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At present all 'offenders' have their human rights protected by European and UK law.
For those who have taken away other people's human rights in abuse, murder or other serious offences, is this right?
There are several arguements for and against which constantly crop up in these sort of discussions:
FOR Human Rights
If we act as the offender has acted then we are as bad as the offender. Likewise, a death penalty would condone killing for a murderer.
It doesn't matter if the offence is serious or not, all prisoners should be treated the same and there is always the chance that they have been wrongly convicted.
AGAINST Human Rights
If prison is not harsh enough then offenders will not have a reason to stop offending, they know that they are going to somewhere that will be comfortable and guarantee a hot meal. In fact, some may offend just to get in to prison and provide a better life.
The grey area:
The biggest grey area here is probably the mental, and to some extents the physical status of the offender. Should we look closer at where they are 'in their right mind' and then what should happen to those serious offenders who are a danger or (even more of a grey area) may later provide a danger to the public.
For those who have taken away other people's human rights in abuse, murder or other serious offences, is this right?
There are several arguements for and against which constantly crop up in these sort of discussions:
FOR Human Rights
If we act as the offender has acted then we are as bad as the offender. Likewise, a death penalty would condone killing for a murderer.
It doesn't matter if the offence is serious or not, all prisoners should be treated the same and there is always the chance that they have been wrongly convicted.
AGAINST Human Rights
If prison is not harsh enough then offenders will not have a reason to stop offending, they know that they are going to somewhere that will be comfortable and guarantee a hot meal. In fact, some may offend just to get in to prison and provide a better life.
The grey area:
The biggest grey area here is probably the mental, and to some extents the physical status of the offender. Should we look closer at where they are 'in their right mind' and then what should happen to those serious offenders who are a danger or (even more of a grey area) may later provide a danger to the public.
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If what I've seen on various TV documentaries is right, it may be cheaper to pay the Thaiwanese (or is it Thailand...I may be mixing the two) governments to build some extra prisons to their standards and deport criminals to them.
For I remember seeing that they have very basic facilities, including sharing a large bucket as a toilet which they have to empty and clean themselves...
May not be that sanitary, but then, we are talking about those who didn't care about the things people normally take for granted when they took them away from others by murdering, raping, stealing, scarring and scaring for life.
I bet they're not as clean as the 'Bridget Jones Diary' prison experience either...
For I remember seeing that they have very basic facilities, including sharing a large bucket as a toilet which they have to empty and clean themselves...
May not be that sanitary, but then, we are talking about those who didn't care about the things people normally take for granted when they took them away from others by murdering, raping, stealing, scarring and scaring for life.
I bet they're not as clean as the 'Bridget Jones Diary' prison experience either...
Ineedsleep wrote:
> There aren't that many people on death row if taken as a
> percentage of the overall prison figures. Being put on death row
> isn't a deterent and there are only so many executions carried
> out each year because of all the appeals that are filed.
It's true, it's only a fraction that are on death row. I guess my overall opinion is that I wouldn't oppose the death penalty if it was re-introduced. To be honest, it wouldn't really have any impact on my life.
Perhaps it wouldn't act as a deterrent for most criminals, but it would help keep me in line (although I don't actually cross the line in the first place).
@Chris, certainly fully support your point about life meaning life. Other than death penalty cases where it is actually happening, basic living facilities only (i.e. a room and a bucket).
I think Butch is right, I think I do sound like I am becoming more of a supervillain each day!
> There aren't that many people on death row if taken as a
> percentage of the overall prison figures. Being put on death row
> isn't a deterent and there are only so many executions carried
> out each year because of all the appeals that are filed.
It's true, it's only a fraction that are on death row. I guess my overall opinion is that I wouldn't oppose the death penalty if it was re-introduced. To be honest, it wouldn't really have any impact on my life.
Perhaps it wouldn't act as a deterrent for most criminals, but it would help keep me in line (although I don't actually cross the line in the first place).
@Chris, certainly fully support your point about life meaning life. Other than death penalty cases where it is actually happening, basic living facilities only (i.e. a room and a bucket).
I think Butch is right, I think I do sound like I am becoming more of a supervillain each day!
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