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Yes, yes, another thread aimed at showing our resident troll, Forest Fan, just what a numpty he is.
What makes someone follow an idea so closely, even if their belief system is based on propaganda and deception? It's a weird one, how us Humans, with all our free will and the ability to do endless things with our lives, allow that to be controlled by one central body. As members of a society, many of our activities are controlled by the Government. But this is mainly to stop us comitting crimes. Most of the time it's common sense what to do, and what not to do. Don't eat poison for instance - that would be bad.
For hundreds of years the nation has been run not only by political groups, but also by organised religion. I can remember being young and being told that I was 'Church of England', which was odd, as I was never baptised, and didn't attend Church at all. And now, with all the free will an adult gets, I can see what a waste of time it would have been to be a regular church-goer. Not that I have a problem with people that go to churches, that doesn't affect me in the slightest. My beef is with the way we are lied to through tradition.
That's the only way I can explain why I grew up thinking I had some kind of religious attachment. My parents were baptised, and their parents were, but for what reason? They never went to church, and Jesus is the last thing on their minds. It was just done because it was tradition. But by being baptised, they are accepting religion into their lives, and are therefore susceptible to anyone with a religious stance - afterall, it is tradition. And that's where the line gets muddled.
We're lucky nowadays that the more extreme branches of religious conformity only exist in small pockets in this country. Other areas of the world have governments that base most of their decisions on religious indifference, and we see how war torn these countries are. To us, allowing our everyday actions to be affected by some magical, invisible, all-seeing power seems laughable. We can have faith, which is a good thing, but allowing something we can't see or feel to have a hold over what we do is a ridiculous idea.
Which brings me to my point - at what point do you start having belief in religion? Is it from when you are born? Do you have to have an epiphany, or do you accept it as part of you when you can understand it? No-one is born a Christian. They can be born into a Christian family, but to be a member of a religion, you have to fully understand and be able to follow it's laws - otherwise, what's the point? But when that baby grows into a child, and then into a teenager, under the assumption that their family's way of life is "the norm", well, I call that brainwashing. A pretty strong term, I agree, but as far as I can see, it's on a par with re-education. Taking an innocent mind and convincing it that this one way is the only way, smacks of Nazi-era deception and lies.
What makes someone follow an idea so closely, even if their belief system is based on propaganda and deception? It's a weird one, how us Humans, with all our free will and the ability to do endless things with our lives, allow that to be controlled by one central body. As members of a society, many of our activities are controlled by the Government. But this is mainly to stop us comitting crimes. Most of the time it's common sense what to do, and what not to do. Don't eat poison for instance - that would be bad.
For hundreds of years the nation has been run not only by political groups, but also by organised religion. I can remember being young and being told that I was 'Church of England', which was odd, as I was never baptised, and didn't attend Church at all. And now, with all the free will an adult gets, I can see what a waste of time it would have been to be a regular church-goer. Not that I have a problem with people that go to churches, that doesn't affect me in the slightest. My beef is with the way we are lied to through tradition.
That's the only way I can explain why I grew up thinking I had some kind of religious attachment. My parents were baptised, and their parents were, but for what reason? They never went to church, and Jesus is the last thing on their minds. It was just done because it was tradition. But by being baptised, they are accepting religion into their lives, and are therefore susceptible to anyone with a religious stance - afterall, it is tradition. And that's where the line gets muddled.
We're lucky nowadays that the more extreme branches of religious conformity only exist in small pockets in this country. Other areas of the world have governments that base most of their decisions on religious indifference, and we see how war torn these countries are. To us, allowing our everyday actions to be affected by some magical, invisible, all-seeing power seems laughable. We can have faith, which is a good thing, but allowing something we can't see or feel to have a hold over what we do is a ridiculous idea.
Which brings me to my point - at what point do you start having belief in religion? Is it from when you are born? Do you have to have an epiphany, or do you accept it as part of you when you can understand it? No-one is born a Christian. They can be born into a Christian family, but to be a member of a religion, you have to fully understand and be able to follow it's laws - otherwise, what's the point? But when that baby grows into a child, and then into a teenager, under the assumption that their family's way of life is "the norm", well, I call that brainwashing. A pretty strong term, I agree, but as far as I can see, it's on a par with re-education. Taking an innocent mind and convincing it that this one way is the only way, smacks of Nazi-era deception and lies.
Religion sucks.
Computers, music, films, chocolate, alcohol, coffee, fried bread and women don't suck.
Well, some women do ...
I was raised as a protestant until i was old enough to shun religion as well. As you said, it seems that families baptise their children and whatnot more down to tradition than to actual belief. Which does indeed sound silly, probably because the parents will feel pressured into doing it so that they arent labelled bad parents.
Yes, yes, another thread aimed at showing our resident troll, Forest Fan, just what a numpty he is.
What makes someone follow an idea so closely, even if their belief system is based on propaganda and deception? It's a weird one, how us Humans, with all our free will and the ability to do endless things with our lives, allow that to be controlled by one central body. As members of a society, many of our activities are controlled by the Government. But this is mainly to stop us comitting crimes. Most of the time it's common sense what to do, and what not to do. Don't eat poison for instance - that would be bad.
For hundreds of years the nation has been run not only by political groups, but also by organised religion. I can remember being young and being told that I was 'Church of England', which was odd, as I was never baptised, and didn't attend Church at all. And now, with all the free will an adult gets, I can see what a waste of time it would have been to be a regular church-goer. Not that I have a problem with people that go to churches, that doesn't affect me in the slightest. My beef is with the way we are lied to through tradition.
That's the only way I can explain why I grew up thinking I had some kind of religious attachment. My parents were baptised, and their parents were, but for what reason? They never went to church, and Jesus is the last thing on their minds. It was just done because it was tradition. But by being baptised, they are accepting religion into their lives, and are therefore susceptible to anyone with a religious stance - afterall, it is tradition. And that's where the line gets muddled.
We're lucky nowadays that the more extreme branches of religious conformity only exist in small pockets in this country. Other areas of the world have governments that base most of their decisions on religious indifference, and we see how war torn these countries are. To us, allowing our everyday actions to be affected by some magical, invisible, all-seeing power seems laughable. We can have faith, which is a good thing, but allowing something we can't see or feel to have a hold over what we do is a ridiculous idea.
Which brings me to my point - at what point do you start having belief in religion? Is it from when you are born? Do you have to have an epiphany, or do you accept it as part of you when you can understand it? No-one is born a Christian. They can be born into a Christian family, but to be a member of a religion, you have to fully understand and be able to follow it's laws - otherwise, what's the point? But when that baby grows into a child, and then into a teenager, under the assumption that their family's way of life is "the norm", well, I call that brainwashing. A pretty strong term, I agree, but as far as I can see, it's on a par with re-education. Taking an innocent mind and convincing it that this one way is the only way, smacks of Nazi-era deception and lies.
What makes someone follow an idea so closely, even if their belief system is based on propaganda and deception? It's a weird one, how us Humans, with all our free will and the ability to do endless things with our lives, allow that to be controlled by one central body. As members of a society, many of our activities are controlled by the Government. But this is mainly to stop us comitting crimes. Most of the time it's common sense what to do, and what not to do. Don't eat poison for instance - that would be bad.
For hundreds of years the nation has been run not only by political groups, but also by organised religion. I can remember being young and being told that I was 'Church of England', which was odd, as I was never baptised, and didn't attend Church at all. And now, with all the free will an adult gets, I can see what a waste of time it would have been to be a regular church-goer. Not that I have a problem with people that go to churches, that doesn't affect me in the slightest. My beef is with the way we are lied to through tradition.
That's the only way I can explain why I grew up thinking I had some kind of religious attachment. My parents were baptised, and their parents were, but for what reason? They never went to church, and Jesus is the last thing on their minds. It was just done because it was tradition. But by being baptised, they are accepting religion into their lives, and are therefore susceptible to anyone with a religious stance - afterall, it is tradition. And that's where the line gets muddled.
We're lucky nowadays that the more extreme branches of religious conformity only exist in small pockets in this country. Other areas of the world have governments that base most of their decisions on religious indifference, and we see how war torn these countries are. To us, allowing our everyday actions to be affected by some magical, invisible, all-seeing power seems laughable. We can have faith, which is a good thing, but allowing something we can't see or feel to have a hold over what we do is a ridiculous idea.
Which brings me to my point - at what point do you start having belief in religion? Is it from when you are born? Do you have to have an epiphany, or do you accept it as part of you when you can understand it? No-one is born a Christian. They can be born into a Christian family, but to be a member of a religion, you have to fully understand and be able to follow it's laws - otherwise, what's the point? But when that baby grows into a child, and then into a teenager, under the assumption that their family's way of life is "the norm", well, I call that brainwashing. A pretty strong term, I agree, but as far as I can see, it's on a par with re-education. Taking an innocent mind and convincing it that this one way is the only way, smacks of Nazi-era deception and lies.