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Sat 01/10/05 at 14:06
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I have a leaflet for BT Broadband, but on the Basic version (which I am most interested in), it say there is 1GB monthly usage? What does this mean, because it rings a bell in my head about something I heard a long time ago about some sort of internet limit that would really annoy people who go online a lot. I obviously don't specialise in this sort of stuff lol, but if someone could clear this up for me it would be very helpful.
Thu 06/10/05 at 23:32
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"Jim Jam Jim"
Posts: 5,626
Tomm wrote:
> But in fairness this restriction hardly affects anybody. So if you
> are a normal user its nothing to worry about. No-one really needs to
> be using all the bandwidth on their internet connection all day
> everyday.

True, but traffic management for both Pipex (6pm-Midnight) and Tiscali (4pm-11pm Mon-Fri and 12pm-4pm Weekends and Bank holidays) will cause people who use there internet just at these times to have problems. You could download on Pipex between Midnight-6pm at full speed but between 6pm-12pm not use the connection and be ok. Where as someone who just uses there connection between 6pm-Midnight and never during Midnight-6pm be restricted with traffic management.
Thu 06/10/05 at 09:53
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"the burning sky"
Posts: 4,984
adrian wrote:
> Tomm wrote:
> But look, Tiscali, uncapped, 1meg, 14.99!
>
> No caps are coming, and there are absolutely no restrictions.
> Suprisingly it does exactly what it says on the tin. Although if you
> do hog bandwidth they will remove you. Tho I dont mean the odd
> torrent here or there. Its the people with the 2 meg connections
> that are constantly downloading all month.
>
> So a total contradiction to what you have said. On one hand Tiscali
> have absolutely no restrictions, yet you say if you hog the bandwidth
> they remove you, seems like a restriction to me.

But in fairness this restriction hardly affects anybody. So if you are a normal user its nothing to worry about. No-one really needs to be using all the bandwidth on their internet connection all day everyday.
Wed 05/10/05 at 23:43
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"Jim Jam Jim"
Posts: 5,626
Tomm wrote:
> But look, Tiscali, uncapped, 1meg, 14.99!
>
> No caps are coming, and there are absolutely no restrictions.
> Suprisingly it does exactly what it says on the tin. Although if you
> do hog bandwidth they will remove you. Tho I dont mean the odd
> torrent here or there. Its the people with the 2 meg connections that
> are constantly downloading all month.

So a total contradiction to what you have said. On one hand Tiscali have absolutely no restrictions, yet you say if you hog the bandwidth they remove you, seems like a restriction to me.

As I mentioned there are very few ISPs that are truley unlimited. Pipex who I am with say they are unlimited and there were, until a few months ago. Then they introduced traffic management which is basically a restriction, use too much bandwidth during 6pm-Midnight and you will be managed, i.e connection speed cut down to whatever they like, in some cases not much better than 56K.

Tiscali and Pipex both have a Fair usage policy (FUP) in place now which limits bandwidth between certain hours of the day, normally during peak times. There not caps as you could one day download all day and be ok, but do it day after day etc then you would get something done about it which is usually management i.e connection speeds reduced.

FUP is going to be the norm for ISPs who dont have a fixed cap as it means that they want to limit your usage during times of the day they feel could cause problems on there network, which would slow other users down.

As I have mentioned already I am with Pipex and dont know how much bandwidth I can use between 6pm-Midnight so I dont get traffic managed. It could be 1Gb between this period or could be more or less, I dont know. So really its a restriction, as I am not using my connection when I want, to do what I want. So the ISPs are advertising a unlimited service but with a restriction, doesnt really seem right to do that.
Wed 05/10/05 at 14:38
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"Cigar smoker"
Posts: 7,885
Don't forget that BT will also charge you extra per month to access their SMTP servers .. so receiving emails is ok, sending emails costs does it .. yeah another great reason to NOT go with BT.

Ever considered Pipex?
Wed 05/10/05 at 11:00
Regular
"Lisan al-Gaib"
Posts: 7,093
Ranma wrote:
> What some are forgetting to mention is that BT won't suddenly cut you
> off, they'll put you on some crappy connection with all the other
> heavy users.

Until the next month, where you return to the high speed service.
Wed 05/10/05 at 10:56
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"the burning sky"
Posts: 4,984
But look, Tiscali, uncapped, 1meg, 14.99!

No caps are coming, and there are absolutely no restrictions. Suprisingly it does exactly what it says on the tin. Although if you do hog bandwidth they will remove you. Tho I dont mean the odd torrent here or there. Its the people with the 2 meg connections that are constantly downloading all month.
Sun 02/10/05 at 23:48
Regular
"Jim Jam Jim"
Posts: 5,626
Ranma wrote:
> I think soon they will stop having such low usage limits especially
> as more people are legally downloading content, such as BBC programs
> that went on trial this month. Oh and the new consoles coming out.

I doubt it very much, all the truley unlimited ISPs that had no cap at all are introducing Caps or restrictions during certain hours. Plusnet have come out with new limits, ok they are in the region of 100GB a month but still capped unlike the unlimited use they had before.

With ADSL, BT have changed charging ISPs for data sent to customers and not a fixed amount for the use of the line. So before the ISP would pay a fixed sum for 512K, 1MB and 2MB lines so thats why 2MB cost more a month because BT charged the ISP more for a 2MB line than a 512K or 1MB. Now BT charge a smaller amount for the line and its the same whether its 512K, 1MB or 2MB etc, but they charge for how much each line(customer) uses.

So with the current situation a low usage customer is good for a ISP while a high usage customer is bad. So BT and other ISPs do cheap services with caps on because downloading any more than that and the ISP would lose money, thats why its very hard to find a single ISP that doesnt have some sort of restriction/cap in place, if you do they will be more expensive and the average customer isnt going to pay more due to the rest of the market being at a lower price point.
Sun 02/10/05 at 17:57
Regular
"the burning sky"
Posts: 4,984
[URL]http://www.broadband.co.uk[/URL]
Sun 02/10/05 at 17:49
"slightlyshortertagl"
Posts: 10,759
ukonline offer a good deal, if you're in one of 'their' areas.
Sun 02/10/05 at 17:38
Regular
"the burning sky"
Posts: 4,984
Asher wrote:
> Why does it have to be so complicated. I just want to use my computer
> in peace lol.

Get tiscali, cheap, unlimited, simple!

The 2Meg unlimited service is only 17.99 as well.

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