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Here follows a very simplified perspective:
It's difficult to understand how people now vote Tory. I assume the main cause is selfishness and a possible kneejerk reaction that's somehow carried on jerking for 30 years in some people.
There are so many reasons not to vote for them even as a protest vote.
1) They usually go on about lowering taxes. This is not always a great thing especially coming from a party that has run down the NHS and privatised off a lot of things that worked better before they were privatised.
2) Major privatisation (see 1)
3) Trust. They are the least trustworthy party, they haven't changed - underneath it's still the same party of crooks who'd sell their grandmother.
4) Backwards attitudes. Thankfully this appears to be costing them even more voters (even from their hardcore set) with their proposals to scrutinize foreign wives of british citizens.
5) They haven't changed (see 3). It's the same party underneath and (hopefully) no promise of taxcuts is going to persuade people to vote for a party that's caused many of the problem society still struggles with today.
6) Whatever Labour's mistakes you just know the Tories would have made worse ones. Labour's the lesser of two evils.
7) The Liberal Democrats are better for protest votes. They seem to be good caretakers and seem to make a good job of things (next to the other two anyway).
Anyway, these are obviously extremely simplified points, but I've made them in the interest of having a decent discussion.
It's difficult to understand how people now vote Tory. I assume the main cause is selfishness and a possible kneejerk reaction that's somehow carried on jerking for 30 years in some people.
There are so many reasons not to vote for them even as a protest vote.
1) They usually go on about lowering taxes. This is not always a great thing especially coming from a party that has run down the NHS and privatised off a lot of things that worked better before they were privatised.
2) Major privatisation (see 1)
3) Trust. They are the least trustworthy party, they haven't changed - underneath it's still the same party of crooks who'd sell their grandmother.
4) Backwards attitudes. Thankfully this appears to be costing them even more voters (even from their hardcore set) with their proposals to scrutinize foreign wives of british citizens.
5) They haven't changed (see 3). It's the same party underneath and (hopefully) no promise of taxcuts is going to persuade people to vote for a party that's caused many of the problem society still struggles with today.
6) Whatever Labour's mistakes you just know the Tories would have made worse ones. Labour's the lesser of two evils.
7) The Liberal Democrats are better for protest votes. They seem to be good caretakers and seem to make a good job of things (next to the other two anyway).
Anyway, these are obviously extremely simplified points, but I've made them in the interest of having a decent discussion.
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Here follows a very simplified perspective:
It's difficult to understand how people now vote Tory. I assume the main cause is selfishness and a possible kneejerk reaction that's somehow carried on jerking for 30 years in some people.
There are so many reasons not to vote for them even as a protest vote.
1) They usually go on about lowering taxes. This is not always a great thing especially coming from a party that has run down the NHS and privatised off a lot of things that worked better before they were privatised.
2) Major privatisation (see 1)
3) Trust. They are the least trustworthy party, they haven't changed - underneath it's still the same party of crooks who'd sell their grandmother.
4) Backwards attitudes. Thankfully this appears to be costing them even more voters (even from their hardcore set) with their proposals to scrutinize foreign wives of british citizens.
5) They haven't changed (see 3). It's the same party underneath and (hopefully) no promise of taxcuts is going to persuade people to vote for a party that's caused many of the problem society still struggles with today.
6) Whatever Labour's mistakes you just know the Tories would have made worse ones. Labour's the lesser of two evils.
7) The Liberal Democrats are better for protest votes. They seem to be good caretakers and seem to make a good job of things (next to the other two anyway).
Anyway, these are obviously extremely simplified points, but I've made them in the interest of having a decent discussion.
It's difficult to understand how people now vote Tory. I assume the main cause is selfishness and a possible kneejerk reaction that's somehow carried on jerking for 30 years in some people.
There are so many reasons not to vote for them even as a protest vote.
1) They usually go on about lowering taxes. This is not always a great thing especially coming from a party that has run down the NHS and privatised off a lot of things that worked better before they were privatised.
2) Major privatisation (see 1)
3) Trust. They are the least trustworthy party, they haven't changed - underneath it's still the same party of crooks who'd sell their grandmother.
4) Backwards attitudes. Thankfully this appears to be costing them even more voters (even from their hardcore set) with their proposals to scrutinize foreign wives of british citizens.
5) They haven't changed (see 3). It's the same party underneath and (hopefully) no promise of taxcuts is going to persuade people to vote for a party that's caused many of the problem society still struggles with today.
6) Whatever Labour's mistakes you just know the Tories would have made worse ones. Labour's the lesser of two evils.
7) The Liberal Democrats are better for protest votes. They seem to be good caretakers and seem to make a good job of things (next to the other two anyway).
Anyway, these are obviously extremely simplified points, but I've made them in the interest of having a decent discussion.
The lib dems seem to make a better job of things? When was the last time they actually had power to do something important?
Yeah I should've elaborated on that: I meant at a local council level. :)
I didn't mean they could 'caretake' the whole country :D
That would take too many mothballs anyway...
I didn't mean they could 'caretake' the whole country :D
That would take too many mothballs anyway...
I don't like the Lib Dems personally, they wanted to do something which I didn't like but at the minute I can't think what it is :-(
Get into power? :D
I know it's hard to imagine which why you've probably forgotten.
I know it's hard to imagine which why you've probably forgotten.
Wasn't it them who wanted the legal drinking age to be 21 whilst they wanted the gay sex age to be lowered to 14?
Sounds more like a focus group rather than a party line.
As a party line that's political suicide.
As a party line that's political suicide.
The Libdems are in power in Scotland aren't they? Or are they no longer part of a Labour Libdem coalition up there? I should really pay more attention to this kind of thing.
Anyway, another good reason not to vote Tory; their current leader avoided answering a simple question on Newsnight something like 15 times. That is still one of the greatest pieces of television in history...
Anyway, another good reason not to vote Tory; their current leader avoided answering a simple question on Newsnight something like 15 times. That is still one of the greatest pieces of television in history...
They're in coalition with Labour, the Scottish Parliament doesn't really do anything but use up lots of money.
However, the Lib Dems managed to avoid the student fees in England/Wales so good on them. Our system seems fair - they pay it just now and we pay them back over a few years when we get a job.
However, the Lib Dems managed to avoid the student fees in England/Wales so good on them. Our system seems fair - they pay it just now and we pay them back over a few years when we get a job.
One thing I saw on the TV the other day irritated me.
Michael Howard with a bunch of old people waving a "Keep Britain British" flag.
'Howard is pushing his 'immigrant' arguement is annoying as well. OK, there might quite a few people coming to Britain, but he is joining the Daily Mail's ferocious "ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE SCUM!!" campaign.
You so know he's secretly a big fat facist Nazi in disguise.
Michael Howard with a bunch of old people waving a "Keep Britain British" flag.
'Howard is pushing his 'immigrant' arguement is annoying as well. OK, there might quite a few people coming to Britain, but he is joining the Daily Mail's ferocious "ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE SCUM!!" campaign.
You so know he's secretly a big fat facist Nazi in disguise.
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