GetDotted Domains

Viewing Thread:
"New storage medium required!"

The "General Games Chat" forum, which includes Retro Game Reviews, has been archived and is now read-only. You cannot post here or create a new thread or review on this forum.

Sat 26/05/01 at 01:35
Regular
Posts: 787
Good grief... one of my HD's has just given up the ghost (well, a few hours ago - hence my absence from the forums for most of the evening), and after only 10 months of use, too. And it has taken with it 30Gb of my files. We're not talking corruption here... we're talking mechanical failure. The heads are clicking, but they ain't moving - so I can't even recover any data with ScanDisk.

Fair enough, it contained nothing of major importance... just my entire 6Gb MP3 collection (which I luckily burned to CD two weeks ago), and all of my game installations. That's the one that hurts most... having to start all those games from scratch again. Fortunately, being within the warranty period, it should be replaced free of charge (no, not by SR) so it shouldn't cost me anything other than installation time.

Anyway, it got me thinking... isn't it about time that computer scientists started to put some serious effort into creating a cheaper, faster, more reliable method of mass storage?

Larger and faster HD's are all well and good, but with larger capacity comes the need for faster access times, meaning higher r.p.m. and more precise head movement, resulting in ever more sensitive devices. Not to mention the extra heat they generate.

HD's have become much more reliable over the years, but being mechanical devices with finely-tuned moving parts, they are *always* going to fail eventually, no matter how careful you are with them. And of course, fate dictates that they will always wait until they are full before they pop their electronic clogs!

So, what can we use instead? The ideal solution with existing technology would be NVRAM (Non Volatile RAM), which can be written and re-written like normal RAM, but won't lose its contents when the power supply is removed - just like console memory cards. True, NVRAM isn't perfect, but with no moving parts and far less heat generated, it's got to be better than sensitive, magnetic media.

But with the price of such RAM, the equivalent of a 30Gb HD would mean only the Queen and Bill Gates could afford them, so that's pretty much ruled out. What else? There isn't much in existing technology really, is there? So, what about future technology?

Not meaning to get on Goatboy's - err - goat... but take, for example, the solutions used in sci-fi shows: the neuro gel packs on Voyager, or the data crystals used in Babylon 5. Gigabytes of information stored in one small crystal, with instant access, no moving parts and no heat generated.

Yes, it may sound like a silly fantasy now, but look at all the other areas where science fact has been driven by science fiction... Space travel (trips to Mars, deep-space probes, space stations), lasers (as tools, weapons, guidance systems), even computers themselves. Computers in sci-fi shows had voice recognition long before the average real-world computer could even have a microphone connected to it, let alone have the power recognise a human voice. In fact, the original Star Trek's computer is still far ahead of what we have today, but we are catching up.

So many areas of computing have moved on in leaps and bounds in the last 30 years or so. By comparison, disk drives - HD's, and especially floppies (when's the last time you used a 3.5-inch floppy disk, apart from as a virus-recovery boot disk?)- are pretty antique by comparison.

In my opinion, we need a new storage medium - and the sooner the better! The whole world is heading towards mass storage, and the more info you have stored, the quicker you need to search it to get what you want. Being mechanical, I think that HD technology will only get us so far, unless it gets a radical design overhaul in the next 5-10 years.

Comments anyone?
Sat 26/05/01 at 09:09
Moderator
"possibly impossible"
Posts: 24,985
Ok, so while they are busy inventing a replacement to the Hard Drive, the scientist bods shouldn't just think about speed and capacity. There are tons of other things that would make using a PC a better experience.

Think about one of the major problems of using a PC for games (apart from setting them up, that is) Yes, storage. Now, however big your hard drive is going to be, the games creators will take advantage of that and make their games bigger, using more space on the hard drive. I'm surprised that they haven't brought out a game that uses 5 DVDs yet, but it can't be far off...

What we need is some form of removable or swappable media that's faster than a Hard Drive and stores more information. Perhaps you could have a jukebox system, where the discs are swapped around when you select a drive letter, even if it isn't physically. The drives also have to have less moving parts or the need for a vacuum. They need to be protected from bumps and bangs when the machine is on and have little or no heat production.

Some sort of solid-state memory is definitely called for here. Unfortunately, it's so expensive at the moment that it would push PC prices up so far that only Bill Gates would be able to afford a PC, suppose it would be ironic, considering he’d have to use his own operating system (I have a sneaking suspicion that he uses Linux on his home PC though…)

So cheaper solid state memory is called for, preferably in more than 20gb chunks. Well, it may happen, but certainly not anytime soon.
Sat 26/05/01 at 02:57
Regular
"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
My cats breath smells of cat's food
Sat 26/05/01 at 02:55
"High polygon count"
Posts: 15,624
Batistuta wrote:
> Okay, whats the deal with optical data? Its the format nintendo are
> using with the GC. do you know anything about it?

Optical media - as in using mini-DVD's instead of cartridges? If that's what you mean, then they still don't have the capacity for mass storage yet, not to mention seek and access times; and they still have the possibility of mechanical failure.

If by "optical data" you mean another type of storage, then no - I know nothing of it.
Sat 26/05/01 at 02:03
Regular
Posts: 15,579
liquid dream right?
Sat 26/05/01 at 02:01
Posts: 0
'With Janet Jackson's smile'
Sat 26/05/01 at 01:55
Regular
Posts: 15,579
Okay, whats the deal with optical data? Its the format nintendo are using with the GC. do you know anything about it?
Sat 26/05/01 at 01:50
"High polygon count"
Posts: 15,624
Batistuta wrote:
> well, when everone has a fast internet connection would it not be
> possible to store all our data onto online storage thingys.


It sure will - but it'll all still be held on large server machines with banks of HD's...
Sat 26/05/01 at 01:47
Regular
"Eff, you see, kay?"
Posts: 14,156
The Internet?

If access speeds get high enough.

Anyway, I'm happy with my HDD. See you all tomorrow, I'm off to bed now. Expect a new SR Posse story tomorrow - I will win GAD if I break my fingers doing it. I need to win by Friday, so I can get Crazy Taxi.

My my, Ali. You are looking lovely today. Have you done something with your hair... :-)

Night!

*snoore*
Sat 26/05/01 at 01:46
Regular
Posts: 15,579
well, when everone has a fast internet connection would it not be possible to store all our data onto online storage thingys.
Sat 26/05/01 at 01:43
"High polygon count"
Posts: 15,624
Not quick enough, or large enough capacity.

I'm talking the same size as HD's (i.e. gigabytes all in one place, not on multiple discs), with instant access, high transfer rates and high reliability.

Freeola & GetDotted are rated 5 Stars

Check out some of our customer reviews below:

10/10
Over the years I've become very jaded after many bad experiences with customer services, you have bucked the trend. Polite and efficient from the Freeola team, well done to all involved.
LOVE it....
You have made it so easy to build & host a website!!!
Gemma

View More Reviews

Need some help? Give us a call on 01376 55 60 60

Go to Support Centre

It appears you are using an old browser, as such, some parts of the Freeola and Getdotted site will not work as intended. Using the latest version of your browser, or another browser such as Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, or Opera will provide a better, safer browsing experience for you.