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The art of the Kamikaze
The Japanese for 'divine wind' ... although these people are suicide bombers there's still something amazing about being able to give up everything, all they have, to blow themselves up for a sense of honour
I'm talking here about the sense of honour that seems very prevelant, and always has been, in Japan - as opposed to the religous fanatics who kill and maim many innocents, again that is their cause
Kamikazists aren't people who I admire, but rather the code of strict ethics and keeping to their principles, what they believe in, should be held above all else, even their lives.
Morality and honour seem to be somewhat 'dead' in modern day society - especially of the Western World. I do not agree with killing many people to prove a point - I'm only extracting that these people must have tremendous courage and believe in their causes completely to do this.
Once again I stress that I'm not talking about the religous fanatics, but rather the Japanese (and men/women of other nationalities) who laid down their lives in this seemingly absurd way in a time of war, against Britain, America and The Allies. There's a difference between killing innocents to prove a point and fighting who they see as the enemy.
I don't believe in suicicde bombing or rule by terror just that people can be disciplined enough to stick to their priniples. This was a better example than, say, a marathon runner because it shows the price their willing to pay.
Hopefully this made you think ... maybe it didn't? Discuss it here. Feel free to go back to your own worlds now
Thanks
The Japanese for 'divine wind' ... although these people are suicide bombers there's still something amazing about being able to give up everything, all they have, to blow themselves up for a sense of honour
I'm talking here about the sense of honour that seems very prevelant, and always has been, in Japan - as opposed to the religous fanatics who kill and maim many innocents, again that is their cause
Kamikazists aren't people who I admire, but rather the code of strict ethics and keeping to their principles, what they believe in, should be held above all else, even their lives.
Morality and honour seem to be somewhat 'dead' in modern day society - especially of the Western World. I do not agree with killing many people to prove a point - I'm only extracting that these people must have tremendous courage and believe in their causes completely to do this.
Once again I stress that I'm not talking about the religous fanatics, but rather the Japanese (and men/women of other nationalities) who laid down their lives in this seemingly absurd way in a time of war, against Britain, America and The Allies. There's a difference between killing innocents to prove a point and fighting who they see as the enemy.
I don't believe in suicicde bombing or rule by terror just that people can be disciplined enough to stick to their priniples. This was a better example than, say, a marathon runner because it shows the price their willing to pay.
Hopefully this made you think ... maybe it didn't? Discuss it here. Feel free to go back to your own worlds now
Thanks
Having 'courage' would result in being able to sit down at a table and discuss terms.
Throwing yourself at an enemy in a futile suicide merely hardens your enemies resolve and solves nothing, with one less champion of your cause left to fight for it.
Throwing yourself at an enemy in a futile suicide merely hardens your enemies resolve and solves nothing, with one less champion of your cause left to fight for it.
It would appear that you see a difference between the 'ja[anese' and 'religious fanatic' motivations for this kind of action - but isn't that the crux of the matter - that the people taking part in this kind of thing don't.
they all believe/ or have been convinced that they are fighting in a war, that the people they are targeting are their enemy, and that by giving up their lives they will have a positive impact of the struggle of their people.
That's why it's so hard to change the mind of anyone who feels that this is a justified course of action- because, they are already so far down the line in believing that th only thing they can contribute to improve the situation is themselves.
doesn't help when the majority of the US then re-elects Bush, because up until that point, the rest of america could say that it was it's govt making the decision to 'fight Saddam' or whoever, using the tactics they have, or maitain the facilities at Guantanamo etc
and similarly - we will not be able to hide behind out govt if the british people re-elect the labour party. it sends the message that we agree with the tactis being employed on our behalf.
I do to some extent understand your 'awe' (too strong a word?) at people who do this, and the honour etc that must come from their culture that makes this kind of thing 'honourable'
interesting though - that in other societies, taking your own life is a 'cowardly' thing to do, rather than 'facing the enemy', or 'living to die another day'...?
they all believe/ or have been convinced that they are fighting in a war, that the people they are targeting are their enemy, and that by giving up their lives they will have a positive impact of the struggle of their people.
That's why it's so hard to change the mind of anyone who feels that this is a justified course of action- because, they are already so far down the line in believing that th only thing they can contribute to improve the situation is themselves.
doesn't help when the majority of the US then re-elects Bush, because up until that point, the rest of america could say that it was it's govt making the decision to 'fight Saddam' or whoever, using the tactics they have, or maitain the facilities at Guantanamo etc
and similarly - we will not be able to hide behind out govt if the british people re-elect the labour party. it sends the message that we agree with the tactis being employed on our behalf.
I do to some extent understand your 'awe' (too strong a word?) at people who do this, and the honour etc that must come from their culture that makes this kind of thing 'honourable'
interesting though - that in other societies, taking your own life is a 'cowardly' thing to do, rather than 'facing the enemy', or 'living to die another day'...?
Zeus wrote:
> Once again I stress that I'm not talking about the religous fanatics,
> but rather the Japanese (and men/women of other nationalities) who
> laid down their lives in this seemingly absurd way in a time of war,
> against Britain, America and The Allies. There's a difference between
> killing innocents to prove a point and fighting who they see as the
> enemy.
The Kamikaze attack on Pearl Harbor was unannounced. The USA only declared war on Japan after they were attacked without warning. That's not very honourable. In fairness the oil embargo may have been an attempt to goad the Japanese into war, but still.
> Once again I stress that I'm not talking about the religous fanatics,
> but rather the Japanese (and men/women of other nationalities) who
> laid down their lives in this seemingly absurd way in a time of war,
> against Britain, America and The Allies. There's a difference between
> killing innocents to prove a point and fighting who they see as the
> enemy.
The Kamikaze attack on Pearl Harbor was unannounced. The USA only declared war on Japan after they were attacked without warning. That's not very honourable. In fairness the oil embargo may have been an attempt to goad the Japanese into war, but still.
This was a half million question on WWTBAM. The guy went on to win th million.
The art of the Kamikaze
The Japanese for 'divine wind' ... although these people are suicide bombers there's still something amazing about being able to give up everything, all they have, to blow themselves up for a sense of honour
I'm talking here about the sense of honour that seems very prevelant, and always has been, in Japan - as opposed to the religous fanatics who kill and maim many innocents, again that is their cause
Kamikazists aren't people who I admire, but rather the code of strict ethics and keeping to their principles, what they believe in, should be held above all else, even their lives.
Morality and honour seem to be somewhat 'dead' in modern day society - especially of the Western World. I do not agree with killing many people to prove a point - I'm only extracting that these people must have tremendous courage and believe in their causes completely to do this.
Once again I stress that I'm not talking about the religous fanatics, but rather the Japanese (and men/women of other nationalities) who laid down their lives in this seemingly absurd way in a time of war, against Britain, America and The Allies. There's a difference between killing innocents to prove a point and fighting who they see as the enemy.
I don't believe in suicicde bombing or rule by terror just that people can be disciplined enough to stick to their priniples. This was a better example than, say, a marathon runner because it shows the price their willing to pay.
Hopefully this made you think ... maybe it didn't? Discuss it here. Feel free to go back to your own worlds now
Thanks
The Japanese for 'divine wind' ... although these people are suicide bombers there's still something amazing about being able to give up everything, all they have, to blow themselves up for a sense of honour
I'm talking here about the sense of honour that seems very prevelant, and always has been, in Japan - as opposed to the religous fanatics who kill and maim many innocents, again that is their cause
Kamikazists aren't people who I admire, but rather the code of strict ethics and keeping to their principles, what they believe in, should be held above all else, even their lives.
Morality and honour seem to be somewhat 'dead' in modern day society - especially of the Western World. I do not agree with killing many people to prove a point - I'm only extracting that these people must have tremendous courage and believe in their causes completely to do this.
Once again I stress that I'm not talking about the religous fanatics, but rather the Japanese (and men/women of other nationalities) who laid down their lives in this seemingly absurd way in a time of war, against Britain, America and The Allies. There's a difference between killing innocents to prove a point and fighting who they see as the enemy.
I don't believe in suicicde bombing or rule by terror just that people can be disciplined enough to stick to their priniples. This was a better example than, say, a marathon runner because it shows the price their willing to pay.
Hopefully this made you think ... maybe it didn't? Discuss it here. Feel free to go back to your own worlds now
Thanks