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I have been thinking about this for a long time now and I really think it would work but it would completely change the world. If everything was free.
It may he hard to get your head round it at first, but just think how good our lives would be if we didnt have to pay for anything...
... Thought about it? well I'll start with food, becuase it was in a supermarket when I thought of it...
In the world where everything was free.
You go shopping for food, and you can take whatever you want, and how much you want of everything. But we have the problem of supermarkets running out of food, so they have rules like you cant take more than 20 loafs of bread and things like that. But you then think how will the supermarkets buy the food to keep it in stock? That is the first hurdle mankind would have to overcome. You dont have to buy anything! nothing costs money. Ah but if you buy a tin of tomato soup. first the tin needs to be mined and that's expensive, no it isnt because the machinary and work force is free, it costs no money. So we have free tin, it then goes to factories and the electricity for the factory and the work force and the building was free so no money needed there and we have tins for the soup.
Now there isnt any money needed for fertiliser and seeds so our ingrediants for the soup is free. So the entire food is free, no costs. You can build your own house, because it wont cost you to have it as lavish as possible.
You see If everything was free, then our lives would be a whole lot better, you would have to have a job to take (mustn't use that work buy) things from shops, and there's your only problem solved.
Just think about it and it will all make sense!
Seeya
It may he hard to get your head round it at first, but just think how good our lives would be if we didnt have to pay for anything...
... Thought about it? well I'll start with food, becuase it was in a supermarket when I thought of it...
In the world where everything was free.
You go shopping for food, and you can take whatever you want, and how much you want of everything. But we have the problem of supermarkets running out of food, so they have rules like you cant take more than 20 loafs of bread and things like that. But you then think how will the supermarkets buy the food to keep it in stock? That is the first hurdle mankind would have to overcome. You dont have to buy anything! nothing costs money. Ah but if you buy a tin of tomato soup. first the tin needs to be mined and that's expensive, no it isnt because the machinary and work force is free, it costs no money. So we have free tin, it then goes to factories and the electricity for the factory and the work force and the building was free so no money needed there and we have tins for the soup.
Now there isnt any money needed for fertiliser and seeds so our ingrediants for the soup is free. So the entire food is free, no costs. You can build your own house, because it wont cost you to have it as lavish as possible.
You see If everything was free, then our lives would be a whole lot better, you would have to have a job to take (mustn't use that work buy) things from shops, and there's your only problem solved.
Just think about it and it will all make sense!
Seeya
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Armitage Shanks wrote:
> The Godfather wrote:
> Thinking about it. Why are we so greedy?
> Simple. The media. You buy
> a newspaper and 50% of it are
> adverts.
Although... I suspect there was greed before the
> printing press?
Media, what is it? Medium, communication. No I'm not saying nthat by talking we are greedy or anything as obsurd I'm asying thatwhen people talk to you saying 'Oh like my hand bag' or 'oh I got this new...'. Naturally you'll want one.
> The Godfather wrote:
> Thinking about it. Why are we so greedy?
> Simple. The media. You buy
> a newspaper and 50% of it are
> adverts.
Although... I suspect there was greed before the
> printing press?
Media, what is it? Medium, communication. No I'm not saying nthat by talking we are greedy or anything as obsurd I'm asying thatwhen people talk to you saying 'Oh like my hand bag' or 'oh I got this new...'. Naturally you'll want one.
If everything was free then there would be no incentive to produce as no one would want to work as there was no money needed and then there would be no free stuff to have as it won't have been produced. Would a farmer go ot andgrow the wheat for the bread for noothing out of the kindness of his heart. A few maybe but most wouldn't.
The Godfather wrote:
> Thinking about it. Why are we so greedy? Simple. The media. You buy
> a newspaper and 50% of it are adverts.
Although... I suspect there was greed before the printing press?
> Thinking about it. Why are we so greedy? Simple. The media. You buy
> a newspaper and 50% of it are adverts.
Although... I suspect there was greed before the printing press?
Thinking about it. Why are we so greedy? Simple. The media. You buy a newspaper and 50% of it are adverts.
Wow, 'the new Nike Flash Razmataz golden super light super durable trainer available only in selected store'
In other words, you better buy it! Most of us wouldn't fall suckers of that kind of advert but on way or the other whatever class, whoever you 'hang' with you'll fall for something. Look at the David Gray advert, the album was at number 16, a week into the new advert it bounces back to the top ten.
Call yourself alternative, you still fall for whatever is in fashion with you peers. It painful to recognise this within yourself but it's true. Everyone likes to think of themselves as a nutral but rarely are we. Subconsiousely you'll fall through the media.
If the country is to follow the communist theory strict rules and regulations would have to be placed. Stronger than Sweden.
Wow, 'the new Nike Flash Razmataz golden super light super durable trainer available only in selected store'
In other words, you better buy it! Most of us wouldn't fall suckers of that kind of advert but on way or the other whatever class, whoever you 'hang' with you'll fall for something. Look at the David Gray advert, the album was at number 16, a week into the new advert it bounces back to the top ten.
Call yourself alternative, you still fall for whatever is in fashion with you peers. It painful to recognise this within yourself but it's true. Everyone likes to think of themselves as a nutral but rarely are we. Subconsiousely you'll fall through the media.
If the country is to follow the communist theory strict rules and regulations would have to be placed. Stronger than Sweden.
cooldogs wrote:
> The Godfather wrote:
But look at China, in 2020, it's been
> predicted that China
> will have a greater economy than the US.
> Oh that should scare the >Yank.
Where'd you read that?
I reada it a couple a days ago somewhere. i can't remember where but it's true. People I've talked to agree as well.
Ah I remember it was an artical for the China Olympics (How do you spell Beigjing... Damn!)
Think about it anyway, China is massive and although it's a bit late in bouncing up the world ladder it's now modernising and the fact that the Olympics are being held there supports this. Also think about all the stuff made there. TV's computers etc, they may pay the infacts peanuts but still the Economy is booming. Plus by 2020 Cuba will have a stronger economy if Mr Dubbya Bush continues to run the Staes. How stupid can that man be. Go to Google and type in George Bush Quote, then laugh.
Here's a teaser... 'Most of our inports come from abroad' Ha, the fool. He really lightens up my day. Damn I need to withold the provanity.
> The Godfather wrote:
But look at China, in 2020, it's been
> predicted that China
> will have a greater economy than the US.
> Oh that should scare the >Yank.
Where'd you read that?
I reada it a couple a days ago somewhere. i can't remember where but it's true. People I've talked to agree as well.
Ah I remember it was an artical for the China Olympics (How do you spell Beigjing... Damn!)
Think about it anyway, China is massive and although it's a bit late in bouncing up the world ladder it's now modernising and the fact that the Olympics are being held there supports this. Also think about all the stuff made there. TV's computers etc, they may pay the infacts peanuts but still the Economy is booming. Plus by 2020 Cuba will have a stronger economy if Mr Dubbya Bush continues to run the Staes. How stupid can that man be. Go to Google and type in George Bush Quote, then laugh.
Here's a teaser... 'Most of our inports come from abroad' Ha, the fool. He really lightens up my day. Damn I need to withold the provanity.
The everything is Free policy can work in one of two ways.
A. Kinda like comunism where everybody is happy to work for free and just be given food and houseing and has no need for capitalist items like TV and computers.
This will never happen as we are all too gready.
B. We become so industrial that we do not need to work. In the example given at the start of this topic the only problem was man power. What if it was all done by machines. What if the machines brake down? Well you have machines to fix them and these machines can also fix themselfs.
This would be the ultimate world in which you could do what you wanted. There would be no shortage of anything. No one would want to have 20 loafs of bread as they could just pop back to the suppermarket the next day and get more food.
The only problem with this idea is that we could end up in a Matrix situation where the computers take over but the we would live in a world with nifty slow mo scenes so it wouldn't be all bad.
A. Kinda like comunism where everybody is happy to work for free and just be given food and houseing and has no need for capitalist items like TV and computers.
This will never happen as we are all too gready.
B. We become so industrial that we do not need to work. In the example given at the start of this topic the only problem was man power. What if it was all done by machines. What if the machines brake down? Well you have machines to fix them and these machines can also fix themselfs.
This would be the ultimate world in which you could do what you wanted. There would be no shortage of anything. No one would want to have 20 loafs of bread as they could just pop back to the suppermarket the next day and get more food.
The only problem with this idea is that we could end up in a Matrix situation where the computers take over but the we would live in a world with nifty slow mo scenes so it wouldn't be all bad.
Stranger In Paradise wrote:
Er, you
> dont leave your doors open, because the security services will be
> watching you, and you're not afraid - unless you happen to slightly
> disagree with the smallest thing or say something slightly bad about
> someone in charge - and you do work for each other because if you
> don't then its bad for the country and if you complain that your
> working conditions are bad, or set up a union, well its been nice
> knowing you !
What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say! You seem to have no grasp of the very basic principals of Communism.
Communism is based on the theory that society would eventually be run by local orgnisations (like the old Russian Soviets) and the state would 'wither away' after the facade of the capitalist order had been torn down.
This would mean true freedom of expression. Try looking in the works of the founding Communist theorists for plans to use the state to oppress the people.
You are confusing Communism with the states like the Russia and China who call themselves Communists. Lenninsm/Stalinsm is very far removed from the writings of Marx etc and could not reasonably be called Communists in any objective way.
The Nazis were so-called as the party name was the National Social Democratic Party. That did not stop them being a far-right wing, militaristic organisation. Hitler calling himself a social democrat does not make him one. Similarly, Stalin was not a communist in anything but name.
So, please do not tar everything with one very stereotypical and ill-informed brush. I would not criticize David Steel (the leader of our old SDP and a moderate politician), or Paddy Ashdown for being a racist warmonger just because Hitler also called himself a social democrat.
Communism is a lovely utopian idea which would not work for a number of very good reasons. But not for the predjudiced and narrow-minded reasons you think.
Er, you
> dont leave your doors open, because the security services will be
> watching you, and you're not afraid - unless you happen to slightly
> disagree with the smallest thing or say something slightly bad about
> someone in charge - and you do work for each other because if you
> don't then its bad for the country and if you complain that your
> working conditions are bad, or set up a union, well its been nice
> knowing you !
What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say! You seem to have no grasp of the very basic principals of Communism.
Communism is based on the theory that society would eventually be run by local orgnisations (like the old Russian Soviets) and the state would 'wither away' after the facade of the capitalist order had been torn down.
This would mean true freedom of expression. Try looking in the works of the founding Communist theorists for plans to use the state to oppress the people.
You are confusing Communism with the states like the Russia and China who call themselves Communists. Lenninsm/Stalinsm is very far removed from the writings of Marx etc and could not reasonably be called Communists in any objective way.
The Nazis were so-called as the party name was the National Social Democratic Party. That did not stop them being a far-right wing, militaristic organisation. Hitler calling himself a social democrat does not make him one. Similarly, Stalin was not a communist in anything but name.
So, please do not tar everything with one very stereotypical and ill-informed brush. I would not criticize David Steel (the leader of our old SDP and a moderate politician), or Paddy Ashdown for being a racist warmonger just because Hitler also called himself a social democrat.
Communism is a lovely utopian idea which would not work for a number of very good reasons. But not for the predjudiced and narrow-minded reasons you think.
I saw a similar claim on the FAS site, but slightly different. To get this economy China will have to expand....into Russia or Taiwan. If that happens then its not just the 'yanks' which should be scared ! Without expanding China faces a future of diminishing natural resources, overcrowding and over pollution. If an invasion of Taiwan comes to pass then the US and its allies, including the UK, will have no choice but to go to war.
Whats Star Wars for ? The day Iraq/Iran/ other sundry rogue states/ try to threaten free nations. In the Chinese case its in all our interests that Taiwan remain as it is - unless you want to see computer components rise to sky high prices.
>The Godfather wrote:
>Personally I would really like a communis6t world. We >everyone cannleave there doors open, unafraid of anything >and working for each other.
Er, you dont leave your doors open, because the security services will be watching you, and you're not afraid - unless you happen to slightly disagree with the smallest thing or say something slightly bad about someone in charge - and you do work for each other because if you don't then its bad for the country and if you complain that your working conditions are bad, or set up a union, well its been nice knowing you !
Its seems to me really bad that finally the Cold War is over, we didnt all die in a nuclear holocaust, thousands of men and women all over the world gave their lives to stop communism. If its that good why were NATO and the US prepared to do so much to stop it ? We all sit here now, with freedom, relatively minor censorship, cars, computers, mobiles e.t.c and its easy to idealise another system. I guess its easy to forget how much we have until we lose it eh ?
Whats Star Wars for ? The day Iraq/Iran/ other sundry rogue states/ try to threaten free nations. In the Chinese case its in all our interests that Taiwan remain as it is - unless you want to see computer components rise to sky high prices.
>The Godfather wrote:
>Personally I would really like a communis6t world. We >everyone cannleave there doors open, unafraid of anything >and working for each other.
Er, you dont leave your doors open, because the security services will be watching you, and you're not afraid - unless you happen to slightly disagree with the smallest thing or say something slightly bad about someone in charge - and you do work for each other because if you don't then its bad for the country and if you complain that your working conditions are bad, or set up a union, well its been nice knowing you !
Its seems to me really bad that finally the Cold War is over, we didnt all die in a nuclear holocaust, thousands of men and women all over the world gave their lives to stop communism. If its that good why were NATO and the US prepared to do so much to stop it ? We all sit here now, with freedom, relatively minor censorship, cars, computers, mobiles e.t.c and its easy to idealise another system. I guess its easy to forget how much we have until we lose it eh ?
Why communism won't work:
1) We are lazy
2) We are greedy
3) We've been spoonfed capitalism for the pass hundred years (thanks to the industrilization.)
Personally I would really like a communis6t world. We everyone cannleave there doors open, unafraid of anything and working for each other. But right now, it's not possible. If you tell everyone that they have to work but get squat they'll think, ummm ok I'll be an footballer, doing absolutely nothing, or ok, I'll be incharge of the local multiplex, sitting on my butt doing nothing.
It nearly worked in Russia, but then bang.
But look at China, in 2020, it's been predicted that China will have a greater economy than the US. Oh that should scare the Yank.
Hang on a minute. Why did the US accidently bomb the Chinese Embassy during operation Desert Fox a couple of years ago. Ummmmmm, that's weird. And, and, and what about the Spy plane incident? Oh what could this mean. (excuse tha sarcasm) Is it all a coincident or are the Us planning something. Oh, ok something else. I wonder what the Son of Star Wars Defence System is for??????? Hmmmmmm.
I've totally lost my point but it is interesting. Politic. But one thing annoys me. There are no stages in politic. What I mean is that people sometimes consider that if you left wing you want to have this or that and if your far left it's more extreme. That's not the case politics is too confusing, you could be far left and refuse the Euro.
I'm quite a socialist but I'm still not sure about the Euro.
Capitalism seems to be of just face value. They talk about equal rights but it's just an excuse to make the rich richeer and the poor poorer. So basically the Capitalist view is that you need the Calvin Klien stomach, live in a middle class home with the white picket fence and have a wife and 2.4 children.You own a Jaguar you've saved up and work for Microsoft after you've been to college and Uni. Wake up at 7:00 but refuse to get up till 7:15. Cornflakes, a kiss from the family and off to work. Come back was Eastenders and Frasier. Some sex and of to bed.
What a load of crap
1) We are lazy
2) We are greedy
3) We've been spoonfed capitalism for the pass hundred years (thanks to the industrilization.)
Personally I would really like a communis6t world. We everyone cannleave there doors open, unafraid of anything and working for each other. But right now, it's not possible. If you tell everyone that they have to work but get squat they'll think, ummm ok I'll be an footballer, doing absolutely nothing, or ok, I'll be incharge of the local multiplex, sitting on my butt doing nothing.
It nearly worked in Russia, but then bang.
But look at China, in 2020, it's been predicted that China will have a greater economy than the US. Oh that should scare the Yank.
Hang on a minute. Why did the US accidently bomb the Chinese Embassy during operation Desert Fox a couple of years ago. Ummmmmm, that's weird. And, and, and what about the Spy plane incident? Oh what could this mean. (excuse tha sarcasm) Is it all a coincident or are the Us planning something. Oh, ok something else. I wonder what the Son of Star Wars Defence System is for??????? Hmmmmmm.
I've totally lost my point but it is interesting. Politic. But one thing annoys me. There are no stages in politic. What I mean is that people sometimes consider that if you left wing you want to have this or that and if your far left it's more extreme. That's not the case politics is too confusing, you could be far left and refuse the Euro.
I'm quite a socialist but I'm still not sure about the Euro.
Capitalism seems to be of just face value. They talk about equal rights but it's just an excuse to make the rich richeer and the poor poorer. So basically the Capitalist view is that you need the Calvin Klien stomach, live in a middle class home with the white picket fence and have a wife and 2.4 children.You own a Jaguar you've saved up and work for Microsoft after you've been to college and Uni. Wake up at 7:00 but refuse to get up till 7:15. Cornflakes, a kiss from the family and off to work. Come back was Eastenders and Frasier. Some sex and of to bed.
What a load of crap
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