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Sat 29/01/05 at 11:42
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I log onto the net just for fun, but this time I encountered a site which was written by an anti-Islamic fellow. I swear, if you or anyone of your friend would have been a Muslim, you'd have liked to kick his back.

The site's content was nevertheless very interesting. It's about the Taj Mahal, Agra, India. I don't have the URL of that site now, and I'm sure I'd get banned for posting such a site URL. However, the site was based on some Prof. P.N. Oak whose works can be read here [URL]http://rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu:8080/hindu_history/modern/taj_oak.html[/URL]

This professor has listed some 110 odd proofs on this page that the Taj Mahal was a Hindu Temple and wasn't built by Shahjehan as we think it to be. These proofs are excerpts from his book "Taj Mahal - A True Story".

For a ready argument, I am just posting a few of those ***** interesting *****proofs. You may like reading these.

[1]
Taj Mahal is a structure supposedly devoted to carnal love by the "great" Moghul king Shahjehan to his favorite wife Mumtaz Mahal. Please keep in my mind that this is the same Shah Johan who had a harem of 5,000 women and the same Shah Johan who had a incestuous relationship with his daughter justifying it by saying, 'a gardener has every right to taste the fruit he has planted'! Is such a person even capable of imagining such a wondrous structure as the Taj Mahal let alone be the architect of it? (Sic)

[2]

The famous historian Shri P.N. Oak has proved (sic) that Taj Mahal is actually Tejo Mahalaya-- a Shiv temple-palace. His work was published in 1965 in the book, Taj Mahal - The True Story. The ISBN number of the book is ISBN 0-9611614-4-2. The book is available through A. Ghosh (Publisher), 5720 W. Little York, #216, Houston, Texas 77091

[3]

Since the term Taj Mahal does not occur in mogul courts it is absurd to search for any mogul explanation for it. Both its components namely, 'Taj' and 'Mahal' are of Sanskrit origin. The term Taj Mahal is a corrupt form of the Sanskrit term TejoMahalaya signifying a Shiva Temple. Agreshwar Mahadev i.e., The Lord of Agra was consecrated in it.

[4]

There are persons who are connected with the repair and the maintenance of the Taj who have seen the ancient sacred Shiva Linga and other idols sealed in the thick walls and in chambers in the secret, sealed red stone stories below the marble basement. The Archaeological Survey of India is keeping discretely, politely and diplomatically silent about it to the point of dereliction of its own duty to probe into hidden historical evidence. Immediately bellow the marble plinth on the river flank are 22 rooms in red stone with their ventilators all walled up by Shahjehan. Those rooms, made uninhabitable by Shahjehan, are kept locked by Archeology Department of India. The lay visitor is kept in the dark about them. Those 22 rooms still bear ancient paint on their walls and ceilings. On their side is a nearly 33 feet long corridor. There are two door frames one at either end of the corridor. But those doors are intriguingly sealed with brick and lime.

[5]

Agra city, in which the Taj Mahal is located, is an ancient centre of Shiva worship. Its orthodox residents have through ages continued the tradition of worshipping at five Shiva shrines before taking the last meal every night especially during the month of Shravan. During the last few centuries the residents of Agra had to be content with worshipping at only four prominent Shiva temples viz., Balkeshwar, Prithvinath, Manakameshwar and Rajarajeshwar. They had lost track of the fifth Shiva deity which their forefathers worshipped. Apparently the fifth was Agreshwar Mahadev Nagnatheshwar i.e., The Lord Great God of Agra, The Deity of the King of Cobras, consecrated in the Tejomahalaya alias Taj Mahal.

[6]

Saharan's own court chronicle, the Badshahnama, admits (page 403, vol 1) that a grand mansion of unique splendor, capped with a dome (Imaarat-a-Alishan wa Gumbaze) was taken from the Jaipur Maharaja Jaisigh for Mumtaz's burial, and the building was known as Raja Mansingh's palace.

[7]

Tavernier, a French jeweler has recorded in his travel memoirs that Shahjehan purposely buried Mumtaz near the Taz-i-Makan (i.e., The Taj building'). The work that Shahjehan commissioned in the Tejomahalaya Shiva temple was plundering at the costly fixtures inside it, uprooting the Shiva idols, planting the cenotaphs in their place on two stories, inscribing the Koran along the arches and walling up six of the seven stories of the Taj. It was this plunder, desecrating and plundering of the rooms which took 22 years, according to his account which are taken as the 22 years of construction of the Taj.

[8]

Bernier, a contemporary French visitor has noted that non Muslim's were barred entry into the basement (at the time when Shahjehan requisitioned Mansingh's palace) which contained a dazzling light. Obviously, he referred to the silver doors, gold railing, the gem studded lattice and strings of pearl hanging over Shiva's idol. Shahjehan commandeered the building to grab all the wealth, making Mumtaz's death a convenient pretext.

[9]

Well known Western authorities on architecture like E. B. Havell, Mrs. Kenoyer and Sir W. W. Hunterhave gone on record to say that the Taj Mahal is built in the Hindu temple style.

The embossed patterns on the marble exterior of the cenotaph chamber wall are foliage of the conch shell design and the Hindu letter OM. The octagonally laid marble lattices inside the cenotaph chamber depict pink lotuses on their top railing. The Lotus, the conch and the [/B]OM[/B] are the sacred motifs associated with the Hindu deities and temples. The interior of the dome rising over Mumtaz's cenotaph has a representation of Sun and cobras drawn in gold. Hindu warriors trace their origin to the Sun. For an Islamic mausoleum the Sun is redundant. Cobras are always associated with Lord Shiva.

Between the so-called mosque and the drum house is a multistoried octagonal well with a flight of stairs reaching down to the water level. This is a traditional treasury well in Hindu temple palaces. Such an elaborate multistoried well is superfluous and necessary for a mere mausoleum.

[10]

Had Shahjehan really built the Taj Mahal as a wonder mausoleum, history would have recorded a specific date on which Mumtaz Mahal was ceremoniously buried in the Taj Mahal. No such date is ever mentioned. This important missing detail decisively exposes the falsity of the Taj Mahal legend. Even the year of Mumtaz's death is unknown. It is variously speculated to be 1629, 1630, 1631 or 1632. Had she deserved a fabulous burial, the date of her death had not been a matter of much speculation. In a harem teeming with 5000 women it was difficult to keep track of dates of death. Apparently the date of Mumtaz's death was so insignificant an event, as not to merit any special notice. Who would then build a Taj for her burial?

[11]

The cost of the Taj is nowhere recorded in Shahjehan's court papers because Shahjehan never built the Taj Mahal. That is why wild estimates of the cost by gullible writers have ranged from 4 million to 91.7 million rupees.

20,000 laborers are supposed to have worked for 22 years during Shahjehan reign in building the Taj Mahal. Had this been true, there should have been available in Shahjehan's court papers design drawings, heaps of labor muster rolls, daily expenditure sheets, bills and receipts of material ordered, and commissioning orders. There is not even a scrap of paper of this kind.

[12]

Description of the gardens around the Taj of Shahjehan's time mention Ketaki, Jai, Jui, Champa, Maulashree, Harshringar and Bel. All these are plants whose flowers or leaves are used in the worship of Hindu deities. Bel leaves are exclusively used in Lord Shiva's worship. A graveyard is planted only with shady trees because the idea of using fruit and flower from plants in a cemetery is abhorrent to human conscience. The presence of Bel and other flower plants in the Taj garden is proof of its having been a Shiva temple before seizure by Shahjehan.

[13]

The Taj Mahal has a reverberating (echoing) dome which is used in Hindu temples for echoing the sound of morning aartis. Such a dome is an absurdity for a tomb which must ensure peace and silence.

[14]

The marble that Shahjehan used for grafting Koranic lettering in the Taj is of a pale white shade while the rest of the Taj is built of a marble with rich yellow tint. This disparity is proof of the Koranic extracts being a superimposition.

[15]

Fanciful accounts about Shahjehan commissioning the Taj are all confused. Some asserted that Shahjehan ordered building drawing from all over the world and chose one from among them. Others assert that a man at hand was ordered to design a mausoleum and his design was approved. Had any of those versions been true Shahjehan's court papers should have had thousands of drawings concerning the Taj. But there is not even a single drawing. This is yet another clinching proof that Shahjehan did not commission the Taj.

[16]

That the Taj Mahal dome has hundreds of iron rings sticking out of its exterior is a feature rarely noticed. These are made to hold earthen oil lamps for temple illumination.

[17]

What is the reason behind a tomb having such lavishly constructed rooms, and why should there be rooms in a tomb in the first place?

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Also, remember that I've posted this topic just for a bit of interesting discussion. There is no racist feeling involved here.
Sat 29/01/05 at 11:42
Regular
"Always the winner?"
Posts: 650
I log onto the net just for fun, but this time I encountered a site which was written by an anti-Islamic fellow. I swear, if you or anyone of your friend would have been a Muslim, you'd have liked to kick his back.

The site's content was nevertheless very interesting. It's about the Taj Mahal, Agra, India. I don't have the URL of that site now, and I'm sure I'd get banned for posting such a site URL. However, the site was based on some Prof. P.N. Oak whose works can be read here [URL]http://rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu:8080/hindu_history/modern/taj_oak.html[/URL]

This professor has listed some 110 odd proofs on this page that the Taj Mahal was a Hindu Temple and wasn't built by Shahjehan as we think it to be. These proofs are excerpts from his book "Taj Mahal - A True Story".

For a ready argument, I am just posting a few of those ***** interesting *****proofs. You may like reading these.

[1]
Taj Mahal is a structure supposedly devoted to carnal love by the "great" Moghul king Shahjehan to his favorite wife Mumtaz Mahal. Please keep in my mind that this is the same Shah Johan who had a harem of 5,000 women and the same Shah Johan who had a incestuous relationship with his daughter justifying it by saying, 'a gardener has every right to taste the fruit he has planted'! Is such a person even capable of imagining such a wondrous structure as the Taj Mahal let alone be the architect of it? (Sic)

[2]

The famous historian Shri P.N. Oak has proved (sic) that Taj Mahal is actually Tejo Mahalaya-- a Shiv temple-palace. His work was published in 1965 in the book, Taj Mahal - The True Story. The ISBN number of the book is ISBN 0-9611614-4-2. The book is available through A. Ghosh (Publisher), 5720 W. Little York, #216, Houston, Texas 77091

[3]

Since the term Taj Mahal does not occur in mogul courts it is absurd to search for any mogul explanation for it. Both its components namely, 'Taj' and 'Mahal' are of Sanskrit origin. The term Taj Mahal is a corrupt form of the Sanskrit term TejoMahalaya signifying a Shiva Temple. Agreshwar Mahadev i.e., The Lord of Agra was consecrated in it.

[4]

There are persons who are connected with the repair and the maintenance of the Taj who have seen the ancient sacred Shiva Linga and other idols sealed in the thick walls and in chambers in the secret, sealed red stone stories below the marble basement. The Archaeological Survey of India is keeping discretely, politely and diplomatically silent about it to the point of dereliction of its own duty to probe into hidden historical evidence. Immediately bellow the marble plinth on the river flank are 22 rooms in red stone with their ventilators all walled up by Shahjehan. Those rooms, made uninhabitable by Shahjehan, are kept locked by Archeology Department of India. The lay visitor is kept in the dark about them. Those 22 rooms still bear ancient paint on their walls and ceilings. On their side is a nearly 33 feet long corridor. There are two door frames one at either end of the corridor. But those doors are intriguingly sealed with brick and lime.

[5]

Agra city, in which the Taj Mahal is located, is an ancient centre of Shiva worship. Its orthodox residents have through ages continued the tradition of worshipping at five Shiva shrines before taking the last meal every night especially during the month of Shravan. During the last few centuries the residents of Agra had to be content with worshipping at only four prominent Shiva temples viz., Balkeshwar, Prithvinath, Manakameshwar and Rajarajeshwar. They had lost track of the fifth Shiva deity which their forefathers worshipped. Apparently the fifth was Agreshwar Mahadev Nagnatheshwar i.e., The Lord Great God of Agra, The Deity of the King of Cobras, consecrated in the Tejomahalaya alias Taj Mahal.

[6]

Saharan's own court chronicle, the Badshahnama, admits (page 403, vol 1) that a grand mansion of unique splendor, capped with a dome (Imaarat-a-Alishan wa Gumbaze) was taken from the Jaipur Maharaja Jaisigh for Mumtaz's burial, and the building was known as Raja Mansingh's palace.

[7]

Tavernier, a French jeweler has recorded in his travel memoirs that Shahjehan purposely buried Mumtaz near the Taz-i-Makan (i.e., The Taj building'). The work that Shahjehan commissioned in the Tejomahalaya Shiva temple was plundering at the costly fixtures inside it, uprooting the Shiva idols, planting the cenotaphs in their place on two stories, inscribing the Koran along the arches and walling up six of the seven stories of the Taj. It was this plunder, desecrating and plundering of the rooms which took 22 years, according to his account which are taken as the 22 years of construction of the Taj.

[8]

Bernier, a contemporary French visitor has noted that non Muslim's were barred entry into the basement (at the time when Shahjehan requisitioned Mansingh's palace) which contained a dazzling light. Obviously, he referred to the silver doors, gold railing, the gem studded lattice and strings of pearl hanging over Shiva's idol. Shahjehan commandeered the building to grab all the wealth, making Mumtaz's death a convenient pretext.

[9]

Well known Western authorities on architecture like E. B. Havell, Mrs. Kenoyer and Sir W. W. Hunterhave gone on record to say that the Taj Mahal is built in the Hindu temple style.

The embossed patterns on the marble exterior of the cenotaph chamber wall are foliage of the conch shell design and the Hindu letter OM. The octagonally laid marble lattices inside the cenotaph chamber depict pink lotuses on their top railing. The Lotus, the conch and the [/B]OM[/B] are the sacred motifs associated with the Hindu deities and temples. The interior of the dome rising over Mumtaz's cenotaph has a representation of Sun and cobras drawn in gold. Hindu warriors trace their origin to the Sun. For an Islamic mausoleum the Sun is redundant. Cobras are always associated with Lord Shiva.

Between the so-called mosque and the drum house is a multistoried octagonal well with a flight of stairs reaching down to the water level. This is a traditional treasury well in Hindu temple palaces. Such an elaborate multistoried well is superfluous and necessary for a mere mausoleum.

[10]

Had Shahjehan really built the Taj Mahal as a wonder mausoleum, history would have recorded a specific date on which Mumtaz Mahal was ceremoniously buried in the Taj Mahal. No such date is ever mentioned. This important missing detail decisively exposes the falsity of the Taj Mahal legend. Even the year of Mumtaz's death is unknown. It is variously speculated to be 1629, 1630, 1631 or 1632. Had she deserved a fabulous burial, the date of her death had not been a matter of much speculation. In a harem teeming with 5000 women it was difficult to keep track of dates of death. Apparently the date of Mumtaz's death was so insignificant an event, as not to merit any special notice. Who would then build a Taj for her burial?

[11]

The cost of the Taj is nowhere recorded in Shahjehan's court papers because Shahjehan never built the Taj Mahal. That is why wild estimates of the cost by gullible writers have ranged from 4 million to 91.7 million rupees.

20,000 laborers are supposed to have worked for 22 years during Shahjehan reign in building the Taj Mahal. Had this been true, there should have been available in Shahjehan's court papers design drawings, heaps of labor muster rolls, daily expenditure sheets, bills and receipts of material ordered, and commissioning orders. There is not even a scrap of paper of this kind.

[12]

Description of the gardens around the Taj of Shahjehan's time mention Ketaki, Jai, Jui, Champa, Maulashree, Harshringar and Bel. All these are plants whose flowers or leaves are used in the worship of Hindu deities. Bel leaves are exclusively used in Lord Shiva's worship. A graveyard is planted only with shady trees because the idea of using fruit and flower from plants in a cemetery is abhorrent to human conscience. The presence of Bel and other flower plants in the Taj garden is proof of its having been a Shiva temple before seizure by Shahjehan.

[13]

The Taj Mahal has a reverberating (echoing) dome which is used in Hindu temples for echoing the sound of morning aartis. Such a dome is an absurdity for a tomb which must ensure peace and silence.

[14]

The marble that Shahjehan used for grafting Koranic lettering in the Taj is of a pale white shade while the rest of the Taj is built of a marble with rich yellow tint. This disparity is proof of the Koranic extracts being a superimposition.

[15]

Fanciful accounts about Shahjehan commissioning the Taj are all confused. Some asserted that Shahjehan ordered building drawing from all over the world and chose one from among them. Others assert that a man at hand was ordered to design a mausoleum and his design was approved. Had any of those versions been true Shahjehan's court papers should have had thousands of drawings concerning the Taj. But there is not even a single drawing. This is yet another clinching proof that Shahjehan did not commission the Taj.

[16]

That the Taj Mahal dome has hundreds of iron rings sticking out of its exterior is a feature rarely noticed. These are made to hold earthen oil lamps for temple illumination.

[17]

What is the reason behind a tomb having such lavishly constructed rooms, and why should there be rooms in a tomb in the first place?

---------------- ---------------- --------------- ---------- ------------ --------------- -------------

Also, remember that I've posted this topic just for a bit of interesting discussion. There is no racist feeling involved here.
Sat 29/01/05 at 11:44
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Racialist.
Sat 29/01/05 at 11:49
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I won't bother reading it and I'm sure I don't care anyway.
Sat 29/01/05 at 11:53
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Some fancy way of getting his word count up.
Sat 29/01/05 at 12:41
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Winster, make a webiste or seomthing, I'm sure you'll be as good as monkey_man is with all this time you have for making moot points about dull articles.
Sat 29/01/05 at 13:01
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Was that compliment? I can't tell anymore, everyone is so sarcastic.
Sat 29/01/05 at 13:28
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I couldn't read it all but:

The Winster wrote:
> [1]
> Taj Mahal is a structure supposedly devoted to carnal love by the
> "great" Moghul king Shahjehan to his favorite wife Mumtaz
> Mahal. Please keep in my mind that this is the same Shah Johan who
> had a harem of 5,000 women and the same Shah Johan who had a
> incestuous relationship with his daughter justifying it by saying,
> 'a gardener has every right to taste the fruit he has
> planted'
! Is such a person even capable of imagining such a
> wondrous structure as the Taj Mahal let alone be the architect of it?
> (Sic)

Like you said, the writer guy is a tossser.
His proof that someone couldn't be a designer?
Because they were a perv?
This guy is a bit simpleton, isn't he.

Ansyway, remember what I told you about bitesize.
Also, it's hard to interest people with random "topics" that they've never thought about before.
Kudos for trying, and keep it up.
You'll get in the flow of things soon enough! ;-)
Sat 29/01/05 at 13:29
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monkey_man wrote:
> Was that compliment? I can't tell anymore, everyone is so sarcastic.

Yeah, though it wasn't as obvious as I first thought. Urgh, my head!

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