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Sun 18/07/04 at 01:36
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"Led Zeppelin"
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A topic that I would like to share with you all.

I think of human beings as the one animal on earth that has the power of mind to imagine all sorts of unreality that can still seem real simply by virtue of imagined image. We can imagine that we have souls, that stones have souls, that there are supernatural beings that control various aspects of our lives, that the positions of stars have an affect on us, that dead people come back to life, that the ghosts of the dead visit us with messages from the underworld, that our dreams tell the future, and much more. Not only are we able to imagine these things, we give them credence and spend significant amounts of time dealing with them. We need to placate the spirit in the rock, or somehow get the god in the clouds to make the rain fall.
Everyone of the above I would call a superstition. Happily, most of these superstitions do not get real respect in our society. However, there are some really big superstitions that get developed into a well thought out system that attempts to explain everything that exists. Most of the worlds great religions fall in this category. These superstitions get a lot of respect.
Christianity, one of the more widely accepted of these, recognizes that at rock bottom there is no reason to believe in the whole construct, so as one means of trying to lend added respectability, they have the concept of Faith. Saying that one has faith is a sort of high toned way of saying one believes in things that he/she otherwise would find incredible. The writer of the book of Hebrews defined faith as "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence things not seen." It's a nearly perfect definition. The things hoped for have no substance and there is no evidence except belief. Definitions of faith are a sort of verbal slight of hand thought up to disguise the truth that religion is superstition.
So the main difference between religion and superstition is just several layers of sophisticated verbiage.
I might add that it is this same power of imagination that is responsible for most of the glory of humankind; yes, and the despair, too.

also:
The difference between Christianity and Astrology: They are both superstitions; however, Christianity is by far the more sophisticated. In its most modern manifestations it manages to drape itself in the mantle of science and such philosophical concepts as seem appropriate to the purpose. It offers a comprehensive explanation of all that exists. To its credit it tends to discredit Astrology. At worst, it will admit the powers of astrologers, but attribute those powers to Satan, yet another superstition.
Astrology is much more limited


Jdwelsh..
Wed 21/07/04 at 11:07
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And there I was expecting a well reasoned arguement.

What we get is 'Astrology...it's a superstition, like Christianity...I can prove this because I say so...'

Whether you believe that religion (and isn't it lovely to have all religion bundled in to one hefty arguement?) is 'real' or not, this has to be one of the dumbest posts of the whole debate so far.

Douglas Adams does Athiest so much better than anyone else, try reading his stuff for some ideas.
Tue 20/07/04 at 21:51
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"Led Zeppelin"
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hell o
Mon 19/07/04 at 10:42
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"Led Zeppelin"
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"Too late" I can't change it....
Sun 18/07/04 at 23:13
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"gsybe you!"
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Well, a title such as 'Astrology vs Superstition' does not incite much confidence.
Sun 18/07/04 at 20:45
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"Led Zeppelin"
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no replies *shock*
Sun 18/07/04 at 01:36
Regular
"Led Zeppelin"
Posts: 3,214
A topic that I would like to share with you all.

I think of human beings as the one animal on earth that has the power of mind to imagine all sorts of unreality that can still seem real simply by virtue of imagined image. We can imagine that we have souls, that stones have souls, that there are supernatural beings that control various aspects of our lives, that the positions of stars have an affect on us, that dead people come back to life, that the ghosts of the dead visit us with messages from the underworld, that our dreams tell the future, and much more. Not only are we able to imagine these things, we give them credence and spend significant amounts of time dealing with them. We need to placate the spirit in the rock, or somehow get the god in the clouds to make the rain fall.
Everyone of the above I would call a superstition. Happily, most of these superstitions do not get real respect in our society. However, there are some really big superstitions that get developed into a well thought out system that attempts to explain everything that exists. Most of the worlds great religions fall in this category. These superstitions get a lot of respect.
Christianity, one of the more widely accepted of these, recognizes that at rock bottom there is no reason to believe in the whole construct, so as one means of trying to lend added respectability, they have the concept of Faith. Saying that one has faith is a sort of high toned way of saying one believes in things that he/she otherwise would find incredible. The writer of the book of Hebrews defined faith as "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence things not seen." It's a nearly perfect definition. The things hoped for have no substance and there is no evidence except belief. Definitions of faith are a sort of verbal slight of hand thought up to disguise the truth that religion is superstition.
So the main difference between religion and superstition is just several layers of sophisticated verbiage.
I might add that it is this same power of imagination that is responsible for most of the glory of humankind; yes, and the despair, too.

also:
The difference between Christianity and Astrology: They are both superstitions; however, Christianity is by far the more sophisticated. In its most modern manifestations it manages to drape itself in the mantle of science and such philosophical concepts as seem appropriate to the purpose. It offers a comprehensive explanation of all that exists. To its credit it tends to discredit Astrology. At worst, it will admit the powers of astrologers, but attribute those powers to Satan, yet another superstition.
Astrology is much more limited


Jdwelsh..

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