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So then...5 people are released without charge after having been held incommunicado for 2 years without charge. These men are entirely innocent. Not one charge is levelled against them, and no implication is made that they are anything other than men who were in the wrong place with the wrong skin colour at the wrong time. These men make it clear that they were tortured both physically and mentally by American troops whilst in Guantanamo Bay. These are not terrorists or soldiers remember; they're innocent men. Now aside from the standard claim of the mentally deficient on this board (which will doubtless be along the lines of "Ah, you're so naive if you think they're REALLY innocent"; christ, I sometimes think that if Bell ever saw The Crucible he'd be at a loss as to what the problem with the Salem witch trials actually was...), there is no evidence whatsoever to claim otherwise. So the Americans, as well as torturing men who may be Al-Quaida members, are torturing innocent people.
Remind me again; why are we fighting this "war on terror"? Surely the point was to stop terror. Seems to me that we're actually fighting for the right to terrorise nations of brown men and women whilst making sure they don't get uppity and help us to reap what we sow. Has anyone with half a brain in their head got any thoughts on this one?
Remind me again; why are we fighting this "war on terror"? Surely the point was to stop terror. Seems to me that we're actually fighting for the right to terrorise nations of brown men and women whilst making sure they don't get uppity and help us to reap what we sow. Has anyone with half a brain in their head got any thoughts on this one?
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See, now me being the paranoid lefty militant that I am?
I wondered about the accuracy of media claims that Al-Queda lay claim to the Spanish bombs on the exact day the media starts worldwide starts to report on the releasing and non-charging of these people.
Kind of bumps this story onto the middle section huh?
And, according to an interview on Newsnight last night, the editor of the newspaper that recieved this letter is sceptical about it's veracity seeing as he recieves the same letter for every explosion/plane crash regardless of current political clime.
So instead of the public being outraged at the detention and torture of innocent people held without charge?
We're all quaking with fear at Johnny Muslim and hey, if they can do that in Spain then surely it's worth keeping/beating innocent civilians just in case?
...yeah right.
Welcome to "The War on Terror". And the sequel will be "The War on Personal Freedom and Choice".
So don't question how this happened to innocent people, don't become angry at the treatment of completely innocent men.
Instead, be disgusted with Al-Queda and, by proxy, those being held at Guantanemo Bay.
Oh, and this is to those that have been most vocal in their support of the UK & US government during these times - you have to accept that these men are utterly devoid of any guilt whatsoever.
Or, if you don't believe they are innocent, then you have to accept the government got that wrong and, therefore, are just as susceptible in other areas.
I wondered about the accuracy of media claims that Al-Queda lay claim to the Spanish bombs on the exact day the media starts worldwide starts to report on the releasing and non-charging of these people.
Kind of bumps this story onto the middle section huh?
And, according to an interview on Newsnight last night, the editor of the newspaper that recieved this letter is sceptical about it's veracity seeing as he recieves the same letter for every explosion/plane crash regardless of current political clime.
So instead of the public being outraged at the detention and torture of innocent people held without charge?
We're all quaking with fear at Johnny Muslim and hey, if they can do that in Spain then surely it's worth keeping/beating innocent civilians just in case?
...yeah right.
Welcome to "The War on Terror". And the sequel will be "The War on Personal Freedom and Choice".
So don't question how this happened to innocent people, don't become angry at the treatment of completely innocent men.
Instead, be disgusted with Al-Queda and, by proxy, those being held at Guantanemo Bay.
Oh, and this is to those that have been most vocal in their support of the UK & US government during these times - you have to accept that these men are utterly devoid of any guilt whatsoever.
Or, if you don't believe they are innocent, then you have to accept the government got that wrong and, therefore, are just as susceptible in other areas.
monkey_man wrote:
> They should have handed them over to British custody straight away.
> Only goes to show how much America really valued our presence over in
> Afghanistan.
This i agree with.
> They should have handed them over to British custody straight away.
> Only goes to show how much America really valued our presence over in
> Afghanistan.
This i agree with.
Light wrote:
> Remind me again; why are we fighting this "war on terror"?
> Surely the point was to stop terror. Seems to me that we're actually
> fighting for the right to terrorise nations of brown men and women
> whilst making sure they don't get uppity and help us to reap what we
> sow. Has anyone with half a brain in their head got any thoughts on
> this one?
Well, to be fair to the Americans, since their 'War On Terror', there have been no more 9/11s. So, Terrorism might not be being destroyed, but, in the eyes of the US public, the 'War On Terror' must be doing something good.
> Remind me again; why are we fighting this "war on terror"?
> Surely the point was to stop terror. Seems to me that we're actually
> fighting for the right to terrorise nations of brown men and women
> whilst making sure they don't get uppity and help us to reap what we
> sow. Has anyone with half a brain in their head got any thoughts on
> this one?
Well, to be fair to the Americans, since their 'War On Terror', there have been no more 9/11s. So, Terrorism might not be being destroyed, but, in the eyes of the US public, the 'War On Terror' must be doing something good.
They should have handed them over to British custody straight away. Only goes to show how much America really valued our presence over in Afghanistan.
Apart from utter disgust that they haven't been released earlier, and utter disgust at the fact that American troops that tortured these people are not going to have chanrges leveled at them, no.
Sure they may [edit]noT[edit] be whiter than white (no racial slur intended) but whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?
Holding them for two years without trial hardly seems that.....
Sure they may [edit]noT[edit] be whiter than white (no racial slur intended) but whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?
Holding them for two years without trial hardly seems that.....
So then...5 people are released without charge after having been held incommunicado for 2 years without charge. These men are entirely innocent. Not one charge is levelled against them, and no implication is made that they are anything other than men who were in the wrong place with the wrong skin colour at the wrong time. These men make it clear that they were tortured both physically and mentally by American troops whilst in Guantanamo Bay. These are not terrorists or soldiers remember; they're innocent men. Now aside from the standard claim of the mentally deficient on this board (which will doubtless be along the lines of "Ah, you're so naive if you think they're REALLY innocent"; christ, I sometimes think that if Bell ever saw The Crucible he'd be at a loss as to what the problem with the Salem witch trials actually was...), there is no evidence whatsoever to claim otherwise. So the Americans, as well as torturing men who may be Al-Quaida members, are torturing innocent people.
Remind me again; why are we fighting this "war on terror"? Surely the point was to stop terror. Seems to me that we're actually fighting for the right to terrorise nations of brown men and women whilst making sure they don't get uppity and help us to reap what we sow. Has anyone with half a brain in their head got any thoughts on this one?
Remind me again; why are we fighting this "war on terror"? Surely the point was to stop terror. Seems to me that we're actually fighting for the right to terrorise nations of brown men and women whilst making sure they don't get uppity and help us to reap what we sow. Has anyone with half a brain in their head got any thoughts on this one?
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