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"Final Forza Car List"

For all of you out there slavering after a Turismo beater here's the full list of cars

Forza Motorsport Final Car Roster:

1967 AC Shelby Cobra
1997 Acura NSX
2001 Acura Integra Type-R
2002 Acura RSX Type-S
2003 Acura 3.2 CL Type S
2004 Acura NSX
2002 Acura #42 RealTime Racing NSX SC Driven by Peter Cunningham
2001 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish
2005 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe
2001 Audi 2002 Infineon R8
2004 Audi S4
2004 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro
2000 Audi S4
2003 Audi RS 6
2002 Audi #1 Champion Audi Racing S4 Competition Driven by Michael Galati
2003 Audi #1 Champion Audi Racing RS 6 Driven by Michael Galati
2002 Audi Le Mans #38 Champion AudiR8
2001 Audi Le Mans #4 Johansson Motorsport R8
2004 Audi #8 24h Nürburgring TT-R
2004 Bentley Continental GT
2003 Bentley #7 Team Bentley Speed 8
1997 BMW #43 Team Schnitzer Motorsport GTR
1999 BMW #15 Team BMW Motorsports V12 LMR
2003 BMW #43 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR
2003 BMW #42 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR
1987 Buick Regal GNX
2002 Cadillac #8 Team Cadillac LMP 02
2004 Cadillac CTS-V
2004 Cadillac #16 Team Cadillac Driven by Max Angelelli
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
1967 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427 L-88
2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS
1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6
2002 Chevrolet Lingenfelter 427 CID Twin Turbo Corvette
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Guldstrand Edition
2004 Chevrolet #73 3R Racing Corvette Z06 Driven by Phil McClure
2003 Chevrolet #3 Corvette Racing C5-R
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS
2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT (Turbo)
2005 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve
1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR
2003 Dodge SRT4
1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi
2003 Dodge Viper SRT10
2004 Dodge Viper Competition Coupe
2000 Dodge Hennessey Viper 800TT
2003 Dodge #23 Magellan Financial Viper Competition Coupe Driven by Paul Mumford
2004 Dodge #22 3R-Racing Viper Competition Coupe Driven by Tommy Archer
2002 Dodge Nürburgring 24 Hours Viper GTS ACR #1 - FujiFilm
1998 Eagle Talon TSI Turbo
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello
2004 Ferrari 360 Modena
1964 Ferrari 250 GTO
2003 Enzo Ferrari
1995 Ferrari F50
1993 Ferrari 512 TR
1984 Ferrari GTO
1992 Ferrari F40
1967 Ferrari 330 P4
1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT
1998 Ferrari 355 GTS
2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
1996 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione
1998 Ferrari F355 Challenge
2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello
2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
2003 Ford Focus SVT
1966 Ford GT40
1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R
2005 Ford Mustang GT
2005 Ford GT
2004 Ford #10 Tiger Racing Mustang Driven by Carol Hollfelder
2004 Honda Civic Type-R Hatch (Japan)
2000 Honda Prelude Type SH
1999 Honda Civic Si Coupe
1995 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC
2004 Honda Accord Coupe EX
2003 Honda S2000
1994 Honda Civic SI
1991 Honda CRX Si-R (Japan)
2004 Honda NSX-R (Japan)
2002 Honda Mugen Integra Type-R (Japan)
2003 Honda JGTC #18 Dome Racing Team NSX
2003 Honda JGTC #8 Autobacs Racing Team Aguri NSX
2004 Honda Mugen Civic Type-R Hatch
2000 Honda Integra Type-R (Japan)
2003 Honda Mugen S2000
1992 Honda NSX-R (Japan)
2003 Honda JGTC #16 Dome Racing Team NSX
2002 Honda Integra Type-R (Japan)
2000 Honda Aerogear Integra Type-R
2000 Honda VIS Racing Integra Type-R
2004 Honda Wings West Civic R J Spec
2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe
1993 Jaguar XJ220 Road Car
1961 Jaguar S1 E-type 3.8
2002 Koenigsegg CC8S
1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale
1992 Lancia Delta Integrale EVO
2002 Lexus SC430
2003 Lexus IS300
2002 Lotus Elise 111S
2002 Lotus Esprit V8
1972 Lotus Elan Sprint
2005 Lotus Exige
2005 Lotus Elise
1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo
2000 Mazda Miata MX-5 1.8i Sport
2004 Mazda RX-8
2003 Mazda Protégé MAZDASPEED
2004 Mazda 3 Sport
1995 Mazda RX-7 Turbo
2000 Mazda MX-5 MAZDASPEED
2004 Mazda RX-8 MAZDASPEED
2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R
1995 Mazda AB FlugRX-7
1995 Mazda INGS RX-7
1954 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing Coupe
1998 Mercedes CLK-GTR
2004 Mercedes C32 AMG
2004 Mercedes SLR
2003 Mercedes CLK55 AMG Coupe
2005 Mercedes CL65 AMG
2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK-DTM #3 Team Vodafone
2003 MINI Cooper-S
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII GSR RS
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS
1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR
1998 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R
1995 Mitsubishi Mine's CP9A Lancer Evolution VI RS
2000 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII FQ-330
2004 Mitsubishi Sparco Lancer Evolution VIII
2002 Nissan Mine's GT-R (R34)
1972 Nissan 240 ZX
2003 Nissan 350Z Track
1998 Nissan #32 Nissan Motorsports R390 GT1
1994 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo Version R
2004 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE
2000 Nissan Silvia Spec-R
2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V Spec II (R34)
1995 Nissan Skyline GT-R
1998 Nissan 240 SX SE
2003 Nissan Skyline V35
1994 Nissan Fairlady Twin Turbo
2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V Spec II
2003 Nissan JGTC #3 Hasemi Motorsport Z33 350Z
2003 Nissan Fairlady
2003 Nissan JGTC #12 Team Impul Skyline
1998 Nissan Silvia (S14)
2003 Nissan JGTC #23 NISMO Skyline
1995 Nissan Mine's Skyline R32 GT-R
2002 Nissan Tommy Kaira Skyline GT-R R34
2003 Opel Performance Center #5 Team Phoenix Nürburgring 24 Astra V8
2004 Opel Speedster Turbo
2003 Opel Performance Center #6 Team Phoenix Nüurburgring 24 Astra V8
1999 Pagani Zonda C12
2003 Pagani #17 Carsport America GR
2002 Panoz #10 JML Team Panoz LMP01 EPP
2001 Panoz Esperante GTL
2004 Peugeot 206 Gti 180
2004 Pontiac GTO
1968 Pontiac GTO Hardtop
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS
1986 Porsche 959
2003 Porsche 911 GT3
2003 Porsche Carrera GT
1998 Porsche #26 911 GT1 Le Mans
1956 Porsche 550 A Spyder
1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
1989 Porsche 944 Turbo
1987 Porsche #17 962 C
1995 Porsche 911 GT2
2003 Porsche Boxster S
2003 Porsche 3R-Racing 911 GT3 Cup Driven by Mike Fitzgerald
2000 Porsche #23 Alex Job Racing 911GT3-RS
2003 Renault Sport Clio V6 RS
2002 Saab 9-3 Viggen
2004 Saleen S7
2000 Saleen Mustang S281
2000 Saleen #2 Konrad Motorsport S7R
2005 SEAT Cupra GT Racer
1999 Shelby Series 1
1968 Shelby Mustang GT-500KR
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi
1999 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS Coupe
2003 Subaru JGTC #77 Cusco Racing Impreza
1998 Subaru Tommy Kaira Impreza M20b 2002
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi Spec-C (Japan) Forza Edition
1998 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo
2003 Toyota Celica GT-S
1985 Toyota AE86 Sprinter Trueno GT Apex
1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo T-Bar
1999 Toyota #27 GT-ONE TS020
2004 Toyota Camry Solara
1969 Toyota 2000GT
2002 Toyota MR2 Spyder
1992 Toyota Supra Turbo
2004 Toyota Altezza RS200
2003 Toyota Celica 1800 VVT-i
2002 Toyota MR-S
2002 Toyota Tom's Z382 Soarer
2002 Toyota Soarer 430SCV
1995 Toyota Tom's T020 MR2
2002 Toyota Tom's W123 MR-S
2003 Toyota JGTC #36 Team TOMS Supra
2003 Toyota JGTC #1 Toyota Team Le Mans Supra
1998 Toyota AB Flug Supra Turbo S900
2003 Toyota APR Performance Celica GTS
1998 Toyota VeilSide Supra Fortune 03
1998 Toyota VeilSide Supra Fortune 99
1995 Toyota Border MR2 Turbo T-bar
1995 Toyota VIS Racing MR2 Turbo T-Bar
2003 Toyota JGTC # 35 Kraft Supra
2001 TVR Tuscan S
1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12
2001 TVR Tuscan R
2004 Vauxhall VX220 Turbo
2003 Volkswagen Golf R32
1995 Volkswagen Corrado SLC
2004 Volkswagen New Beetle 1.8T Turbo S
2003 Volkswagen Jetta GLX VR6
2004 Volvo S60 R
2004 Volvo #24 At-Speed Motorsports S60 R Driven

Looking at April at the moment with horrible rumours of a further slip.

I'll be picking this up for sure. Anyone know a rough release date?

Only reason I'd buy Forza would be to get a Mini Cooper, kit it out with a crazy body kit and the biggest engine I could find. Then paint swear words on the side of it, take it online and drive it into everyones high performance cars at high speeds.

Driving games of this type intrest me very little.

Notorious Biggles wrote:
> What I meant about frame rate was that the GT4 screen shots look like
> they've run at a high detail and low frame rate to take screenshots.

Most of the screenshots are taken from by the mags/websites themselves, who would not have the ability to adjust resolution or frame-rate.

I suggest you check out some of the videos on various websites, or maybe even try playing GT4 Prologue in a shop to see just how smooth and fast it is.

There are a lot of screenshots which are taken using the game's 'photo' mode, which does generate hi-res screens which can be exported to PC. These are usually easily distinguishable from 'real' screenshots, though, simply because they feature cars which are parked and not in race situations.


> 10 second penalty if you scrape another car?

You obviously haven't played Prologue. Scraping a car didn't earn a penalty, you had to hit it with some force. You could still lean on them round the corners without penalty. Yes, it was annoying, but it has been removed from the full game, for exactly that reason.


> GT3 did run at 60 fps, which almost made up for edges so jagged you
> could cut yourself on them.

Jagged? Err... yeah, right. One of the smoothest games on the machine, and better than anything previous on any platform.


> The Forza screens that I've seen have matched GT4 screens, but the
> difference is I know the Xbox can actually produce those sorts of
> visuals in game.

You mean like the missing textures and pop-up in the Halo 2 cutscenes?

What did everyone think of the OXM demo?

I have to say, GT4's looking a lot more appealing to me than Forza. As long as it doesn't end up like Concept or GT3 then it should be fantastic, although it'll have to do quite a lot to end up better than PGR2.

I may try Forza if I have soem spare cash, but at the moment I can't say it's looking at all special.

What I meant about frame rate was that the GT4 screen shots look like they've run at a high detail and low frame rate to take screenshots. It's happened before. It's also the only way the PS2 could produce as nice visuals as the GT4 screenshots suggest. Killzone looked great in the screens - it suffered from all sorts of issues in real life though. The GT4 screen shots look substantially better than Prologue, which was just stupid. 10 second penalty if you scrape another car? They managed to extract the fun from that.

GT3 did run at 60 fps, which almost made up for edges so jagged you could cut yourself on them. And we'll not even talk about the lack of focus.

The Forza screens that I've seen have matched GT4 screens, but the difference is I know the Xbox can actually produce those sorts of visuals in game. RalliSport Challenge 2 is a prime example.

As for the cars, well the last list I saw had Forza down as having more. Clearly it isn't now, although if you take out the different variations of the Honda Civic then I believe it probably would... Still, I know from experience from GT in the past that there are a bunch of rank cars that nobody will ever buy. Just no point.

Online play however is the clincher for me, so it is a big deal.

However, I'll give GT4 a go, it is one of the only games left on the PS2 that I'm interested in. I just think Forza will be better.

Both pale into insignificance compared to seeing Bizarre Creations advertise for car modellers on their website. Which I recon means PGR3 is in the works. And that's the best news this year so far.

This game is really good, but the graphics were no where near as good as the mags were making out + with there pics. I wish they would not do that. Anyway cannot wait cause I really want a new racing game.

ßulle†† wrote:
> sPiKeCaSt wrote:
> I've still yet to grab Forza, but if it's got the depth and it's as
> challenging as PGR2 was I'll probably grab it.
>
> You've still yet to grab it because it ain't out yet :P

Sorry I meant the demo, oops.

Notorious Biggles wrote:
> GT4 looks better? You are having a laugh aren't you?

Erm... no.


> Expect the real, in game shots to look substantially worse once
> they increase the frame rate to a level that doesn't bring on strokes.

Frame rate has never been a problem in GT, so I don't know what you're on about there. Even GT3 ran at 60fps. GT4 Prologue shows that the game is clearer and better defined than ever before. Forza is locked at 30fps from what I've read today - but a stable 30fps is perfectly adequate.


> More cars, check.

More cars? Again, no. [URL]http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550814p1.html[/URL] And that list is incomplete. 650 or so is the estimate - 700 mentioned elsewhere. Some repetition and varioation, sure - but still infinitely more than in Forza.


> More tracks, check.

Marginally. But it depends on how you look at it. According to this list - [URL]http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media/1102048957.html[/URL] - there are 75. But look at how many are parts of the same or reverse tracks. Take them out and you're down to 27.

GT4 - [URL]http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43917[/URL] - has at least 50, or 34 excluding variations.



> Online play, check.

I'll give you that one. A shame they took it out of GT4, but for me personally, not an issue.


> More tweakable, check.

Having played neither, I can't say. However, the tweaking availabe in the GT series has always been more than enough for me.


> Doesn't have stupidly long one hundred lap races, check.

Now that's just a matter of perference, and as such, irrelevant. It's a simulation, and real races don't last 4 or 5 laps. Personally, I dislike the PGR games for a similar reason - too many cones, not enough races. But as I said, that's opinion and not relevant.


> So that concludes reasons why Forza Motorsport > Gran Turismo 4 part one.

Didn't quite work out that, did it?

Still, as I said in an earlier post, Forza is looking quite tasty, and I'll be keeping an eye on it. I believe GT4 will be my favourite, but there's no reason I can't - or shouldn't - get both.