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To all those who insist in following the Cult that is "evolution" here are yet more of the infinite flaws in the fairy tale. This is the side the evolutionist scientists of course don't tell you.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
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Forest Fan wrote:
> Lindgren wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Sin is undeniable, it is why murder is an issue today.
>
> Murder is a crime. I do not believe in sin, as do many others, what
> you see as sin, I see as either legal or illegal.
>
> Then how do you explain shame?
An act of conscience.
> Lindgren wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Sin is undeniable, it is why murder is an issue today.
>
> Murder is a crime. I do not believe in sin, as do many others, what
> you see as sin, I see as either legal or illegal.
>
> Then how do you explain shame?
An act of conscience.
And you follow the rules Jesus put down.
Or guidelines, whatever.
It's all different words for the same thing.
You're not even doing a very good job of following Jesus.
He was a nice bloke for the most part.
And Jesus is God, from your mouth, so you still follow God (and, therefore, the rules he set e.g. the 10 commandments) - so are religious.
And if you just followed Jesus, you wouldn't spout half the crap you do - about gays and the like. Because he never mentioned that - it's all written in the Bible before he even showed up.
And the Bible is only partly Jesus' story - if you're telling the truth you should only do what he's quoted as saying as right.
AND if you only follow Jesus - why do you keep blabbing about the Bible being "God's Word" then quoting + licking it most efficiently? Shouldn't you only follow Jesus' word?
You're obviously religous, whatever you say. Even if you hate religions.
Again - it's all just different words for the same stuff.
And as such, rather tedious.
Or guidelines, whatever.
It's all different words for the same thing.
You're not even doing a very good job of following Jesus.
He was a nice bloke for the most part.
And Jesus is God, from your mouth, so you still follow God (and, therefore, the rules he set e.g. the 10 commandments) - so are religious.
And if you just followed Jesus, you wouldn't spout half the crap you do - about gays and the like. Because he never mentioned that - it's all written in the Bible before he even showed up.
And the Bible is only partly Jesus' story - if you're telling the truth you should only do what he's quoted as saying as right.
AND if you only follow Jesus - why do you keep blabbing about the Bible being "God's Word" then quoting + licking it most efficiently? Shouldn't you only follow Jesus' word?
You're obviously religous, whatever you say. Even if you hate religions.
Again - it's all just different words for the same stuff.
And as such, rather tedious.
Edgy wrote:
> Christianity and the Jewish faith are religions. Are you telling me
> you have nothing to do with them?
Judaism is a religion, but I am only Jewish in BACKGROUND, not practising. Cleared that one up. Religion is when people attempt to write a set of rules to reach up to God, like when it originated with the Tower of Babel. Religion follows a set of rules, I follow one man; Jesus.
> Christianity and the Jewish faith are religions. Are you telling me
> you have nothing to do with them?
Judaism is a religion, but I am only Jewish in BACKGROUND, not practising. Cleared that one up. Religion is when people attempt to write a set of rules to reach up to God, like when it originated with the Tower of Babel. Religion follows a set of rules, I follow one man; Jesus.
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Again: what's up with that?
>
> "I'm a Christian / Jew. But I hate religion."
>
> Also - the shame thing, that's called a consious. Nothing to do with
> sin. Otherwise everyone who commited murder would feel shamed, and
> that's not the case.
I am Jewish in background. It is no different to me being White in background. It would be like being Arabic, it doesn't make you Muslim. In the same way I am Jewish and have accepted Jesus.
> Again: what's up with that?
>
> "I'm a Christian / Jew. But I hate religion."
>
> Also - the shame thing, that's called a consious. Nothing to do with
> sin. Otherwise everyone who commited murder would feel shamed, and
> that's not the case.
I am Jewish in background. It is no different to me being White in background. It would be like being Arabic, it doesn't make you Muslim. In the same way I am Jewish and have accepted Jesus.
Christianity and the Jewish faith are religions. Are you telling me you have nothing to do with them?
Again: what's up with that?
"I'm a Christian / Jew. But I hate religion."
Also - the shame thing, that's called a consious. Nothing to do with sin. Otherwise everyone who commited murder would feel shamed, and that's not the case.
"I'm a Christian / Jew. But I hate religion."
Also - the shame thing, that's called a consious. Nothing to do with sin. Otherwise everyone who commited murder would feel shamed, and that's not the case.
Edgy wrote:
> Sin is part of the Christian religion. If I do not believe in the
> Christian faith then I carry no sin.
>
> If I do something wrong, it will probably effect my concience, but I
> don't carry any burdens for anything I have done.
Religion? That doesn't involve me. Sin follows you for all eternity, if you want to shift those sins, accept the sacrifice of Jesus.
> Sin is part of the Christian religion. If I do not believe in the
> Christian faith then I carry no sin.
>
> If I do something wrong, it will probably effect my concience, but I
> don't carry any burdens for anything I have done.
Religion? That doesn't involve me. Sin follows you for all eternity, if you want to shift those sins, accept the sacrifice of Jesus.
Lindgren wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Sin is undeniable, it is why murder is an issue today.
>
> Murder is a crime. I do not believe in sin, as do many others, what
> you see as sin, I see as either legal or illegal.
Then how do you explain shame?
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Sin is undeniable, it is why murder is an issue today.
>
> Murder is a crime. I do not believe in sin, as do many others, what
> you see as sin, I see as either legal or illegal.
Then how do you explain shame?
Sin is part of the Christian religion. If I do not believe in the Christian faith then I carry no sin.
If I do something wrong, it will probably effect my concience, but I don't carry any burdens for anything I have done.
If I do something wrong, it will probably effect my concience, but I don't carry any burdens for anything I have done.
Forest Fan wrote:
> I do, but you do not have to as sin is undeniable.
Sin is only relevant if you beleive it to be. You can only deny someting if you beleive you have comited it in the first place.
I reccomend it's time you sought proper psychiatric help before I send my wife round to section you for your own safety.
> I do, but you do not have to as sin is undeniable.
Sin is only relevant if you beleive it to be. You can only deny someting if you beleive you have comited it in the first place.
I reccomend it's time you sought proper psychiatric help before I send my wife round to section you for your own safety.
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