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"Bah some people are so up themselves..."

I suggested to a friend on MSN, checking IGN for a WotW review and I admit that they probably arent the most reliable source, but I didnt expect this... To be honest he's an English student, so I half expected something this epic when riled...


Me: Hey
Me: I still thought we were meant to be seeing WotW today
Him: dunno if WotW will be a good film or not
Me: it should be, I might read ign's review
Me: or see what score they gave it
Him: hmm, yes
Him: you could take an awfully written, poorly edited, badly designed and generally suspect VIDEO GAME site and see what they have to say about, erm, a film
Him: or you could try a site actually made with the concept of reviewing movies and not just wringing an extra few thousand out of the advertising contract
Me: ign arent devil spawn you know...
Him: ...
Him: ok, sure
Me: hmmm
Him: so, what did your dark masters have to say about the flick?
Me: ign?
Me: not very positive at the moment
Me: you know the adverts are bearable
Him: they're all over the place!
Him: often you'll have to navigate 6 or 7 seperate pages to get to the review
Me: It took me two pages to find what I wanted
Him: and then you're blattered with on screen documents.
Him: flash adverts
Him: banners
Him: popups
Him: but what's this!
Him: give them a sh&t load of money instead, and you don't HAVE to see the adverts!
Him: oh, don't be deceived!
Him: you may get lucky on one trip
Him: but the times when IGN decides to 'insert' it's advertising pages are completely randomised
Him: you might get one before entering the site
Him: one getting to the film review archive
Him: one getting to the actual review
Him: one betwixt each page of said review
Me: literally took me 3 clicks on 2 pages and i was there
Me: come-on its not that bad
Him: it's obvious that they know what an evil they perpertrate
Him: when they actually advertise methods for getting rid of their advertisements
Him: this is before we mention whoring out the theme of their website for 'great promotions', receiving countless backhanders to put themselves into the richly-lined pockets of the industry heavyweights, an utterly banal 'grasp' of what it is to be a gamer
Me: errrm yes...
Him: ...is not a valid response to points which I assure you can all be demonstrated
Him: not that they need to be, as a visit to IGN is in itself a demonstration
Him: what did they have to say about the film, then?
Me: i still dont mind ign, whilst the scores they give may not always be the best for deciding on a game purchase, they give a number of opinions which ultimately do help
Him: yes! we have the developers opinion, the publishers opinion, the opinion of the marketers...
Me: they arent always great, but you cant overlook them just cus of adverts and the fact they may or may not have sold out
Him: "the fact they may or may not have sold out" is one of the primary factors in my decision
Him: the adverts are inconvenient, intrusive, and cannot be justified by anything other than corporate greed
Me: but how many sites dont have adverts?
Him: It's not adverts that I object to
Him: it's the amount of adverts
Him: and the lack of tact with which these corporate behegons scream their wares in a Xtreme Nitro Fuzion GOOO! sort of way
Him: as if we all watched MTV and snowboarded down mountains at the weekend
Him: YEAH!
Me: it is bad i agree, but content is generally good, unless you have some reason why it isnt
Him: I just object to the style personally
Him: it tries to hard to be hardcore gamer
Him: awkwardly self aware turns of phrase, name-checks, and so on
Him: and then when that fails, you have the cynical buisness roots coming through
Him: exclusives! interviews! this site only!
Him: if we can't beat the competition, we'll just buy em!
Him: (merger with gamespy)
Me: i dont see a problem with that, they normally are exclusive
Him: to the detriment of the wider gaming media
Him: it's a parallel reflection of the curse in the industry
Him: Microsoft buying up all the hardware patent
Him: Sony buying up all the advertising slots
Him: EA buying up everyone, ever, that can code, and any IPs that they might have about them
Me: i suppose
Me: Then again we do have a choice, and people still buy them.
Him: I can't think of a single EA game I've bought in the past 3 years
Him: I'm not saying they're not worth playing
Me: exactly
Him: but what I am saying is that I object to the methods they use which will be harmful to the industry in the future
Me: i can see your standpoint
Him: and will encourage an environment where originality and creativity are spurned to churn out fancier graphics
Me: well EA arent really about the graphics either
Him: oh come on
Him: if it's not graphics it's finding a series
Him: and then making sequels
Him: either way the end product is the same
Him: developers - what remain of them after EA's ruthless buy and and squash em policy - will no longer be encouraged to improve upon what they have
Him: because
Him: where will the competition be?
Him: if we all take this opinion
Him: "Then again we do have a choice, and people still buy them."
Him: then we're accepting that we don't want GOOD games, we'll chow down on any old crap and we'll be happy to spend a lot for the privelege
Me: you've twisted my quote, my point was that you seemingly despise microsoft, sony et al but you still use/buy their products
Him: I wasn't twisting, I was just extending the implications of your attitude
Him: "all fair play"!
Him: "let em do what they want, at the end of the day, we'll keep buying"
Me: I explained what I meant, and I meant nothing more than that.
Him: I know
Him: but their are implications to the standpoints we take today on the way things turn out in the future
Him: and for your information
Him: I DON'T buy EA games, I DON'T buy Sony products, and I DON'T buy games or consoles from microsoft either
Him: I will happily discuss a game from anyone on its merits and failings
Him: it's what I love to do
Me: tbh i've kinda forgotten what the point of this was
Him: well, if you can't be bothered to keep up
Him: I might just go and play some CoH
Me: i believe the point was being made about ign, not msoft or sony, so yes it is extremely off topic
Me: tbh every console has its own fanbase, Xbox, and PS2 all have their merits, they shouldnt be so easily dismissed for their 'marketing strategies'
Me: and despite how outrageously fun this was, i'm off to do something more productive...
Me: i'll leave you to CofH

Hedfix wrote:
> So popping it to agree that it's rubbish is a good idea?

YES!!!!!

So popping it to agree that it's rubbish is a good idea?

> Super Kev wrote:
> To long. Got bored reading.

Same ere...Wasn't at all humerous.

I think i would have generated a "stfu" after the 10th line.

Memorandum! wrote:
> hahaha he said 'betwixt'

I wrote 'betwixt' in none of my exams the other day.
It was very boring, as you may have realised.

Anywho ... your friend is right, although rather tedious.

CofH?

Super Kev wrote:
> To long. Got bored reading.

2nded.

To long. Got bored reading.

He would if you weren't his mom.

Tiltawhirl wrote:
> Yourmom wrote:
> >"look i have boobs, buy $H1t from this
> commercial" protrayal of women in adverts. God damn media.
>
> BUT SHE HAS BOOBS!

I do too, praise me.