 20 times the amount of data than a CD as you said in your post Aliboy! I think it'll be few years until they get to the point of filling the discs up completly so what the hell are you worrying about.
Yeah, I've seen these developments in storage capacitys of the next gen DVD etc but that's gonna be at least a couple of years before it goes into production (probably longer) so why harp on about console companies getting together and bringing another format onto the market? And can you imagine the cost of not only the hardware (console) but the games?
Oh and another thing, everyone's moaning about the delays in release times of games, can you imagine what the delays would be like if the developers had 1 Terrabyte of data that they could play and store on!
I think I'd rather wait another couple of years until the next gen console comes out with the next gen DVD/new storage format than wish it was here now.....just remember when GT3 turns up on your doorstep and after playing it think "glad I waited for this game and the developers have done a really cool job" and then the wait starts all over again for MGS2......and then it'll be the next big game etc
Lighten up and be patient!!
I was referimg to what might happen in the future, ie at least 5-6 years away. We couldn't use this technology now as there is no demand for it.
What you fail to notice here is that although the PS2 uses DVDs, most of todays games still come on CD. As storage improves so does compression, efficient design techniques etc etc counterbalancing the need for extra storage.
I would be very surprised if many games fill even a one sided DVD at the moment due to the sheer man hours and depth of gameplay a game would need. This also comes back to the whole discussion about waiting for titles. We are already twiddling our thumbs waiting for certain games - the concept of filling a double sided dvd would just increase the wait and ultimately the frustration.
I would be very surprised if many games fill even a one sided DVD at the moment due to the sheer man hours and depth of gameplay a game would need. This also comes back to the whole discussion about waiting for titles. We are already twiddling our thumbs waiting for certain games - the concept of filling a double sided dvd would just increase the wait and ultimately the frustration.
how the flip can a dvd be square shaped, i mean it wouldn't spin right and a laser wouldn't read it correctly.
There are also special shape CD's which can be given away free or bought that are shapes. I've never seen a shape one. Iam sure it says something about this in the PS2 manual.
thesox wrote:
> Perhaps sony could expand on the minidisc. It provides better
> quality than cd and is compact
The MD puts out 174kb/ps of digital audio quality, a CD puts out 192kb/ps. Just because the minidisc is newer does not make it better my son. Anyway Data MDs have been invented but have not really been implemented to date. A dual format MD would have to be invented for it to work with games, but if Sony ever released a hand held, MDs for the games?? Who knows??
> Perhaps sony could expand on the minidisc. It provides better
> quality than cd and is compact
The MD puts out 174kb/ps of digital audio quality, a CD puts out 192kb/ps. Just because the minidisc is newer does not make it better my son. Anyway Data MDs have been invented but have not really been implemented to date. A dual format MD would have to be invented for it to work with games, but if Sony ever released a hand held, MDs for the games?? Who knows??
Resevilfan wrote:
> how the flip can a dvd be square shaped, i mean it wouldn't spin
> right and a laser wouldn't read it correctly.
It wasn't a dvd, looked like a small square tile. The laser unit moved to read the disk not like most units where the disk spins this one just remained stationary.
> how the flip can a dvd be square shaped, i mean it wouldn't spin
> right and a laser wouldn't read it correctly.
It wasn't a dvd, looked like a small square tile. The laser unit moved to read the disk not like most units where the disk spins this one just remained stationary.
Yeah Minidiscs are great, you can't scratch them, you can have the title and album names actually on the disc and you can record and re-record your own from your PS2. Top stuff Originally created by our friends at SONY.
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