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Around in the fifties, though really exploding onto the scene in the Sixties, there have always been ‘Bubble-Gum’ pop groups.
Though the template for the manufactured group is often attributed to ‘the Monkeys’ with their infamous ‘Looking for 4 Crazy Guys’ newspaper ad. There had, for a long time prior to the first appearance of those musical apes been many, many groups whose music, image, action, had been conceived and controlled by a music companies producer.
These two aspects (Bubble Gum Groups and Hard-Marketing) are often singled out as the two greatest evils in the current state of music. Masterminded, over-seen and controlled by the all consuming evil of the Multinationals of the Music Industry… Fabrication trends, making (and breaking) groups, almost abusive and brainwashing marketing techniques, all in the name of capitalism…
Then again…
Through these hard marketing techniques, pop music has become a standard entity within our everyday lives, our culture. The British and Northern American cultures especially…. Its near-constant presence is noticeably absent in many of the worlds other nations, even throughout our neighborouring cousins in Europe.
This situation can be further illustrated by the dominating presence of the majority of the music industry being based in the US and the UK.
It also allows for an almost impossibly wide range of fabricated pop groups to consistently sell themselves, their brand name soft drink, clothes, crisps, pretty much anything, and everything. With over sexed teenage girls, and clean-cut a-sexual males bestriding our screens with cheesy dance routines, miming to either re-hashed pop favourites, of badly written new tunes. So similar are these groups, that should an interchange of members occur, probably no one would notice, not least they’re young teen and pre-teen following.
Although, there is a reason for me typing this (other than slagging off the music industry, which is always fun)
It is exactly because of the enormity of the industry, fuelled though it is by the popular music of today, that other styles of music are able to flourish.
Now, I’m talking about pretty much every other form of music here, although there are some exceptions.
Though, I am purposely ignoring the currently trendy ‘alternative’ music (I think Nu-Metal fits in here) which is, itself, though a lesser evil than standard/’pure’ pop, is just as driven by marketing, controlled just as much by industry execs, and is more dangerous in that fans often consider themselves to have a better taste in music, to be more of a connoisseur… NOT listening to POP… which makes them much easier targets (none so blind and all)
I am talking about pretty much all music, I’m going to refer, primarily to that music which has ‘cult’ following, which is small enough to be unknown to the Pepsi Chart watchers, but big enough to be known by people in Glasgow, and London. Including that American band no one else has heard of but are fantastic and have their own sound. Exactly the music buffs like to talk about… the music people who complain about pop music revere… This music is around ONLY because of pop music, only because Britney Spears, Hear Say and Spice Girls sell well…
Where I’m coming fro, is that the size, of the music industry is so large that an enormous variety of tastes can be accounted for. That band in America that no-one else has heard of, only found its way over here, through a friend, who read a mag, or picked it up on his visit to the states last year, is only known because of the scale of the industry, its intention to make money from anything is the only reason you could pick up their album in the local record shop franchise.
For a small band to be able to tour, and known by a select few from lands end to John’o’Groats, can do this only because of the popularity of music to the populous, and its ever present snappy jingle based sound which we are subjected to from before our birth.
It’s because of the all-encompassing music industry, which creates a demand for music by the masses, a desire for others to create music.
If the industry wasn’t around, a far fewer number of artists could afford to present themselves on a level greater than locally or Countywide. Only the mass popularity music could afford to be heard across the UK. With only THE (read Britney, N’Sync) most popular bands being able to be big on both sides of the Atlantic.
There would be FAR fewer bands, even fewer that had influence by musicians who sold few albums, but affected many.
Anyone disagree?
Though the template for the manufactured group is often attributed to ‘the Monkeys’ with their infamous ‘Looking for 4 Crazy Guys’ newspaper ad. There had, for a long time prior to the first appearance of those musical apes been many, many groups whose music, image, action, had been conceived and controlled by a music companies producer.
These two aspects (Bubble Gum Groups and Hard-Marketing) are often singled out as the two greatest evils in the current state of music. Masterminded, over-seen and controlled by the all consuming evil of the Multinationals of the Music Industry… Fabrication trends, making (and breaking) groups, almost abusive and brainwashing marketing techniques, all in the name of capitalism…
Then again…
Through these hard marketing techniques, pop music has become a standard entity within our everyday lives, our culture. The British and Northern American cultures especially…. Its near-constant presence is noticeably absent in many of the worlds other nations, even throughout our neighborouring cousins in Europe.
This situation can be further illustrated by the dominating presence of the majority of the music industry being based in the US and the UK.
It also allows for an almost impossibly wide range of fabricated pop groups to consistently sell themselves, their brand name soft drink, clothes, crisps, pretty much anything, and everything. With over sexed teenage girls, and clean-cut a-sexual males bestriding our screens with cheesy dance routines, miming to either re-hashed pop favourites, of badly written new tunes. So similar are these groups, that should an interchange of members occur, probably no one would notice, not least they’re young teen and pre-teen following.
Although, there is a reason for me typing this (other than slagging off the music industry, which is always fun)
It is exactly because of the enormity of the industry, fuelled though it is by the popular music of today, that other styles of music are able to flourish.
Now, I’m talking about pretty much every other form of music here, although there are some exceptions.
Though, I am purposely ignoring the currently trendy ‘alternative’ music (I think Nu-Metal fits in here) which is, itself, though a lesser evil than standard/’pure’ pop, is just as driven by marketing, controlled just as much by industry execs, and is more dangerous in that fans often consider themselves to have a better taste in music, to be more of a connoisseur… NOT listening to POP… which makes them much easier targets (none so blind and all)
I am talking about pretty much all music, I’m going to refer, primarily to that music which has ‘cult’ following, which is small enough to be unknown to the Pepsi Chart watchers, but big enough to be known by people in Glasgow, and London. Including that American band no one else has heard of but are fantastic and have their own sound. Exactly the music buffs like to talk about… the music people who complain about pop music revere… This music is around ONLY because of pop music, only because Britney Spears, Hear Say and Spice Girls sell well…
Where I’m coming fro, is that the size, of the music industry is so large that an enormous variety of tastes can be accounted for. That band in America that no-one else has heard of, only found its way over here, through a friend, who read a mag, or picked it up on his visit to the states last year, is only known because of the scale of the industry, its intention to make money from anything is the only reason you could pick up their album in the local record shop franchise.
For a small band to be able to tour, and known by a select few from lands end to John’o’Groats, can do this only because of the popularity of music to the populous, and its ever present snappy jingle based sound which we are subjected to from before our birth.
It’s because of the all-encompassing music industry, which creates a demand for music by the masses, a desire for others to create music.
If the industry wasn’t around, a far fewer number of artists could afford to present themselves on a level greater than locally or Countywide. Only the mass popularity music could afford to be heard across the UK. With only THE (read Britney, N’Sync) most popular bands being able to be big on both sides of the Atlantic.
There would be FAR fewer bands, even fewer that had influence by musicians who sold few albums, but affected many.
Anyone disagree?
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Filmaday and Gameaday
Each day one post is chosen as "the standout post" and awarded either a free game or DVD up to the value of £20.
Go to the filmaday and gameaday sections on this site (left hand side, blue menu and it explains everything)
Peace
Goatboy
Each day one post is chosen as "the standout post" and awarded either a free game or DVD up to the value of £20.
Go to the filmaday and gameaday sections on this site (left hand side, blue menu and it explains everything)
Peace
Goatboy
Ermmmm... SORRY then. I fell a tad silly really... bit of an confusion really, and I don't really understand the filmaday thing either...
Goodness, its like an episode of 30 Somethings.
Goodness, its like an episode of 30 Somethings.
asrogktjusaetg wrote:
> Primarily, you have nothing to do with this post/discussion and seem
> just to be continuing your silly wee vendetta against me - may I add
> unprovoked.
No. Shanks and I had spent an afternoon discussing what we felt was the social ramifications of music, many posts swapping viewpoints etc.
You waded in and labelled us "pretentious" and other derogatory comments, uncalled for.
Secondly, it's rather apparent that me and Shanks
> finished up on friendly terms and that the idea of a
> "winner" hadn't come into anyone's head (as I'm sure it
> rarely does in grown up conversation).
He won. He won Filmaday and I congratulated him.
It wasn't a Zen attempt at meaning or a childish "Ha ha, he's better than you".
He won the competition for that day with a damn good series of posts.
In the other threads, I've not said anything inflammatory towards you, I have no desire to pursue a pointless flame war, we're all here to swap opinions.
But the initial tones of your posts were not needed, reeking as they did of smug superiority and "I'm the best/I'm a DJ, I broadcast alternative records therefore my opinion is worth more than you people".
Everyone here is on an equal level mate, nobody likes someone strutting around and talking down to people,especially well respected regulars like Shanks and Bonus.
This is boring, I can't be bothered to explain myself to you, there's no need.
Relax and enjoy these forums dude, no offence meant.
> Primarily, you have nothing to do with this post/discussion and seem
> just to be continuing your silly wee vendetta against me - may I add
> unprovoked.
No. Shanks and I had spent an afternoon discussing what we felt was the social ramifications of music, many posts swapping viewpoints etc.
You waded in and labelled us "pretentious" and other derogatory comments, uncalled for.
Secondly, it's rather apparent that me and Shanks
> finished up on friendly terms and that the idea of a
> "winner" hadn't come into anyone's head (as I'm sure it
> rarely does in grown up conversation).
He won. He won Filmaday and I congratulated him.
It wasn't a Zen attempt at meaning or a childish "Ha ha, he's better than you".
He won the competition for that day with a damn good series of posts.
In the other threads, I've not said anything inflammatory towards you, I have no desire to pursue a pointless flame war, we're all here to swap opinions.
But the initial tones of your posts were not needed, reeking as they did of smug superiority and "I'm the best/I'm a DJ, I broadcast alternative records therefore my opinion is worth more than you people".
Everyone here is on an equal level mate, nobody likes someone strutting around and talking down to people,especially well respected regulars like Shanks and Bonus.
This is boring, I can't be bothered to explain myself to you, there's no need.
Relax and enjoy these forums dude, no offence meant.
He won "Filmaday" you tool.
Won? I just can't believe someone would be that pathetic. Primarily, you have nothing to do with this post/discussion and seem just to be continuing your silly wee vendetta against me - may I add unprovoked. Secondly, it's rather apparent that me and Shanks finished up on friendly terms and that the idea of a "winner" hadn't come into anyone's head (as I'm sure it rarely does in grown up conversation).
I'm just totally taken aback by your pathetic pettiness and attempts to get the boot in.
I'm just totally taken aback by your pathetic pettiness and attempts to get the boot in.
Oh shut up.
Don't try and be witty when you have no clue what's going on.
Shanks won for this post. I feel that this was a most deserving win.
Go be superior and aloof where someone gives a toss.
Don't try and be witty when you have no clue what's going on.
Shanks won for this post. I feel that this was a most deserving win.
Go be superior and aloof where someone gives a toss.
"win"? Am I missing something here? I can't imagine you'd be so petty as to mean it like it seems... would also require the leap of logic in that you seeing two people agreeing somehow infers that one has "won".
Damn good win Shanks.
*claps hands*
I will still beat you like a naughty puppy for making me admit I love Phil Collins
*claps hands*
I will still beat you like a naughty puppy for making me admit I love Phil Collins
asrogktjusaetg wrote:
> Shanks - I was attempting to agree with you in the main - the
> "masses are a$$es" thing was thrown in as it is the sort
> of thing people would usually use to disregard what I was
> saying...
Okay, I was trying to do two things at once, not very
> successfully evidently. Thats what happens when I stick a laptop
> onto my console at work. Not only does it keep slipping and
> "tweaking" mixers but means I type and speak rubbish at
> the same time (a little valued skill).
ahhh... no worries man... its probably my fault for mis-reading the post... :)
> Shanks - I was attempting to agree with you in the main - the
> "masses are a$$es" thing was thrown in as it is the sort
> of thing people would usually use to disregard what I was
> saying...
Okay, I was trying to do two things at once, not very
> successfully evidently. Thats what happens when I stick a laptop
> onto my console at work. Not only does it keep slipping and
> "tweaking" mixers but means I type and speak rubbish at
> the same time (a little valued skill).
ahhh... no worries man... its probably my fault for mis-reading the post... :)
Shanks - I was attempting to agree with you in the main - the "masses are a$$es" thing was thrown in as it is the sort of thing people would usually use to disregard what I was saying...
Okay, I was trying to do two things at once, not very successfully evidently. Thats what happens when I stick a laptop onto my console at work. Not only does it keep slipping and "tweaking" mixers but means I type and speak rubbish at the same time (a little valued skill).
Now I'm at home its all gold-dust baby... forget that I'm off to watch Big Brother and get some dinner :)
Okay, I was trying to do two things at once, not very successfully evidently. Thats what happens when I stick a laptop onto my console at work. Not only does it keep slipping and "tweaking" mixers but means I type and speak rubbish at the same time (a little valued skill).
Now I'm at home its all gold-dust baby... forget that I'm off to watch Big Brother and get some dinner :)
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