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Continental Landscapes Ltd.
[URL]http://www.continental-landscapes.co.uk/[/URL]
Quick rebuild in 2.5 days. Not too chuffed as had to compromise with a hybrid layout, but am chuffed that it's the first SQL/ASP site I've built (ASP Sux BTW). Given it the quick once over, all seems ok in FF0.9.3 and IE6.
[URL]http://www.continental-landscapes.co.uk/[/URL]
Quick rebuild in 2.5 days. Not too chuffed as had to compromise with a hybrid layout, but am chuffed that it's the first SQL/ASP site I've built (ASP Sux BTW). Given it the quick once over, all seems ok in FF0.9.3 and IE6.
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cjh wrote:
> Tyla wrote:
> May have worded that really badly!
>
> There's no may about it :)
>
> Something on the scale of that site though would have taken be weeks
> though, so nice job there. The only downside is that the top links
> take a second or two to pre-load before they swap - could you not
> have made the images transparent and altered the background colour
> with the :hover and :focus?
Origonally went with the ALA/Zeldman CSS rollover/Sprite swapping, but the font is a shi**y to get to work properly with no aliasing so transparency's look sh*te.
Annoyed that I gave in and went with the usual image/js approach, haven't used that in ages, especially when you discover a whitespace bug afterwards which requires you to place the whole thing on to one line of code becuase of Firefox!
There is a down side though to the CSS approach. Sometimes you can get flicker from the load/page change which is just as annoying as the js preload.
Image size could be smaller though which would help.
> Tyla wrote:
> May have worded that really badly!
>
> There's no may about it :)
>
> Something on the scale of that site though would have taken be weeks
> though, so nice job there. The only downside is that the top links
> take a second or two to pre-load before they swap - could you not
> have made the images transparent and altered the background colour
> with the :hover and :focus?
Origonally went with the ALA/Zeldman CSS rollover/Sprite swapping, but the font is a shi**y to get to work properly with no aliasing so transparency's look sh*te.
Annoyed that I gave in and went with the usual image/js approach, haven't used that in ages, especially when you discover a whitespace bug afterwards which requires you to place the whole thing on to one line of code becuase of Firefox!
There is a down side though to the CSS approach. Sometimes you can get flicker from the load/page change which is just as annoying as the js preload.
Image size could be smaller though which would help.
Tyla wrote:
> especially when you discover a whitespace
> bug afterwards which requires you to place the whole thing on to one
> line of code becuase of Firefox!
Is this bug listed anywhere? I'm sure I came across a whitespace bug a few weeks back - might be the same one.
> There is a down side though to the CSS approach. Sometimes you can
> get flicker from the load/page change which is just as annoying as
> the js preload.
Do you mean the one in IE? As I think that could be solved if you are willing to wrap the link in another element and place the non-rollover image on that.
> especially when you discover a whitespace
> bug afterwards which requires you to place the whole thing on to one
> line of code becuase of Firefox!
Is this bug listed anywhere? I'm sure I came across a whitespace bug a few weeks back - might be the same one.
> There is a down side though to the CSS approach. Sometimes you can
> get flicker from the load/page change which is just as annoying as
> the js preload.
Do you mean the one in IE? As I think that could be solved if you are willing to wrap the link in another element and place the non-rollover image on that.
cjh wrote:
> Is this bug listed anywhere? I'm sure I came across a whitespace bug
> a few weeks back - might be the same one.
There's a commong onw known in IE regarding TD's, but never come across a FF related one before.
> Do you mean the one in IE? As I think that could be solved if you are
> willing to wrap the link in another element and place the
> non-rollover image on that.
Oddly enough, There is a thread on the DO Forums about this which I was reading just now.
> Is this bug listed anywhere? I'm sure I came across a whitespace bug
> a few weeks back - might be the same one.
There's a commong onw known in IE regarding TD's, but never come across a FF related one before.
> Do you mean the one in IE? As I think that could be solved if you are
> willing to wrap the link in another element and place the
> non-rollover image on that.
Oddly enough, There is a thread on the DO Forums about this which I was reading just now.
I dont like ASP, its like PHP for losers.
I like your site design though. Its cool.
I like your site design though. Its cool.
Miserableman wrote:
> What are you, Tyla's personal critic? Do you sit on his right
> shoulder dressed in a devils costume or something? You seem to be
> spending a lot of time trying to find flaws in his websites, I hope
> there isn't one of you following me around.
>
> It's a couple of days work and it looks pretty swish, give the guy a
> break.
I guess the point is, Tyla is quite often willing to tear to pieces other people's work, no matter their experience or ability. Where as I don't agree with it, I think Hmmm...'s attitude of not giving Tyla a break is quite understandable in that light.
> What are you, Tyla's personal critic? Do you sit on his right
> shoulder dressed in a devils costume or something? You seem to be
> spending a lot of time trying to find flaws in his websites, I hope
> there isn't one of you following me around.
>
> It's a couple of days work and it looks pretty swish, give the guy a
> break.
I guess the point is, Tyla is quite often willing to tear to pieces other people's work, no matter their experience or ability. Where as I don't agree with it, I think Hmmm...'s attitude of not giving Tyla a break is quite understandable in that light.
I reckon that most criticism in this forum is given constructively. I posted my site for people to look at (and I will get round to finishing it soon - just as soon as freshers' week is over) and I was prepared for people to say it was cr@p. That's what criticism is.
Garin wrote:
> Miserableman wrote:
> What are you, Tyla's personal critic? Do you sit on his right
> shoulder dressed in a devils costume or something? You seem to be
> spending a lot of time trying to find flaws in his websites, I hope
> there isn't one of you following me around.
>
> It's a couple of days work and it looks pretty swish, give the guy a
> break.
>
> I guess the point is, Tyla is quite often willing to tear to pieces
> other people's work, no matter their experience or ability. Where as
> I don't agree with it, I think Hmmm...'s attitude of not giving Tyla
> a break is quite understandable in that light.
Nail on the Head! Garin
Young Tyla often comes across hollier than though with other peoples sites so I think it's only right that I spend the time to point out some home truths when I see them. All done resonably politely...
Take a look at continental-landscapes on the Way Back Machine (www.archive.org) and you will see that it's not exactly a New site - as Tyla did mention, but just some tweaking.
When people put up a hobby site obviously it would be out of order to critise but when a professional puts his site up for comment on this forum then I believe it's fair game.
PS Tyla - Not sure if this has been mentioned but on the Services page some of the Text links dissapear when you mouse-over...
I see from the code you're a MacroMedia fan, what happened to Notepad - "it's the only way to learn you know" ;¬)
> Miserableman wrote:
> What are you, Tyla's personal critic? Do you sit on his right
> shoulder dressed in a devils costume or something? You seem to be
> spending a lot of time trying to find flaws in his websites, I hope
> there isn't one of you following me around.
>
> It's a couple of days work and it looks pretty swish, give the guy a
> break.
>
> I guess the point is, Tyla is quite often willing to tear to pieces
> other people's work, no matter their experience or ability. Where as
> I don't agree with it, I think Hmmm...'s attitude of not giving Tyla
> a break is quite understandable in that light.
Nail on the Head! Garin
Young Tyla often comes across hollier than though with other peoples sites so I think it's only right that I spend the time to point out some home truths when I see them. All done resonably politely...
Take a look at continental-landscapes on the Way Back Machine (www.archive.org) and you will see that it's not exactly a New site - as Tyla did mention, but just some tweaking.
When people put up a hobby site obviously it would be out of order to critise but when a professional puts his site up for comment on this forum then I believe it's fair game.
PS Tyla - Not sure if this has been mentioned but on the Services page some of the Text links dissapear when you mouse-over...
I see from the code you're a MacroMedia fan, what happened to Notepad - "it's the only way to learn you know" ;¬)
Garin wrote:
> I guess the point is, Tyla is quite often willing to tear to pieces
> other people's work, no matter their experience or ability. Where as
> I don't agree with it, I think Hmmm...'s attitude of not giving Tyla
> a break is quite understandable in that light.
I have no issue with Hmmm...'s approach at all. At least he's providing feedback all be it, sometimes from a sarcastic point of view. I do however prefer "constructive" critisism, which is something I try to do myself, general flaming isn;t constructive, though can be funny some times.
Todays job... fix alt's, formatting and remove inline styles.
FWIW, this isn't the only forum I use for comments as cjh knows.
> I guess the point is, Tyla is quite often willing to tear to pieces
> other people's work, no matter their experience or ability. Where as
> I don't agree with it, I think Hmmm...'s attitude of not giving Tyla
> a break is quite understandable in that light.
I have no issue with Hmmm...'s approach at all. At least he's providing feedback all be it, sometimes from a sarcastic point of view. I do however prefer "constructive" critisism, which is something I try to do myself, general flaming isn;t constructive, though can be funny some times.
Todays job... fix alt's, formatting and remove inline styles.
FWIW, this isn't the only forum I use for comments as cjh knows.
OK...
Fixed ALL Alt's
Fixed ALL titles
Fixed formatting on region.asp & vacancies.asp
Fixed tab display bug in main Navigation
Fixed link hover states
Fixed invalid closing tags on img, input and br (possibly missed one or two)
Removed inline styles
Navigation images re-optimized to 450 bytes each
Borough Council photos have dissappeared in to the ether. There's no record of them in the CMS, getting client to reload them.
That should be it.
Fixed ALL Alt's
Fixed ALL titles
Fixed formatting on region.asp & vacancies.asp
Fixed tab display bug in main Navigation
Fixed link hover states
Fixed invalid closing tags on img, input and br (possibly missed one or two)
Removed inline styles
Navigation images re-optimized to 450 bytes each
Borough Council photos have dissappeared in to the ether. There's no record of them in the CMS, getting client to reload them.
That should be it.
Just to let you know you've got 26 markup errors - and you seemed to have lost it with the links under the
SERVICES
heading - you've got wild numbers hanging outside of each href. Aside from that though, no problems from where I'm standing, looks good and appears easy to use.Page: