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Tue 15/06/04 at 21:49
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Well, apart from hitting it into Sven Goran Erikson’s head that having James in goal and bringing Heskey on won’t win you matches, there are a couple of reasons England should fare better in the competition.

First of all, if we finish runners up in our group, our route through the tournament changes for the better. Considering the other groups and common sense, we shall now avoid teams like Italy, Germany, Holland and Latvia ;) The two toughest games we can go against before the final is against Spain and Sweden, both being very winnable games.

Second of all is how the match dates change. Again, finishing runner up in the group will schedule us for the first quarter final match on the 24th june. If we won this, our next match wouldn’t take place until the 30th june, 6 days later. Bearing in mind the stage of the tournment, these 6 days rest could actually make or break teams, and with the current run of injurys, these 6 days are very important to England.

Finally, we have the superstition reason. Records show that England fare well in tournaments when they lose their first group stage match. That’s why I’m pretty confident England “could” get to the final, although actually winning the tournment is a different thing altogether.
Tue 15/06/04 at 21:49
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Well, apart from hitting it into Sven Goran Erikson’s head that having James in goal and bringing Heskey on won’t win you matches, there are a couple of reasons England should fare better in the competition.

First of all, if we finish runners up in our group, our route through the tournament changes for the better. Considering the other groups and common sense, we shall now avoid teams like Italy, Germany, Holland and Latvia ;) The two toughest games we can go against before the final is against Spain and Sweden, both being very winnable games.

Second of all is how the match dates change. Again, finishing runner up in the group will schedule us for the first quarter final match on the 24th june. If we won this, our next match wouldn’t take place until the 30th june, 6 days later. Bearing in mind the stage of the tournment, these 6 days rest could actually make or break teams, and with the current run of injurys, these 6 days are very important to England.

Finally, we have the superstition reason. Records show that England fare well in tournaments when they lose their first group stage match. That’s why I’m pretty confident England “could” get to the final, although actually winning the tournment is a different thing altogether.
Tue 15/06/04 at 22:42
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Manda†are wrote:
> First of all, if we finish runners up in our group, our route through
> the tournament changes for the better. Considering the other groups
> and common sense, we shall now avoid teams like Italy, Germany,
> Holland and Latvia ;) The two toughest games we can go against before
> the final is against Spain and Sweden, both being very winnable
> games.

Well if we get through, as you say, I'd expect or next game to be against Spain. As you say, winnable, but to be honest after watching all of the teams on show I'd rather have Germany or Holland, both were pretty poor. Italy weren't greatly impressive either. I think it's purely down to winning our next two games, if we do that, the sky's the limit (well, its France really).

> Finally, we have the superstition reason. Records show that England
> fare well in tournaments when they lose their first group stage
> match. That’s why I’m pretty confident England “could” get to
> the final, although actually winning the tournment is a different
> thing altogether.

They are purely statistical, and everyone knows stats smell. Besides, we normally fail in our first game, we haven't won a first game in the new Euro setup ever, so its hardly surprising. Then, as you say, there is France beckoning us (I expect).
Tue 15/06/04 at 22:50
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I think this loss is acually a good thing.
Tue 15/06/04 at 22:51
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It is not a good thing.

However the team can look at it and say that even though they didn't play well they still led for 90-minutes.

Then they can also look at it and say they lost it in 3.
Tue 15/06/04 at 22:52
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cRaCkHeAd wrote:
> I think this loss is acually a good thing.

Eej.
Tue 15/06/04 at 23:49
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I shall laugh myself silly at this thread if England dont get the results in thier next two games.
Wed 16/06/04 at 09:25
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your a nerd
Wed 16/06/04 at 09:25
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we will definatly win the next 2 games
Wed 16/06/04 at 10:08
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English_Bloke wrote:
> It is not a good thing.
>
> However the team can look at it and say that even though they didn't
> play well they still led for 90-minutes.
>

Led for about 50 minutes actually.

Winning would obviously have been better, but they played well.
Wed 16/06/04 at 16:01
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Spain V Greece!!!

What channel is it on, I cant find it and I dont have Sky Sports!

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