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Sun 30/05/04 at 20:27
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Today at work in the aquarium was quite different to other days.

Well, It was sunny people were smiling and the small hairy man that usually pesters me is away on holiday so instead my boss' friend Kevin came to replace him for a few days

Now Kevin is epileptic.

He had been fine for the last four weeks and not suprisingly he was happy and maybe thought that it had healed over as he had no problems but today, he had already explained how he was having a tell tale headache and feeling tingly in his head.

A couple of times in conversation he had suddenly stopped breathes awkwardly and continued now these in ways are 'petit mal seizures' as the books say. They are just a lack of concentration and distraction in brain - these are often tell tale signs of an attack

We was behind the counter and kevin was serving someone when suddenly and most violently he started to spasm and go into a seizure he turned and fell - luckily me and a colleague caught him before he slammed his head on the till.

He was laying on the floor shaking and spasming because his sensory perception and muscles were now beyond his control.

Now, This is a very very scary thing to see. A man or woman - sometimes a child be giggling one minute then turn and shake rapidly falling to the floor. Now this can be paired with a horrible noise, foaming of the mouth and his mouth chattering rapidly as if he will bite off his/her own tongue.

My Dad has epilepsy though (thank god) I have never seen him have an attack before - I do know what to do and have known since I was three. So scary as it was I did have some knowledge and took the situation under control as my friends at work had actually gone into a state of shock.

A random chinese lady was driving me insane ignoring my every word as she thought she was some medical genius and if you know anything about epilepsy you know not to put anything in his/her mouth or touch there face - you give them space to come around and sort other things out.

Anyway - This is really good for future notice as no doubt one day in your life you will NEED to know this. Instead of freezing up and staring in shock I hope you can remember some information and help someone the best you can as epileptic fits can be dangerous, scary and in some rare cases fatal.

OK -

1 Place the person into the recovery position
2 Move any furniture or objects out of his/her that could cause harm to the person in fall or during the seizure
3 Ring the Emergency services straight away and give any details and symptoms you know as the person will guide you through how to help
4 Protect the person from injury. Do not attempt to force a hard object like a spoon between the teeth, because you can cause more damage than what you are trying to prevent!
5 Do not restrain or hold the person down during their seizure
6 Protect from inhalation of vomit or mucus by turning the person onto the side and if possible keep the head down.
6 Turn the person on to his side while he or she sleeps after the seizure is over.
7 If the person having seizures turns blue or stops breathing, turn him or her to the side to keep the airway or mouth open and prevent the tongue from obstructing the airway.

Also try to give medical assistance to the persons injury's after a seizure, The fall and spasms can often lead to bad cuts and bruising to body and cheeks/tongue.


And just the last bit

Do's and Dont's for the onlooker
1.Don't try to stop the fit.
2.Don't move the patient.
3.Don't force anything into the mouth during a seizure.
4.Do allow enough air circulation.
5.Turn the patient to his/her side to prevent swallowing the vomit.
6.Note the movements and changes to report to the doctor.
7.Call the doctor if the convulsion lasts longer.
Keep a positive outlook


I hope you have stuck this out and taken in some of the things. Just please *from dad* do not touch a persons face and be too overpowering during a persons fit because space can help them more and they need space to breath.

Lil Ginge xxx
Mon 31/05/04 at 20:27
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Ant wrote:
> Nice seein ya at the aquarium today Ginge. :P
>
> Looked like you were dealin with a troublesome fish, hehe.

Yes ant that was a OSCAR did you see the thing it was bigger than me i was suprised when i saw that spikey hair through the guppy tank - ooo ant!

YAY!

But it had teeth that thing, usually id get it by hands but thought the crazy owner can do this big bugggger
Mon 31/05/04 at 17:21
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Reminds me of my Red Cross training when I was on the YTS.

Yes, I was a YTS student. Well, someone had to be.


(and if you don't remember YTS, ask your parents)
Mon 31/05/04 at 13:58
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Great thread Ginge :^)

SHEEPY wrote:
> Now just got to remember what the recovery position is again.

Heh, me too. I used to do it every week at swimming lessons, but that was years ago...

Is it this:
Roll the person onto their side, with their lower leg straight, upper leg bent at the knee, lower arm bent at the elbow with the hand/forarm under the head, and the upper arm pointing straight up ?

Or the arms may have been the other way round... *ponders*
Sun 30/05/04 at 22:58
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Nice seein ya at the aquarium today Ginge. :P

Looked like you were dealin with a troublesome fish, hehe.
Sun 30/05/04 at 20:48
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Okay, thanks.

Now just got to remember what the recovery position is again.

Just roll them on their side
Sun 30/05/04 at 20:35
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no problemo grixo
Sun 30/05/04 at 20:33
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Will remember that, thank you
Sun 30/05/04 at 20:27
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"Light of the world"
Posts: 4,763
Today at work in the aquarium was quite different to other days.

Well, It was sunny people were smiling and the small hairy man that usually pesters me is away on holiday so instead my boss' friend Kevin came to replace him for a few days

Now Kevin is epileptic.

He had been fine for the last four weeks and not suprisingly he was happy and maybe thought that it had healed over as he had no problems but today, he had already explained how he was having a tell tale headache and feeling tingly in his head.

A couple of times in conversation he had suddenly stopped breathes awkwardly and continued now these in ways are 'petit mal seizures' as the books say. They are just a lack of concentration and distraction in brain - these are often tell tale signs of an attack

We was behind the counter and kevin was serving someone when suddenly and most violently he started to spasm and go into a seizure he turned and fell - luckily me and a colleague caught him before he slammed his head on the till.

He was laying on the floor shaking and spasming because his sensory perception and muscles were now beyond his control.

Now, This is a very very scary thing to see. A man or woman - sometimes a child be giggling one minute then turn and shake rapidly falling to the floor. Now this can be paired with a horrible noise, foaming of the mouth and his mouth chattering rapidly as if he will bite off his/her own tongue.

My Dad has epilepsy though (thank god) I have never seen him have an attack before - I do know what to do and have known since I was three. So scary as it was I did have some knowledge and took the situation under control as my friends at work had actually gone into a state of shock.

A random chinese lady was driving me insane ignoring my every word as she thought she was some medical genius and if you know anything about epilepsy you know not to put anything in his/her mouth or touch there face - you give them space to come around and sort other things out.

Anyway - This is really good for future notice as no doubt one day in your life you will NEED to know this. Instead of freezing up and staring in shock I hope you can remember some information and help someone the best you can as epileptic fits can be dangerous, scary and in some rare cases fatal.

OK -

1 Place the person into the recovery position
2 Move any furniture or objects out of his/her that could cause harm to the person in fall or during the seizure
3 Ring the Emergency services straight away and give any details and symptoms you know as the person will guide you through how to help
4 Protect the person from injury. Do not attempt to force a hard object like a spoon between the teeth, because you can cause more damage than what you are trying to prevent!
5 Do not restrain or hold the person down during their seizure
6 Protect from inhalation of vomit or mucus by turning the person onto the side and if possible keep the head down.
6 Turn the person on to his side while he or she sleeps after the seizure is over.
7 If the person having seizures turns blue or stops breathing, turn him or her to the side to keep the airway or mouth open and prevent the tongue from obstructing the airway.

Also try to give medical assistance to the persons injury's after a seizure, The fall and spasms can often lead to bad cuts and bruising to body and cheeks/tongue.


And just the last bit

Do's and Dont's for the onlooker
1.Don't try to stop the fit.
2.Don't move the patient.
3.Don't force anything into the mouth during a seizure.
4.Do allow enough air circulation.
5.Turn the patient to his/her side to prevent swallowing the vomit.
6.Note the movements and changes to report to the doctor.
7.Call the doctor if the convulsion lasts longer.
Keep a positive outlook


I hope you have stuck this out and taken in some of the things. Just please *from dad* do not touch a persons face and be too overpowering during a persons fit because space can help them more and they need space to breath.

Lil Ginge xxx

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